Candace Owens investigates leaked Erika Kirk texts, Y Refi contracts, and the Brian Cole J6 pipe bomb case
Candace Owens hosts a solo episode of her podcast covering three interconnected investigations.
Summary
Leaked Telegram messages from Erika Kirk show her asking for a list of "big hitter" donors in the lead-up to a Mar-a-Lago fundraising event shortly after Charlie Kirk's assassination — a posture Candace argues undermines the grieving widow narrative. She then reveals two contracts between Y Refi — a student loan refinancing company she describes as shady — and Turning Point USA, including a $1.25 million addendum signed in July 2025 specifically for Charlie Kirk's fall campus tour, which she connects to a tip she received that Charlie was under financial pressure after Zionist donors pulled out. An expanded timeline links the Epstein situation room meetings, her own Epstein podcast series, Charlie Kirk's shifting stance on Israel, and the events leading up to his assassination at Utah Valley University. The episode also covers the case of Brian Cole Jr., a Black autistic man she argues was coerced into falsely confessing to planting the January 6th pipe bombs, drawing a striking parallel between the Scripps Media journalists who released obscure body camera footage in both the Tyler Robinson and Brian Cole cases.
Key Takeaways
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Erika Kirk's "Big Hitters" Telegram Messages
Candace Owens: Happy Thursday, everybody. I hope everybody tried out their heaven-focused excuse at work today, because how could you be expected to do anything or know anything at work if you're paranoid about getting into heaven? That's the way forward.
Anyway, the Vanity Fair writer certainly knew that Erika was a fraud. We know that she is a fraud. But in case you're still imagining that she is this hybrid Catholic-evangelical princess, I'm going to set you guys straight by showing you some text messages that Erika sent last year following her husband's death to the team.
In one fell swoop, we also received contracts that Turning Point USA signed back in 2025, which in my view confirm my general suspicion that Charlie's tour came together rather quickly and was perhaps because he was put under financial pressure. We're going to talk about that. We also have to discuss the other federal patsy story — Brian Cole Jr., a Black autistic man who was effectively tortured by the feds into taking responsibility for dropping off the pipe bombs on January 5th, the night before January 6th. And there's actually a very strange coincidence to his story that has something to do with Tyler Robinson's story. So let's jump right in.
Welcome back to Candace. Everybody grieves differently. That's why I want you guys to remember — some people grieve by thinking about how much money they can make through the art of grieving.
On Monday, it was confirmed by Vanity Fair that yes, Erika assumed her husband's position as CEO and chairman within 48 hours of his untimely death. That's really quick. And that's because — if Doug DeGroot is to be believed, board member Doug DeGroot, also financial adviser to Charlie and Erika — it's because the organization was immediately placed under pressure from journalists not to provide updates about the as-yet unlocated killer. Remember, that took 33 hours before they found Tyler Robinson. So you would think that if they were contacting public relations at Turning Point USA, they would want updates about that. But according to Doug DeGroot, the journalists were just pressuring them to know, within that crucial time frame, who's going to replace Charlie. We don't even care about the assassination. Who's going to replace him? Okay, Doug.
Not what I was told, actually. I fact-checked that with the person who was directly responsible for fielding the PR requests — the same person who had to write the death statement to hand over to the media. But apparently Doug DeGroot, the board member, would know better than her. We're going to just stick with Doug's story anyway. Let's stick with Doug's story that they saw this pressure from journalists and that's why they had to rush to name Erika.
Most of us assumed that when the announcement arrived, it was just meant to serve as a public morale boost. I was happy when I heard privately, and then a few days later they announced it publicly. We were just like, "Okay, great." Somebody in Charlie's life will take over this company. Nobody imagined that Erika was actually in the office. Nobody imagined that Erika was taking Zoom calls. Nobody imagined that she was announcing Turning Point 2.0, giggling on Zoom calls, celebrating how much money they had made at Charlie's memorial in merch sales — all within the first two weeks. And then we discovered that, and things felt very weird and wrong. We went back and tried to figure out what actually happened here, and that's not really it.
As we discussed her general mood in those weeks after Charlie's assassination, you will also recall they eventually made the terribly crass decision to encase Charlie's bloodied microphone as an emotional appeal to donors at their annual Mar-a-Lago event, also at AmFest. And by the way, regarding the Mar-a-Lago event — it worked. They allegedly raised $40 million at that event, in part due to things that were meant to pull at your heartstrings. Erika photographed next to the microphone, looking down, sad.
I just thought you guys should know that in the lead-up to that event — and this is because people at Turning Point USA are pretty disgusted and feeling lied to about a lot of things, especially now with the UVU independent review, they're realizing that they just weren't told the entire truth — I want you guys to know that in the lead-up to that Mar-a-Lago event, Erika was the CEO and she was communicating with the team via Telegram. And what she was interested in was knowing the names of a very specific kind of attendee to that Mar-a-Lago event: the extremely wealthy, offensively rich kind of attendees.
She put together a Telegram group entitled "Dominate 2.0." And I was so offended by this message that she sent out to them. She wrote: "Who are the big hitters that you guys have coming this weekend? Also, do we have good people coming on Sunday? I want a full list. Can I have a full list of donors that are coming this weekend so I can make notes?"
Erika was concerned with knowing who the heavy hitters were. First off, just describing donors as "big hitters" — something about that disturbs me. It makes the people on the internet who assess that her focus has been money since the very beginning look correct. It's not like, "Who are our biggest supporters? Who are the people at the top of the list in terms of supporting this organization?" It's: give me the heavy hitters. Who are the heavy hitters going to be here this weekend so I can get ready to cry?
And then Taylor Scornavacko responds. She's not calling them heavy hitters. She says: "We have some very strong people coming on Sunday. Lots of brand new six-figure donors." That seems more appropriate than referring to them as big hitters. And she says: "I will drop the full list here, sorted by MGO. MGOs, please go through and highlight and add notes to any names that Erika should key in on."
She wants those heavy hitters. I am just going to reinforce once again — we are done with the grieving widow narrative. It's over. It's ended. Nobody cares about the bot campaigns or the people that are paid to pretend that she's a grieving widow. You're all cancelled. You're all done.
I have to say, somewhere between "where are the heavy hitters?" and her sharing the final moments of her children with Andrew Wilson in text messages — with a slob like Andrew Wilson — you've lost the crowd. No one believes you anymore.
Y Refi Contracts and Charlie Kirk's Financial Pressure
Moving on from that. Last year, very early on in our investigation, I had received a tip from someone within the organization — while I was being attacked and gaslit for just asserting my experience having worked with Turning Point USA for years — that the tour came together quite unusually. And the person reached out to me and said, "No, you're on the money there."
I quite literally was on the money. I was expressing that even doing back-to-back Utah stops separated by ten days didn't make sense to me. Usually we would do a corridor in a sweep. So if you were going to do California, you'd do back-to-back-to-back so that you're not wasting travel time. Why would you want to travel to and fro to Utah if you could do them back-to-back? Especially because the universities are like 45 minutes apart.
Well, the person told me that Charlie had agreed to doing those stops because he was under a lot of pressure to make more money. Of course, we know what happened in July. You had these Zionist donors who were pulling out because of his shifting stance on Israel — a shifting stance that Turning Point USA still will not acknowledge, which is very strange. Everyone has acknowledged it. Even Vanity Fair — you could see it in Charlie's rhetoric. But they just keep pretending that wasn't happening.
When Bob Showman pulled millions — and he wasn't the only one who pulled millions, others did as well — Charlie was wanting to make up that money elsewhere. And I was told that the company Y Refi came in with a ton of extra money, and in this nice offer to make up some of the lost revenue. That person also said to me — and I'm going to say allegedly here — that they were given a say as to where Charlie's tour stops would be. Now, we can't confirm that they were given a say, because at that time we didn't have anything concrete to back up that assertion.
Fortunately, the UVU independent review has further disgusted many employees working at Turning Point USA who feel that we stood by you, we hated Candace for you, and now you have been caught lying. And while I still cannot demonstrate that Y Refi hand-selected Utah Valley University — there is actually no evidence for that outside of hearsay — what I can certainly confirm now is that they did come in with an addendum to their pre-existing 2025 contract. They came in in July, and the numbers are staggering.
So first, let's back up. Who is Y Refi? Well, if you ask the employees at Turning Point USA — past and current, and I have had those conversations with them — they will tell you that they are just shady in general. They came in as a massive sponsor for Turning Point USA in 2024, right after Candace stopped touring with Charlie Kirk and when things just started changing. And they, according to Turning Point USA employees, have a lot of conflicts of interest.
For example, Turning Point USA's sponsorship lead is Dylan Ericson. He was once an employee of Turning Point USA. They say now he's a contractor — I'll say allegedly. But he's also employed or paid by Y Refi. So that would be a conflict of interest. There's a lot of that going on at Turning Point USA. I am actually going to create a chart for you showing how everyone's got their hand in the cookie jar several different ways, working for different companies and LLCs where the incentives are conflicting.
Dylan also runs an influencer management company — the one that flew out all of the pro-Israel influencers to the Hamptons that one ill-fated weekend. And like I said, there's just a lot of that throughout the organization.
But let's stay focused on Y Refi. Turning Point employees, past and present, say they don't really understand how Y Refi makes any money. They also don't really understand the relationship that they have with Turning Point USA. Apparently they have a lot of contracts, but they don't ever really pay up — I'm going to say allegedly, because I can't confirm that. But they have a lot of money.
Officially, Y Refi is a student loan refinancing company that is run by CEO Lane Shonberger. You will note that Lane Shonberger and his daughter and Dylan Ericson were all at UVU on the day of Charlie's assassination. They flew in together.
And it looks like it's not just the employees who say it's a shady company, because a few months ago mainstream media picked up on this and began covering Y Refi as well. Check out this headline — this is in the Daily Mail, and it was also covered in the UK International Business Times. The headline is: "Shady student loan refinance company accused of paying Turning Point USA for speaking slots so that it can pitch to college kids. 'The biggest regret of my life.'"
In the article, we learn that it reads: "A student loan refinancing company with a documented history of misleading investment claims has been paying Turning Point USA for coveted speaking slots at its campus events so that it can pitch its controversial lending and investment options to college kids and their families. Y Refi last year faced $750,000 in state sanctions in a settlement of accusations of deceptive marketing and investment materials aimed at private funders who bankroll its refinancing of distressed and defaulted college loans. The company did not admit or deny the accusations. Watchdogs are sounding the alarm that its sponsorship deal with Turning Point has turned the late Charlie Kirk's nonprofit into a platform for what they say are potentially misleading financial deals."
"This is a shady company," warns Alan Collinge, founder of Student Loan Justice, a consumer protection group. He continues: "Charlie Kirk promoted fiscal responsibility. It's very ironic that his group would be working with a company that has been caught deceiving investors."
Turning Point has refused to comment for this story. I should say Turning Point 2.0 never comments for a story. They're always up to it. There's always this stuff circulating. This is 2.0, just so you know. This is Dominate 2.0. And how do you dominate? Just by being shady, I think. Not answering any questions.
Anyway, it goes on to tell us that Y Refi co-founder Lane Shonberger told them his company has made changes to its investment marketing materials and has put to bed potentially $2.1 million in regulatory woes that it had in Massachusetts in 2025. He founded the company with Dennis Fostermaker in 2017.
I also want to consider this company in the larger picture of me having explained to you that Charlie noticed that money was missing at Turning Point USA — that there was trouble specifically with Turning Point Action. Turning Point has declined those claims, but the claims came from Turning Point. So you know whose narrative you're going to believe. I'm going to go with the people that say money was missing. I don't believe that Charlie established a DOGE for no reason seven days before he died. It just doesn't pass the sniff test for me that he just did that for no reason. I think money was missing.
But anyway, I want you to now take a look at CEO Lane Shonberger's contract with Turning Point USA. There are going to be two that we're going to show you.
Breaking Down the Y Refi Contracts
The first was signed in February of 2025. They sign a contract, and I want you to note that it's a very detailed contract which covers events all the way through to February of 2026. The contract is for a total of $2.25 million for the following. It says: "Y Refi shall pay TPUSA a total of $2.25 million for the benefits outlined below. The organization will pay TPUSA using the options sent separately. Invoice will be sent upon request."
Now, it tells us the payment due dates. If you actually total the payments, you might notice that it's actually $2.479 million — so $2.47 million. Maybe they're rolling over from the previous year. I don't know. It seems weird if they are, because the contract says explicitly that all previous contracts are voided and canceled. So this should represent everything. Could be a mistake, could be an oversight. I'm not going to be the person doing a deep dive or auditing the finances.
Anyway, here are the benefits of the contract. They are able to sponsor the Winter Gala — they get a platinum table, premier seating, two rooms at the Four Seasons, name recognition in a program. They're also going to be a part of AmFest's 2024 donor dinner — I think they meant to say 2025, because obviously if this contract were signed on February 5th, it's not the donor dinner from 2024, or it shouldn't be. Riley Gaines is going to be the keynote speaker. Dinner for 50. The attendees are going to be $10K-plus annually.
Then you have the spring investor retreat in 2025. They want banners. They want to bring four people. Then you have the Young Women's Leadership Summit. They want mainstage for a minute, an email blast, VIP lounge sponsorship, executive tickets, hyperlink logo placement. The Strong Church event — I don't know if that actually ends up happening — 60-second mainstage videos, email to attendees, executive tickets, hyperlink placement. Then the big one: Student Action Summit. Things are going to go sideways there. VIP lounge, hyperlink logo, text to attendees, email to all attendees. You have the Believer Summit — that ended up being cancelled, by the way — VIP lounge sponsorship, hyperlink logo placement, text to attendees. They get a kiosk ad, a two-minute mainstage video, an LED premium booth, and 10 minutes of mainstage speaking. AmFest — same thing, just kind of repeated there for what they're going to get at the big end-of-year events.
Now, they are highly invested in Riley Gaines. I can tell you that. Kind of explains her, if you ask me — it explains her general mood these days. She's the girl that lost one race swimming against Lia Thomas and tried to spin it into a career. Event appearances — they want her for the Winter Gala, AmFest, the spring investor retreat, social media posts, an Instagram story for each event, three video endorsements shot at Turning Point USA headquarters and events. So they're invested in her. Direct mail as well, you can see.
Then they have a "Brands We Trust" section. Then we have TPUSA Creative. They get two studio production days, calls with TPUSA's marketing and digital team. Then they have a social media blitz. These are their proposed influencers — may vary on availability: Alex Clark, Riley, Morgan Zegers, Benny Johnson, Jack Posobiec, Anthony Watson, Isabelle Brown, Lauren Chen, Chrissy Clark, and Savannah Hernandez. Again, that's their proposed list. We can't ascertain as to whether any of them took up that offer other than Riley.
Dean's List continued — banner mention in all emails. Turning Point Ball: they want to be a part of it. They get four hotel rooms, six seated tickets to the inauguration, 25 tickets to the Turning Point Ball. And this is incredible — Y Refi Theater. They're going to name the Turning Point USA feed theater. I don't know if it's going to be a whole building or part of a building, but it is a construction project that is to be completed by the end of 2025. I'm wondering if that was the construction in Charlie's office, because I believe that's the only place they had construction going on. If it was going to be completed by the end of 2025, that would be the only one that makes sense to me.
Anyway, then they get the entire TPUSA spring campus tour.
Now, why am I walking you through this contract? Because they get a lot, and they get it for $2.25 million through to the end of the year. They highlight everything they've wanted. They've been working with Turning Point since the year prior. They know Charlie goes on tour every semester. And yet, despite signing this contract, they then come in in July with an addendum.
The date that this is executed — and we're going to go to the second contract, the addendum — this agreement is going to be really just one page. Everything else is just the legal indemnification. One page. Suddenly, they're not so descriptive. It's going to be for a lot of money just for the Charlie Kirk fall campus tour. Signed July 25th, 2025. And they're going to pay an additional $1.25 million. That's a lot of money just for a branded wall, a presenting sponsorship title, premier branding for evening campus sessions. They're looking to do this for 12 events. Mainstage speaking time — just five minutes. So Lane Shonberger did speak for five minutes as the event was kicking off at UVU. A mainstage video — there was no video opportunity of course at UVU — and an email to all attendees. That's it. And yet they're willing to pay $1.25 million just for the fall campus tour.
And then you wonder: why not include that in the earlier contract? Why are we getting this addendum late in the day? Maybe the tip is correct — that he came in as a friend and was like, "Hey, we'll make up that money. Don't worry about Bob Showman." These are the contracts that we're reading.
And I'll tell you what's interesting. We will never be able to confirm whether this is all people talking around the office and some people say this is what happened and other people dispute that narrative. I highly doubt Lane Shonberger is going to talk to me about these contracts and why he came in on July 25th and decided to inject a lot of money. Also, people saying that they actually never actually get the money — that was also weird. Like, this is just on paper but the money is funny. I don't know. We can't confirm that.
The Epstein Timeline and Its Connection to Charlie Kirk
What we can do, though, is plug these agreements onto our Charlie timeline, which I have to tell you is growing more interesting by the day. Because we didn't just plug these agreements onto it. We also decided — I had this idea to go backward — and I just went: what about this Epstein stuff? I forgot Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan wrote a book, and it broke in the New York Times, about all of these meetings that were taking place in the situation room over the Epstein files. What a weird thing. Why would you have to have meetings in the situation room about how to manage the Epstein files? It's a common theme in this Charlie Kirk story.
So I want to take you guys through this because I think you will be unnerved by this timeline as I am unnerved by it.
Let's start in February. He enters that initial agreement — Y Refi enters an agreement to sponsor Turning Point's spring tour plus all major media events through to the end of the year.
February 11th: TPUSA reopens their shuttered chapter at the University of Nebraska Lincoln.
February 12th: Frank Turek speaks at the University of Nebraska Lincoln.
February 24th: Charlie Kirk contacts Candace and says Emmanuel Macron has asked the White House for her to stop discussing Brigitte. Emmanuel Macron was at the White House on this day and put in a personal request — that is going to become increasingly relevant as we go through this, because of what we were working on, which I almost forgot was an entire Epstein series.
February 25th: Sergio Gore — one that Erika is going to see off to India following Charlie's assassination — calls Candace and asks her to stop discussing Brigitte Macron as a favor to President Trump.
February 26th: Trump calls Candace and asks her to stop speaking about Brigitte Macron.
In June: we have the Boston Consulting Group — that's where Mitt Romney and Bibi met, don't forget. They decide to abandon the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, which ends up being remarkably corrupt. It turns out they're just killing Palestinian children, starving them. So Boston Consulting Group has got to get out of that in early June of 2025 because of the scandal. It's important to note that Netanyahu and Mitt Romney met as corporate advisers at BCG and have maintained a very close friendship since — over 50 years of friendship.
June 3rd: Johnny Moore actually takes over the chair as chairman of the Gaza Humanitarian Aid Project. Now, Johnny Moore, as we know, is Andrew Kolvet's partner over at the Chyros company. Before Andrew started his own PR firm, he was working with Chyros. When I met him and TPUSA took on Andrew through Chyros, if I remember correctly, his email address at the time — it no longer is — was at the Chyros company.
June 13th: Iran and Israel's 12-day war commences. Bibi Netanyahu and his American partners are lobbying hard in DC for Trump to get American troops involved in a full-scale war in the region. Charlie is one of the few voices in Trump's ear lobbying against American involvement.
June 17th: UVU hosts a fake drill simulation with crisis actors for a mass casualty event.
June 18th and 19th: Charlie physically goes into the White House and ultimately wins the debate against the Zionists that are lobbying for American involvement in Iran. He and some others convince Trump to limit action, only partaking in a limited strike on Iranian nuclear sites.
June 19th: Erika purges her Instagram. She deletes 126 posts.
June 22nd: Operation Midnight Hammer. America bombs Iran's nuclear sites.
June 22nd: Bradley Hansel is confirmed by the Senate as the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence. His term is set to begin on July 25th.
Now we're in July. July 7th through the 9th: Bibi Netanyahu visits Washington DC.
July 9th: We noted that the Candace Owens two-decade-old college video — a college final — is archived for the first time. We know that the next day, on July 10th, TPUSA headquarters asks UVU club president Caleb Chilikut to book Charlie for an event in the UVU courtyard. His field rep is being vague on the details. He asks the school if the space is available.
July 11th through the 13th: Charlie speaks at the TPUSA Student Action Summit, and it is a disaster — only for his donors. Charlie's first speech is at 4 p.m. His last speech he concludes at 1:10 p.m. local on Sunday. But it's on the 11th that Tucker Carlson speaks. Charlie tells him to go max on the Epstein stuff, and the Zionist donors freak out. Bob Showman pulls out millions. Others pull out millions. Tucker Carlson calls out Jeffrey Epstein. He says that people who serve in foreign armies should be stripped of their citizenship. He muses about where Bill Ackman's wealth comes from.
July 11th: Frank Turek deletes his website, frank.com.
July 12th: According to the New York Times, President Trump called Charlie Kirk angrily to scold him about his event, claiming it was an Epstein grievance fest.
July 14th: Charlie Kirk announces on his show that he's going to stop covering the Epstein story and that he trusts his friends in the administration. He is clear that he was intentional about speaking about Epstein at SAS — he wanted to go max.
July 14th: For whatever it's worth, Erika Kirk travels aboard a private flight to Long Beach, California, and she speaks at James Catis' Calvary Chapel Church for the Women's Summer of Psalms retreat. She's not experiencing the same anti-Israel feeling as her husband, at least not in her speech. The speech is pro-Israel and it's about a call to arms, despite what Charlie is going through with Zionist donors.
July 16th: I begin my Jeffrey Epstein series in conjunction with Xavier Bousard's reporting — the same person I did the Brigitte series with. The first episode is entitled "Dead Men Tell No Tales." Actually, it's not the first episode — it was the introduction episode. On July 9th, we premiered our Epstein series "Dead Men Tell No Tales," which is the introduction. Very next day, per the New York Times, JD Vance and top advisers meet in a situation room to discuss the Epstein files — absent Donald Trump. You guys, ignore that Donald Trump was not present. We actually tried to confirm that today and realized that Donald Trump was not there. The attendees were JD Vance, Susie Wiles, David Warrington, Todd Blanche, Steven Cheung, Karoline Leavitt, Taylor Budowich, James Blair, Stanley Woodward, and Kash Patel, and Pam Bondi joined by phone. Apparently JD Vance was the only one in the room arguing for the full files to be released — again, that's per the New York Times report.
It is also the same day that I dropped episode one of the series on the Epstein files, called "The Midas Touch" — how they pulled him through the ranks is what the episode is about. Where did Epstein's money come from? He wasn't actually that interesting. He wasn't that smart, but he was good at blackmailing people. We discussed the Department of Justice, Bill Barr's contributions, and the Dalton School in New York in creating this fake persona of some super genius when he was kind of just a sexual deviant from the very beginning, hitting on high school girls.
July 18th: There was a formal request for Turning Point USA's UVU chapter that's submitted. They decide to hold the event at Utah Valley University.
July 20th: The Egyptian plane flew from Cairo through to Paris, onto Omaha, Nebraska, and then onward to Lincoln, Nebraska. Then we know on the 20th, Charlie vacations in Maine for a couple of weeks with his family. He goes off radar. Mikey McCoy and Elizabeth join Erika and Charlie for the first time, according to them, capturing what's going to be the final footage that is immediately distributed following Charlie's assassination.
July 22nd: I dropped Epstein Files episode 2, "House of Maxwell." It's a very interesting episode where we discussed how Robert Maxwell got into schools in America printing textbooks, their obsession with printing, Ghislaine Maxwell, their connections — this is really a French family, if you will. And the very next day, another Epstein situation room. Every one of my episodes, the very next day there's an Epstein situation room meeting — which is just remarkable. This meeting coincided also with the House Oversight meeting voting to subpoena the president on the Epstein files. That vote took place on the 23rd, and it said that they were surprised by this and suddenly had to deal with the fact that this information was going to be subpoenaed whether they liked it or not. And to be clear, they did not like it.
The attendees from that meeting were Susie Wiles, JD Vance, Todd Blanche, David Warrington, Kash Patel, Pam Bondi, James Blair, Steven Cheung, Taylor Budowich, and Karoline Leavitt. Again, Trump was not present for that meeting.
July 25th: Y Refi then comes in as the sponsor for a Charlie Kirk fall tour. Like I noted, they had already signed a contract in February through the end of the year. So what catalyzed this sudden addendum for the fall tour? We don't know.
July 27th: The Egyptian plane departs Wilmington, Delaware, and heads back to Cairo. I need to double-check that — make sure I didn't carry that over and not delete it.
August 3rd: Charlie and Erika land in Bedford, New York for the Hamptons retreat. From the 4th to the 6th — there's this intervention. We don't know specifically which day Bibi called. My best guess would be on the 4th. The 5th and the 6th is when the influencers are there. They were not a part of this meeting. They were not a part of Bibi Netanyahu calling. But it has since been confirmed that Bibi Netanyahu did in fact call, Erika was present for this phone call, and I was told that he offered to take Turning Point to the next level in exchange for — what was never made clear. I was also told that Bibi invited Charlie to Israel and Charlie declined to go to Israel. I believe that Andrew Kolvet has since admitted to that.
Also on August 4th: a fake MySpace account is archived for me. We added that.
August 6th: Obviously Charlie goes on the Megyn Kelly show, where he explains what happened — or alludes to what happened — in the Hamptons and says that people are calling him an antisemite. He holds up his phone. He's obviously very frustrated. So this was not a peaceful summit for Charlie.
August 9th: A 2015 Candace Owens Flickr account is archived for the first time. Again, that is over a decade old and it contains photos of Candace with family from a birthday party. Not controversial.
August 13th: I dropped the Epstein Files episode entitled "Mega, MAGA, and the MOSSAD." And we were getting information that Brigitte was allegedly working for the MOSSAD. This particular episode was about a group of billionaires in America who were effectively controlling everything for Israel, and particularly during Bill Clinton's term. "Mega" became a nickname for a mole that was working at the White House, which Bill Clinton set out to find — until he got blackmailed by Bibi Netanyahu, who said, "We've got Monica Lewinsky and you on tape, so you're going to stop looking for this mole who is at the highest levels of the government." And so he did. He stopped. That's what that episode was about.
Once again, a strange coincidence. On August 13th, we have the follow-up to an Epstein meeting. That meeting ran approximately two hours, from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. Eastern. Trump, David Warrington, and Stanley Woodward are not named as participants. The people reported in person are Susie Wiles, Pam Bondi, Todd Blanche, Kash Patel, James Blair, Taylor Budowich, Steven Cheung, Karoline Leavitt, and JD Vance by phone from Britain.
August 14th: Just an interesting fact — could be nothing. Kabat Phillips reaches out to Turning Point USA at UVU and asks to speak on behalf of the Daily Wire for the fall campus tour. He requests a date for late September, specifically because he plans to be in the area. On that same day, Erika has a photo shoot with the children and Charlie at the Biltmore Hotel. Marina Minez, the CMO of Turning Point USA, is involved with the organization of this shoot.
August 15th through to August 17th: That was a Turning Point USA Aspen investor meeting. We're told that's when Charlie just appointed Erika to take over if he dies unexpectedly.
August 17th: This is confirmed. We have our Egyptian planes that come in and they land in Lincoln, Nebraska, at noon. They were also in Omaha. And strangely enough, Kash Patel goes to Omaha. Now, we filed a FOIA request wanting to know why he was in Omaha. We wanted to know who was aboard the plane with him, who he was meeting while the Egyptian planes were in town. They came back to us and essentially said, "Kick rocks. We can neither confirm nor deny, and we don't have to, because that's our government and that's how it works." But I would like to know the answer to that. Maybe someone else is more astute at filing FOIA requests.
August 24th: Brian then claims security planning began for the event. But UVU, we've now learned, says that they were not informed or included in this said planning. So where was Brian Harpole and where was the security planning taking place? That's another open-ended question. Then Operation Valhalla Strike began — civilians and the military training in Minnesota. Civilians working with the military. Fascinating.
August 25th: That is going to be the UVU major events meeting on Microsoft Teams. The school suggests that Turning Point does not seat Charlie in the amphitheater, but Turning Point is insisting they've got to be there and that's how it's got to happen. The security of Turning Point USA is not on this call, and yet UVU police chief Jeff Long is asking for a contact, which he doesn't actually get. So on September 2nd he follows up with them. He says, "Hey, still don't have a contact for the security," and so he reaches out to the club president. Again, this is per the independent review. And then he is supplied one. On September 3rd, he is able to establish connection with Dan Flood.
And I want to be clear — September 2nd is the first time that this upcoming event could be found mentioned, that Charlie is going to come to town and that he's going to be speaking at UVU in the courtyard. That is the first time that is mentioned. And yet, remarkably, 3,000 people are going to show up. And it's going to coincide on September 10th with their military day as well. So maybe there were a lot of military people — military people and civilians who worked with the military could have been there. That's what I think.
Anyway, I wanted to show you that updated timeline because I am left with the impression that we should have continued our Epstein series. This is not normal. At the highest level of government, to be calling you about Brigitte, to be suing me over mentioning that Brigitte's birthday falls on the creation of MK Ultra, Brigitte disappearing, Jean-Michel Trogneux disappearing in the United States never to be seen again — I just feel like the Epstein files, of which the Todd Blanche story was "we can't give you the files, it's really just all child pornography," may have consisted of something bigger than that. A global trafficking network, also a psychology program, assets all throughout.
I keep forgetting how much of the Epstein story has to do with France. Jean-Luc Brunel — of course, potentially suicided — partner of Jeffrey Epstein through the modeling group founded by him. Faith Kates' modeling group. A question that we could not get an answer on, and we asked Turning Point USA explicitly: why do we have people that worked there saying that Erika was in control of the modeling apartments company that Jean-Luc Brunel started? This feels like it could be very important for us to go back to the Epstein story.
There's been a lot of panic about the Epstein story, and I've already expressed a million times I'm uncomfortable with Turning Point's inability to answer questions about this. This is very easy. If someone said, "Candace, did you work in or around Jeffrey Epstein's modeling company?" No, I didn't. Wasn't hard for me to respond when people were trying to drum up a story about me as a lesbian. Nope, not me. That's not me on those websites. Yes, that's me right there submitting my college final, which I did on the Adderall epidemic on campus. This is not hard to answer questions. And you would especially want to answer those questions if it's about Jeffrey Epstein. Like, I just feel like — am I right? Is that common sense? You'd want to answer those questions.
When I plot that timeline, I consider everything that was happening. I go: I should have kept going with the Epstein series. There's something bigger happening here. The administration was positively panicked about the Epstein files. Trump's making phone calls he should never be making — "Stop talking about the Epstein files" to Charlie. "It's an Epstein grievance fest. Why are you—" You're the President of the United States. We should be aggrieved by Jeffrey Epstein. Are we still talking about Jeffrey? Yes, we're still talking about Jeffrey Epstein.
And I'm wondering if Charlie was murdered over the Epstein files. I'm wondering if Charlie was murdered over the Epstein network. I'm going to think about it while it's still legal, because it's barely legal. The feds are trying to bankrupt you. Trump tweeting — what does all this have to do with one another? It feels like there's a bigger picture here. Like the nucleus of all of this is the Epstein files, actually. And we should go back. So we will go back. We're going to go back to discussing Jeffrey Epstein and trying to figure out what caused so much panic for this administration and why they still, to this day, do not want to release the files.
Brian Cole Jr. — The J6 Pipe Bomb Patsy
Now I want to discuss another weird coincidence — something that came up a couple of weeks ago.
You may have seen this, but Brian Cole Jr. was the person people were starting to identify as the J6 pipe bomber. I think we're all awake now. We realize that's another federal game — set up, totally completely set up. The feds were behind this. I actually received information that everyone on Capitol Hill knows that the individual was actually out of Nancy Pelosi's office and it was a woman, allegedly. But people started sniffing around that story five years later. The left and the right are now more open to the fact that we're getting played both ways.
And suddenly Kash Patel and Dan Bongino — they found the guy, and it's an autistic Black man named Brian Cole Jr. He's arrested five years after the events on January 6th. The FBI says he confessed. His legal team, however, tells us that he has autism. And how they got that confession is positively sickening — as in, people should go to prison over this. We should be able to find out who the federal agents were who sat him down.
So if you know anything about autism, people that have it stim, right? They have these characteristics where they're trying to comfort themselves — whether it's rocking or repeating phrases, whatever it is.
I want to first pull up the interrogation, which was trending all over Twitter yesterday because it's so despicable and disgusting. This is called "Mr. Cole Breaks."
So he's been being interrogated. He maintained his innocence, said he didn't do this. The record of Mr. Cole's last hour of resistance is difficult to read. He asked for a break just to process all of this. Alone in the interrogation room, shivering while wrapped in a blanket, he chanted to himself: "I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. Even a small chance. Even a small, tiny chance. Smallest, tiniest chances. Do whatever you can to clear your name. You can get out of this." This is stimming — the self-regulating repetition characteristic of an autistic person who is in acute physical and emotional distress. It was captured on the government's own recording.
When the agents returned, Mr. Cole reported "a giant pain in my stomach." The response from the fed was: "I know. Are you ready? Are you ready to explain?"
Minutes later, the agents asked whether he wanted the interrogation to end. His answer revealed a mind that had stopped functioning. He wrote: "I don't know what to do anymore. I just — everything is just everything is just blank. Being told all of this is just a little too much to process. I'm sorry."
Rather than honor that answer, the agents pressed on. They cued a surveillance video and asked Mr. Cole to identify the man in it. He denied any familiarity with what he saw — twice. "Do you recognize that person?" No. "Have you watched this video before?" No.
Only then did the agents remind him of what a denial would cost. They said: "Lying to federal agents is breaking the law. That's another crime. More lies just makes it worse." Seconds later, repeating the question drew the opposite answer. "So, is this individual you?" Yes.
The confession was not the product of the video. Mr. Cole had just denied recognizing himself in it. It was the product of the threat. The agents turned "no" into a "yes" by telling him that "no" was itself a crime. The agents' reactions confirmed what the entire morning had been engineered to produce: "It's over. Take a breath. Take a breath. It's over. Let your mind breathe. Okay, cry. Do whatever you have to. It's over. It's over. Okay, we can resolve this case."
So in case you didn't watch the Tucker Carlson episode, he invited the parents on to discuss how Brian Cole effectively became a patsy after being — what I would describe as — tortured by federal agents, constantly saying he did not do this, he did not recognize the person, until they got the answer that they wanted. Despicable. It's what you think happens when they set up a patsy.
And they descended upon his home, by the way, back in December of 2025. He lives with his mother and other family members. He's 20 miles outside of Washington DC. He works for a bail bond company with his family. He has pleaded not guilty and yet, despite that, has been denied bond in January. So he's sitting and rotting in a cell, because they can't allow people out of the cell when they're making up an entire narrative to cover their own crimes.
The Scripps Media Connection — Tyler Robinson and Brian Cole
Anyway, the reason why I wanted to bring up Brian Cole Jr. is this remarkable thing that happened days after the feds announced that they had their person. Mysteriously — just like in the Tyler Robinson case — Scripps Media releases what should have been a deleted, typical traffic stop with Brian Cole Jr. The media gets a hold of a standard traffic stop. And it's not just Scripps Media — it is the exact same two journalists at Scripps Media who released the footage of Tyler Robinson's body camera footage from a normal minor traffic crash.
You cannot believe this — that somehow, "Oh, we have this footage of Brian Cole. It should have been deleted naturally. Body cam footage, minor traffic incident, but we have it exclusively." Let's listen to Scripps News break that story.
Scripps News anchor: Scripps News obtained new video of the Washington DC pipe bomb suspect who was arrested earlier this month. I want to bring in our Scripps senior national investigative correspondent Lori Janah, who has this exclusive reporting. So LJ, how did we even find out this new video existed?
Lori Janah: Well, Stephanie, we always go searching for anything that gives us a more complete picture of the person who has been named by authorities. And in this case, we have literal pictures — new video of a car crash from 2024 in which police captured his face on camera.
Scripps News anchor: Is everyone okay? Anyone hurt?
Brian Cole Jr.: Everyone's all good.
Lori Janah: Police responding to a Virginia traffic accident in 2024 captured these images of Brian J. Cole Jr., more than a year before federal authorities took him into custody and accused him of planting pipe bombs near Democratic and Republican headquarters in Washington DC. Cole was driving a blue Nissan Sentra when he rear-ended the truck in front of him.
Police officer: If you would have left some space, you would have rear-ended the vehicle. Does that make sense?
Brian Cole Jr.: Yeah.
Lori Janah: A police officer wrote him a ticket that day for following too closely behind the other vehicle.
Candace Owens: Non-controversial, admitted what he did was wrong. And yet remarkably, Scripps Media — the exact same journalists who then randomly had Tyler Robinson's footage from years before — "Oh, we just don't know how we keep getting a hold of this stuff." Yeah.
It's almost like the feds are highlighting people who are autistic, on the spectrum, in certain programs — so that in case the feds commit a crime, they can just sort of dump it on them and convince the public. How are you getting a hold of this footage? I'm actually really interested. How are you getting a hold of this footage?
Did we have the Tyler Robinson one? Let's roll the Tyler Robinson clip, because it's the same journalist. They're amazed that they got their hands on it. Take a listen.
Scripps News anchor: Scripps News investigative team has obtained never-before-seen video of the man accused of killing Charlie Kirk. We learned earlier this week that the county attorney in Utah will pursue the death penalty against the suspect. Senior national investigative correspondent Lori Jane Gleha is joining us now with more on this video. So Lori Jane, what can you tell us? What does this video show us?
Lori Jane Gleha: Well, Stephanie, whenever a crime like this happens, we go searching for anything we can to help us understand who the accused was. And part of our research included contacting police departments in the communities in the area where Tyler Robinson lived and asking for any reports or videos that might give us some clues. Well, this week we obtained body camera footage from an accident he had in 2022.
Scripps News anchor: Oh, wow.
Candace Owens: That is incredible. You've got to give it to Scripps Media. Maybe we should be taking a closer look at Scripps.
And do you know what? Somebody emailed me and reminded me that when we were doing our series on Erika Kirk and we started with her life and the first school that she attended — particularly we uncovered that she went to a daycare in a massive corporate building — we were somewhat confused because we found no evidence that her parents worked in this corporate building. It was a relatively new building. I think the building was built in 1990, and Erika was attending daycare there in 1991. And it was actually the Scripps building in Cincinnati, Ohio. That's where the company was based. Erika was attending that daycare at 312 Walnut Street, at the corner of Third Street, in the central business district. And yet we couldn't figure out what her parents were doing in this building.
So I do think that Scripps in general — I don't believe in coincidences like that. I don't believe that when the feds get sloppy and we're pulling up obscure body cam footage from minor accidents, I don't believe in coincidence. I'm Catholic. We believe in providence. And I think the feds are up to it in both of these cases.
Listener Comments and Final Thoughts
Anyway, top comments from the last episode.
Big M writes: "The next time my wife bugs me to move along, I'm hitting her with a 'I can't move along, I'm heaven focused.'" Do it. How could she think anything other than, "Wow, you're amazing and you're so spiritual." Hopefully your wife isn't a reporter at Vanity Fair, because she might see right through it.
Patrick Brady writes: "They can preserve an office but not a crime scene." Yes, thank you. Lots of questions there. And that whole thing was meant to be a motive. Were you shocked and astonished when Mikey McCoy just immediately started taking hits from your husband's office? It seems a little weird. I would never allow that.
Ali writes: "What people don't understand is that your loyalty to Erika depends on her loyalty to Charlie. Once you saw her betraying him by lying about his beliefs and partnering with his enemies, the narrative of 'how could you attack his wife' goes out the window." Yeah. It's so crazy to try to convince me that you take 2.0 in the opposite direction of where Charlie was at. The entire world acknowledges that Charlie's opinion on Israel was changing. And yours changed too — miraculously, yours changed too. After pushing your husband and being more against it, you now say, "I don't have an opinion. I don't even think about Bibi Netanyahu." That registered to the public as fake.
You do not allow his enemies to operate at his organization. You do not allow people that were pressuring him to be invited back in. That registers to the public and to me as fake. And again, like I said, now she's teamed up with Andrew Wilson. Who could describe themselves as — when she says the statement, "All I do is I ask myself, will this bring me closer to heaven or further away from it?" — what was the answer when you ran whether or not you should share text messages with Andrew Wilson? Did you run that question: "Hmm, is this going to bring me closer to heaven or further away from it by partnering with these people?" Maybe she just runs the question and then she's like, "Further away. Great. Okay, let's move on." This is the nasty operator behind the scenes. And I'm, like I said, so happy that Vanity Fair just saw right through the entire fake Christian grift.
Alina writes: "I went from child-free to my husband and now we are planning our first child because of you. We are donating to pre-born to save as many babies as possible. Pray for us." That makes me so happy, and we will pray for you. Just know that the last weeks of pregnancy are no joke. You just want to tap out. You will make it through. Every day feels like a year, but you will make it through.
World Tide writes: "Please say a prayer for all those affected by the October 1st tragedy in Vegas nine years ago. I'm an ER nurse that worked that night. We saw over 240 patients. No matter what we go through, God is good. He will get you through anything. Every day is a blessing. Christ is King." Wow. Was that the shooting I'm assuming you're referring to, which happened nine years ago? We never really got answers on that. Talk about a different rabbit hole to go through.
Mariel writes: "I'm in a lawsuit defending my mom's memory from vicious lies after she passed. You taught us to build the timeline, add their lies, and let research reveal God's truth. Thank you for helping me crack the case. No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and discovery sucks for liars." Oh yes, it does. Discovery does suck for liars. And also remember — don't put everything out in public, because you've got to surprise them. Like I said, by the end of this child investigation, the Black Robe Mafia will be exposed as well. This whole strategy of — when you get close to the feds, they collude and they sue and they bankrupt you, because you're not allowed to get close to the feds. You're not allowed to know what they're doing. You're not allowed to know that they're into kids and they're disgusting. And so they're going to punish you. And that's going to be exposed too. We're just kind of moving into a new timeline right now, and people are awake. So fight on, be strong, and know that they are panicked because too many people are awake.
Seven Sheets writes: "Bravo. I find it so telling that your detractors never want to look into the greatest crimes against our nation, but you do. And I have been and always will be here for that, supporting faith, prayers, and God bless." Thank you so much for saying that.
Hannah Doodle writes: "The contact name Erika used on Telegram — just the American flag — is the same as the contact name from the text Andrew Wilson leaked of Charlie the night before." Yeah, it is certainly interesting. I am told by Turning Point people that Charlie had two Telegram accounts. One which was accessible by people around him, where he would kind of be like the "fake Charlie" — sometimes it was the real one, he had access to it, but other people also had access to it and could communicate. And that's the American flag icon. And then the real Charlie — the one that was speaking to the donors, the one that says "Charlie Kirk," that we saw when he's like, "I've been left with no choice but to ban the pro-Israel cause." I've realized the American flag thing is interesting. I don't know if Erika took over that account. I don't know what's going on.
I believe nothing that comes from Andrew Wilson, because why would you send it to Andrew Wilson when you could send it to Andrew Kolvet? Why would you not release the information yourself? Why wouldn't you send it to Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, all of your media friends? Give it to Vanity Fair — you gave them four months of access. Why not give them messages? Daily Mail? You don't choose to give something to these sorts of people — people who will lie and are disgusting and have various addictions and troubled backgrounds — because they're willing to get their hands dirty. That's why. And they need now, since they can't win in the arena of truth, people who just lie and feel nothing when they do it.
And so no, you don't get to claim that you're heaven focused when you resort to those sorts of things. And by the way, we're never going to resort to those sorts of things. We're never going to pay anybody. We're never going to get people that'll get their hands dirty for us. So we don't have a network of anybody. We're not on any group chats. We're not digging into anybody. We are looking at the players and determining whether or not the stories they have told us are true.
And thank you to that UVU independent review, Lake Forest Group, and also to the Vanity Fair reporter, because I feel like I have had the most vindicated week ever. Which is why they're hard in the paint trying to turn me into a crazy lesbian — because I am so vindicated. And it's going to keep happening, but their attacks will not land because they are missing truth. It only works if it's true.
And you also didn't know about the trashy tattoos. That's fine. Didn't know. Now I'm looking at my mom like, "You see, I disobeyed you, but decades later it worked out for me. I have a highly identifying mark and you can't make fake porn about me."
D. Greer writes: "Sounds like possible money laundering." You're referring to Y Refi. I don't know what Y Refi is, but I know that everyone's saying they're shady. Keep going, Max. I will.
BC writes: "Candace, who is your favorite Blake — Blake Lively or Blake Neff? Which one of them would prevail in a slap fight?" That's a very good question, and I'm glad that you're asking these sorts of important questions. I feel like you've got to put Blake Neff next to Ryan Reynolds, because they're kind of more the same — where I'm just like, something is very disturbing about you. So I would go with — in a slap fight, Ryan Reynolds would win. And I think that Blake Lively is not really in control of her life. So I'm going with Ryan Reynolds as the winner of a slap fight. Blake Lively has her dragons do her dirty work, so she would be on the side. Am I right? I'm heaven focused right now, so I can do whatever I want.