Candace Owens investigates Erika Kirk's appointment to the Air Force Academy board and her alleged connections to Jeffrey Epstein
Candace Owens presents a solo episode of her podcast examining Erika Kirk's newly announced presidential appointment and laying out a series of alleged connections between Erika and Jeffrey Epstein's network.
Summary
Candace Owens opens by addressing President Trump's appointment of Erika Kirk — widow of the late Charlie Kirk — to the Air Force Academy's Board of Visitors, arguing the appointment reflects no discernible qualification beyond her status as a grieving widow. She then pivots to what she describes as a growing and troubling pattern of intersections between Erika Kirk's life trajectory and Jeffrey Epstein's known networks — including Romania, Arizona State University, modeling agencies, and New York real estate. Owens reports that she sent a direct inquiry to Turning Point USA's PR and legal team regarding Erika's alleged meetings at Next Model Management — a firm whose co-founder Faith Kates had extensive documented contact with Epstein — and received no response after 48 hours. She also revisits the timeline of September 8th, the night Charlie Kirk was assassinated, arguing that emerging evidence suggests Erika may not have been home that evening as she has claimed. The episode includes reader comments, a clip of Father Ripberger discussing occult bloodlines, a clip of Charlie Kirk recounting a Chicago Bears game, and a clip of Blake Nefff stating that Erika believed Charlie would choose to remain dead.
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Erika Kirk appointed to the Air Force Academy Board of Visitors
Candace Owens: All right, you guys. In today's episode of "Everybody Grieves Differently" — and by the way, I should say we are in like season 17, episode 4. The writers are running out of ideas and they're just putting up things that don't even make sense anymore.
Well, on today's episode, President Trump has appointed Erika Kirk to the Air Force Academy's Board of Visitors. Now, if you would like to know how that further empowers this world-renowned widow who is definitely grieving, I will explain that to you. Is she qualified? Of course not. Not even a little bit. Doesn't even matter.
Also, I've got to speak to you about something much more serious. I have a hunch — a growing hunch — that Erika and Jeffrey Epstein may have crossed paths. Something is not sitting right with me about how she just keeps dancing around Jeffrey Epstein in her life. I am finding it increasingly difficult to believe that Erika just keeps coincidentally getting involved with countries and companies and schools that Epstein is deeply involved with. So I went ahead and messaged the PR team and legal team over at Turning Point USA with a very specific question pertaining to a modeling company that I recently discovered she had some involvement with. Forty-eight hours later, we have not yet heard back.
Welcome back to Candace. Okay, let's start with the major headline today. Erika Kirk has been appointed to the Air Force Academy board. Yeah, I'm here for it. I love it. That's what you need to know on this Tuesday morning. So you get back to work. Erika Kirk, on the other hand, well, she's just being handed promotions.
In case you missed it, her husband died, so now she will be advising the Department of Defense. With this appointment, Erika joins just 15 other members — that's how exclusive this board is. They are responsible for making recommendations to the Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth regarding changes to the Air Force Academy. They're also tasked with providing an annual report regarding the military institution's morale, its finances, and its academics.
Now, you might be wondering how on earth Erika Kirk went from being an apparent stay-at-home mother to suddenly being qualified to submit financial, academic, and military morale reports to the Defense Secretary of the United States. And if you're wondering that, you should know that you are everybody. We are all wondering this. Her husband died. That's what I'm told. We are just constantly being reminded that her husband died. Therefore, hey, she could be president one day. That's what Charlie said — allegedly. There's no record of where he said it, but he did say it. He just happened to say that she's going to be president one day. And some would say that maybe it's starting to look like a Claire Underwood from House of Cards situation. Maybe we don't feel so great about her ambition in this moment. But those people would be wrong, because the experts say Erika is qualified because Charlie was qualified. She's literally just taking his place. Anything he can do, she can do better.
Yeah, sure. Charlie was a literal boy genius, a boy wonder, who had been militarily inclined since high school. Remember, his plan initially was to get into West Point, but then he established Turning Point and it drove his life in a different direction. Charlie then built and ran that successful college campus student organization with chapters all across the nation. That organization earned him the ear of the President of the United States and every major political player in the country and world. That organization was taking in $100 million annually. But what — it's hard? Erika's husband died, so now she's qualified to take his place. That's how this works now.
Charlie, by the way, had himself earned that appointment. And there was backlash going, "Wait, whoa, this is a very big deal. We shouldn't be mixing politics with this." He had earned that appointment in March of 2025, just six months before he was assassinated. We could all therefore reasonably assume that his beauty pageant wife who makes t-shirts with biblical verses on them is going to bring the same level of experience to this exclusive role — because she's grieving. And the math on this is really simple. It makes perfect sense if you don't think about it at all.
And you want to know what I think? I think — why stop there? We're so far past ridiculous. I want them to actually just accelerate things. Why not just make Erika the Defense Secretary altogether? Why not just give her command and control over the army, the air force, the marines, the space force? I do not see a legitimate reason why Erika wasn't sitting to the left of Trump in the situation room when they bombed Iran. That seems perfectly logical now. Her husband was assassinated and she's a grieving widow. So yeah, maybe she could provide counsel to the president regarding this crucial operation. We know what this is really about. They're distracting us from the Epstein files and just doing whatever Israel wants, like always.
Jeffrey Epstein's emails and elite depopulation agenda
Candace Owens: Which brings me to Jeffrey Epstein in general. Speaking of Jeffrey Epstein, I wanted to show you an email. I had mentioned it yesterday — it took place between him and the princess of Norway. I mentioned it because I was casually discussing how the real aim of these people is that they want fewer humans. The elites want fewer humans on Earth. They do not want us to be able to reproduce. They will give us whatever propaganda serves, whether you're left or right.
And yeah, you're going to see this email that I'm going to show you, to put it in its proper context. The lead-up to this email is the two of them discussing food and antibiotics destroying living organisms. Anyway, this discussion ends with a mild celebration regarding how ultimately that's going to give them the power to just create humans. This is a conversation from back in 2012. Let's read it together.
She writes — the princess writes: "You always make me smile because you tickle my brain. But I want the data from now or the bill is mine. It is the cocktail of all of the unnaturals that have a profound effect on the early stages of development in humans. Soon, people won't be able to make new humans anymore. But I guess that would be La La Land great because we can just design them in a lab. So futuristic."
Just design humans in a lab. I think it's really important for me to underscore to you — left and right — that has always been the goal. Fewer humans. To my lefties, truly it was never about "my body, my choice." Go down the Emma Goldman rabbit hole. Go down and understand who was behind Margaret Sanger. This was always about eugenics. The goal was eugenics. They view us all as human weeds that need to be exterminated.
Now, to my conservatives who like me truly believed that our military was out there spreading democracy all over the world — that these wars would in some way benefit us — nope. I think now we can accept this was about just mowing the lawn. Mass murdering people. Also destroying history, because they want a forever present, a forever future. Like what we did in Iraq, like what we did in Afghanistan — destroying ancient civilizations — with the added bonus of stealing country resources that are going to help them further poison the general population. Poppy seeds for opiates, followed by an opioid crisis in America, get everybody addicted, encourage them to kill their offspring. Big pharma in a nutshell.
Yes, it is also their ultimate goal with IVF. They want all of us to have to come to them — the government overlords — to be able to have a family. A lot of women today are struggling with fertility issues. That's a real thing, and that is not by accident. That is by design.
Father Ripberger on multigenerational occult bloodlines
Candace Owens: So there was all of this panic yesterday online. The show was trending because we began discussing the occult. We're discussing mysticism. These people are literally summoning demons and they're making blood sacrifices. And now the world recognizes that. I think it's now a mainstreamed conversation, which is fantastic. And I wanted to follow up on that note and show you another clip of Father Ripberger discussing this on Shawn Ryan's podcast. He's on there discussing, as an exorcist, the things that he has come across. It's a fantastic conversation — it's about four hours long; you should watch the entire thing. But in particular in this clip, he's going to discuss Freemasonry, and how people can rise through the ranks via the occult, how families get involved with these mystic cults in general. Take a listen.
Father Ripberger: If you are in the occult, do you just arrive at that level where you're doing satanic rituals — or do you graduate?
Some graduate. Some are actually trained in this stuff from the very beginning. Sometimes they're actually groomed — they'll be watched in college, or they'll watch them and then they'll introduce them through various secret societies and things of that sort. They'll get them into engaging in the occult. There are a few of these people — not many — that are actually part of a pedigree or history that extends back to the late 1500s, 1600s, where the occult practices have been in their family lineage literally for 300 to 400 years. And so they're so proficient in the knowledge about how this stuff works and what is actually involved. They know that there are demons and God, et cetera. And they know that their activity in the occult is getting demons actually involved. They fully know that. In fact, their knowledge of this stuff is almost on the same level as mine. And so they have a full understanding of it, but they're on the side of evil. And so they tend to raise their children generation after generation within that particular occult set of practices.
Candace Owens: That is exactly right, ladies and gentlemen. These bloodlines are ancient. These practices are ancient. And the reason why they're constantly moving people all over the world is they don't want you to have this ancestral knowledge. They don't want you to know that they're doing this stuff in broad daylight. The revelation of the method. They're kind of telling you they're doing these things.
The point here is that Epstein was definitively of the mystic Frankist ilk. He was practicing mystical Judaism. There is no question about that. It always involves occult rituals which involve harming innocent children.
Andrew Kulvette's West Wing visit and the Epstein file release
Candace Owens: Regarding Jeffrey Epstein in particular, I want to throw it back to a tweet that I published on Thursday, January 29th of this year. It's really interesting in retrospect because I truly did not know what it might amount to. The backstory is that I had received a couple of emails from people who follow and watch the show at the White House. They said, "Hey, Candace, Andrew Kulvette, Mikey McCoy, and a couple of women — who looked like Mikey McCoy's wife — were in the West Wing, and we just thought that was kind of odd, because Andrew just presented as though he was live on the Charlie Kirk show doing a phone call with Kash Patel, but actually he's here. He's in front of us here in Washington DC, on the other side of the country."
So I followed up and asked them specifically who Andrew Kulvette and allegedly Mikey McCoy and company were meeting with. Could they ask around and figure out where they'd been seen? And they said — and I'll quote this — "The offices in that general region are senior White House staff. It could be Susie Wiles, Stephen Miller, James Blair, the vice president's hallway, and the situation room connects to that lobby. So any number of people could have been in there. Kash, the NSA director, Pete — the cabinet meeting had just let out fifteen minutes prior too, so that also adds any members of the cabinet."
I didn't know what to make of this. So I just instantly put the information out there and tweeted, just in case. I said, "Tweeting this in case it's relevant down the line. Two days ago, Thursday, January 29th, Blake Nefff and Andrew Kulvette hosted Kash Patel on Charlie Kirk's show. It appeared as though Kash phoned into the show live, but he did not. Andrew Kulvette was actually in the West Wing in DC that day taking a meeting with top brass. The episode was pre-recorded. People in the White House and all around the world think Andrew was shady and intentionally wanted the public to think that he was in Arizona for some reason, so they asked me to release this information. The next bit is unconfirmed, but they believe Andrew was accompanied by Mikey McCoy and his wife Elizabeth. If you see something, say something."
So I share that, and what struck me as immediately odd was that Andrew Kulvette and allegedly Mikey McCoy and his wife were making an effort to fake a live appearance on the Charlie Kirk show with none other than Kash Patel. Why do that at all? In that particular episode, Kash called in and it was all very performative. Like, you guys are together in DC — what are we doing here?
I had also replied on January 29th to someone, saying, "Hey, I'm trying to figure out why Andrew Kulvette is in the White House." Now, Andrew — the reason why this should also stand out — is that Andrew has missed plenty of episodes of the Charlie Kirk show. Sometimes it's just Blake Nefff, sometimes it's Blake and Mikey, sometimes there's a guest host, sometimes when traveling Andrew even calls in for a segment. But this was for some reason pre-recorded and intentionally presented to the public as though it was live. I never do this. So I thought through that and said a fair assumption is that they did not want people to know that they were taking a meeting at the White House. And that's a very unusual desire for Turning Point USA. They normally love to promote the fact that they are involved with Trump — throwing flashy events at the White House, Mar-a-Lago, posing all glammed up. So then I had to ask myself: what in particular was it about this meeting on this day in the West Wing that they wanted to fly under the radar? What could have been the subject?
I wasn't sure. I felt it was important enough to tweet about, just in case. And lo and behold, the very next day — January 30th — the Epstein files were released. And I thought, "Oh, how precise. Is it possible that the meeting was related to the Epstein files, which are heavily redacted and obviously not complete?"
Erika Kirk's alleged connections to the Epstein network
Candace Owens: And I said to myself: Erika was heavily involved in the pageantry world, really her whole life. Trump was also heavily involved in the pageantry world. More specifically, Donald Trump was actually the 50% owner of Miss America alongside NBC Universal when Erika was crowned. And Trump and Epstein's relationship seemed to be centered around pageantry and the modeling world and parties. There was even a lawsuit filed back in 1997 over a pageant company wherein one of the parties said that during a meeting for his company, Jeffrey Epstein was there.
And Trump has never denied that he hung out with Epstein. He said, "I never went to the island." But there are obviously photos, so that's interesting. And I want to make sure you understand what Jeffrey Epstein did, how he was trafficking. It's important to remember that Jeffrey Epstein was specifically trafficking women from Eastern Europe through modeling agencies. It's a great cover. Whether he was working with Victoria's Secret — Les Wexner hands him the keys and all of a sudden he's like a casting director looking at all of these models — or John-Luc Brunel in Paris, whose agency MC2 Modeling was. John-Luc Brunel killed himself. Nobody wants to mention the fact that they also had offices in Tel Aviv. That's how he was accomplishing it. Because when you see a lot of women at a modeling agency, you don't go, "Oh, maybe these women are being trafficked from Europe. Maybe they're in some danger." Right? The illusion when there's just a lot of models in any event — whether it's a pageant, anything else — is that this is normal because it's just the world of fashion or the world of beauty or modeling.
So he's been casting for Victoria's Secret, and also when you go through his emails, it seems like he's also handpicking girls for certain pageants. I've read through some of them — he clearly had a very strong relationship with Miss North Carolina one year.
I thought, okay, maybe still another coincidence. Erika's in pageant world. Trump's in pageant world. Epstein's in pageant world-ish. Then we took a week off to investigate Erika and I was even more stunned by some more coincidences. I'm going to run you through them.
Romania, ASU, Tyler Bowyer, and the Romanian Angels project
Candace Owens: Okay. So in 2010, we know Jeffrey Epstein — based on the emails — begins procuring models from Romania. We also know that that's the same time and year that the Black Sea Rotational Force in Constanta, Romania, is being led by Erika's cousin, Lieutenant Colonel Dennis France. It's the first time America is operating a base in Romania, which is later going to be accused of prostituting underage Romanian children — Colonel Otto Busher. Same time frame, Tyler Bowyer goes out to Constanta, Romania, and he's hanging out, partying and drinking with Romanian models and parliament politicians. Then Tyler returns from Romania around September of 2010. Makes sense because he was attending Arizona State University, so school's got to get going.
And then that same year, Jeffrey Epstein begins giving money to Arizona State University specifically for their Origins Project. Four months after that — now into 2011 — in May of 2011, Tyler Bowyer is going to get unusually elected to the board of regents. And I say unusually because the governor kind of didn't go through the normal process and just decides Tyler Bowyer's the guy. Then four months beyond that, Erika is going to enroll into ASU for her final year of college, from 2011 to 2012. And immediately two months after that, after the semester begins, she wins Miss Arizona USA in November. And right after winning, we know she is going to establish this working partnership with the US Marines Black Sea Rotational Force in Constanta — teaming up with them to run the Romanian Angels project through her 501(c)(3), Everyday Heroes. She's going to go out to Constanta. She's working with Colonel Otto Busher — that same colonel who's going to be accused of trafficking and prostituting underage Romanians apparently up through Tel Aviv.
And I do want to say about that in general: why did she partner with the US Marines at all? That's not a requirement. I went to Romania twice. My best friend was Romanian and her family lived in Constanta. You can just go do charity. You don't have to team up with the US Marines. This is an EU member state. You don't need the protection of US Marines to be in Romania and decide that you want to drop off some Christmas gifts. You really just need an address to do that. But for some reason, this particular charity felt that they needed to team up with the US Marines. Nobody's really recognized that you don't need to do that. I can go do charity anywhere in Europe right now without demanding a partnership with the US Marines. It's very strange.
Then in 2014 to 2015, Erika begins tweeting that she's a casting director or casting recruiter in Los Angeles. The same time she's trying to break into the industry herself. And I also want to say that during this time that she's trying to get involved in reality TV, we find her floating around Mark Burnett. Mark Burnett is also running Mark Burnett Productions. He's running Trump's Apprentice show. A lot of synergy happening around this time. I do believe that Erika knew Donald Trump before she ever met Charlie Kirk. I think that's honestly evident.
Next Model Management, Faith Kates, and Erika Kirk
Candace Owens: So it really makes you wonder, and it kind of brings in Kulvette because his company is working with Mark Burnett via Johnny Moore. It's very weird around this time frame. But it's the next little time frame that I want to get to.
All right, so I'll tell you how I got this information. I had received a tip a while ago saying, "Hey, you know Next Model Management in New York City? Faith Kates, who was the co-founder of it, had to step down because of her involvement with Jeffrey Epstein. She's in his emails like 4,000 times — even after he got arrested for pedophilia. She's like, 'I will never betray you. I will never ever betray you. I've got your back to the end.'" She was very close. She's inviting him in this email to her son's bar mitzvah. And this person said, "Just so you know, Erika was involved with Next Model Management."
So this is a tip. And this person did not work with Next Model Management. I was like, okay, tip — I'll see where it leads. I reached into some old contact cards. I thought that would be very curious because Next Model Management apparently had tons of Eastern European girls all around the office. Epstein would help this modeling agency in particular. And so I decided to see if I could get some more people to verify that Erika was involved. What was she doing? Was she modeling? No.
I was able to confirm it. Not just once, not twice — three times, four times — with people with direct knowledge that Erika Kirk was multiple times taking meetings at Next Model Management and dealing with the people — the suits — that would surround Faith Kates. People like Jeffrey Epstein. Now, they did not say they saw her meeting with Jeffrey Epstein, but they said essentially Jeffrey Epstein was always there because he was so close with Faith. That cannot be denied. You can go through their emails — they're very close. He would sometimes come in and take a meeting. When you're friends with someone, you take an office. And nobody knew what the context of these meetings were.
They are saying that in meetings like that — meaning Erika was not there because of a modeling contract; they don't know why she was there. They don't know why Erika was in that same category of suits, just like suits. They were not to ask questions, and Erika is there, taking meetings at Next Model Management.
So, feeling 100% certain that this information was real — confirming it four ways — I decided to go out and ask Erika what she was doing there. Because if people with intimate knowledge of the situation don't know what she was doing there, that's not great. What does Erika have to do with Next Model Management? What is she doing there? And I went out to her, of course copied the spokesperson Andrew Kulvette, and I said: What specifically were you doing at Next Model Management in New York City? Did you run into Epstein? What is your relationship with Faith? Give me the context of this.
Crickets. I feel like that would be a very easy email to answer — one question. What is the context of your relationship with Next Model Management? We've confirmed that you were taking meetings here. What was the nature of those meetings? We mentioned that Faith had a falling out — she had to step down because of the Epstein emails and she "retired," which is the nice way of saying it — and nothing. Wouldn't you just answer that instantly? If someone emailed me asking about the context of my visits to an office where Eastern European models were constantly present and where Epstein would just come in all the time because it was his friend's office — wouldn't you rank that really high in terms of just giving a comment? Wouldn't you just offer that answer if there was a good answer?
I find it to be very strange. Especially when we now add in the fact — going back to the way she keeps dancing around Epstein — pageant world, Romania, ASU, and now Next Model Management specifically and real estate. We can't get an answer on that.
Corcoran Real Estate and the Rothschild connection
Candace Owens: Erika — being the busiest person in the world in 2018, receiving degrees, starting and running a business, a clothing company, also taking interviews with Turning Point because she's going to help them but then falling in love with Charlie — she also unusually receives her New York real estate license to work with Corcoran Real Estate. That is under the stewardship of Pam Liebman. Featured in the Epstein files — helping him with real estate deals. But also, we can't find any real estate deals that Erika completed in New York. And real estate agents are reaching out to me saying, "You can't just get a license and work for Corkran. That's not how the real estate world works." They have certain requirements. They're saying, "This is backdoor stuff. Somebody just made that happen for her." And there does not appear to be any record of her having completed that.
But we do then learn via Jeffrey Epstein's emails that the president of the Corcoran Group is actually Linda Rothschild. And Jeffrey Epstein is working directly for the Rothschilds. He himself is saying that — Corcoran Real Estate Group is all over his emails. Someone ran a background on Linda Rothschild — it has all of her different names that she uses and also has her listed as the president of the Corcoran Group.
What was Erika doing for the Corcoran Group? Who got her that job? And I do know that there is a general understanding that if you want to move money, real estate is a very good way to do that. It's a good cover if you're trying to move money. Real estate is a very productive means to do that.
And I am starting to have — just how many times can her life path keep intersecting with Jeffrey Epstein before it's weird? Her relationship with Trump. Trump just — something is not feeling right. We've got Andrew Kulvette. We've got this meeting at the White House that they didn't brag about — they love photos, they love photo ops — and they're there the evening before and they're in the West Wing. Yeah. Can't you just come out and say what you were meeting about? What was the context of that meeting?
I would like to know. Something is not right. And I would like an answer as to what specifically Erika was doing sitting down in offices with suits at Next Model Management. I think that's a very simple question to ask. There may be a very simple answer. We will see.
Analyzing the September 8th timeline
Candace Owens: Anyway, the entire Erika story feels like what I refer to on my show as the Midas touch. Somebody's just pulling her through the ranks at all times. I don't know if she's even smart, but they're telling us that she's like the brightest in the entire world and that she's doing it all. And no one can even confirm that she did graduate summa cum laude from ASU — by the way, she has since removed that from her bio. She is slated to speak at Hillsdale College and the students have all messaged me because they don't want her there. They similarly just feel like she's just being hoisted upon them. The woman is not a super genius. But they're just like she is — so qualified, hyper-qualified. Nobody can show you where on the resume she's qualified, or how you go from modeling agencies and dating reality shows and pageantry to the Department of Defense. No one can explain that and they don't even care to.
It's giving Jeffrey Epstein when he just becomes a math teacher and someone's pulling him through the ranks — and that someone is Bill Barr, who gives him that job because he's running that school. Something's just really weird about everything.
And I also wanted to tell you this is happening on X right now. Turning Point tried to remove it from the podcast — they did actually remove it from the podcast, but not before the internet grabbed it. It's this clip of Blake Nefff. He's one of my favorite characters because he always says too much and it's never good. Blake Nefff explained on the Charlie Kirk show earlier today that Erika said that if Charlie had a choice, he would choose to stay dead. Take it away, Blake Nefff.
Blake Nefff: Blake, any thoughts? You know, Erika said that if Charlie was given the choice to undo what happened and come back, he wouldn't. She thought because of what was unleashed by it.
Candace Owens: They've since removed that and Blake is essentially saying that's just because of the faith revolution — that Charlie would be so happy to see that people are being driven toward churches, that he would pick, if he was in heaven, to just stay there and let his kids grow up without a father and without a mother, because everything seems to be going according to some more divine plan and Erika has taken his spot everywhere. Okay.
Let's talk about it. Let's actually talk about September 8th. Now that we've learned more about Erika, the Fort Wuka story — I'm leaning toward Mitch. Allegedly, Erika was seen on September 8th at Fort Wuka. It caused mass panic. They spent tons of money getting people to attack me. And now with everything we know about the way Erika moves — I didn't really know in the beginning how to feel, but I'd like to add just some more data points to September 8th.
Now remember, Erika's claim — before they sent me a cease-and-desist — was that she was making dinner for Charlie that night. But no one else has been able to independently confirm that. Frank Turk does make the claim that Charlie had dinner with his family, but he doesn't mention Erika. He doesn't say "his wife." And I find that to be interesting because I think Frank Turk is actually a smarter person involved in this. He hasn't made the same mistakes as everybody else. He says just enough. So this could just as easily mean that Charlie had dinner with the kids. The vibe that I get from September 8th — and we're going to go through this timeline — is that Charlie was the parent that night. Listen to what Frank Turk had to say.
Frank Turk: The last walk we went on was Monday night. So the terrible day was Wednesday. We spent some time Monday and then we both went to dinner. He wanted to have dinner with the family. He's a family man. He said, "Hey, can you come back at about eight? We'll go on a walk." I said, "Yeah, okay." So I came back down at eight and texted him. I said, "Okay, I'm about here." He said, "Coming out." And then a minute later he said, "Shortly — Gigi just got up." So he was obviously taking care of the baby, taking care of his daughter, because that's the kind of person he was. And then we went on this long walk, and there were two major issues that kept coming up that he wanted to be better at.
Candace Owens: So we received an email which made this even more interesting. They said Charlie on September 8th was very obviously watching the Bears football game. He's a massive Chicago Bears fan. Everybody knows that. It was kind of always a feature on his show of him being upset with the chronic upsets that comes apparently with being a Chicago Bears fan. And the account recounted with remarkable detail that Charlie definitively watched the second half of that game glued to his screen. Take a listen to Charlie discussing the Bears game on September 8th.
Charlie Kirk: Blake is such a Packers fan. He said, "What should we talk about?" I said, "Well, talk about the Bears." He said, "I'm not talking about the Bears." Okay. I even put in my group chat: "The Bears are winning by 14 points. This is a very strange thing. I don't know how to handle it." The Bears put on a master class — one of the worst coached games in the history of football. It was so bad. They challenged in the second half. You never do this in the second half. You should be smacked across the face. He challenged what was not even a close call — Noah Su with a fumble. What happens when you lose a challenge? You lose a timeout. So you lose a timeout when you need to stop the clock, and they only have two timeouts left and they can't do that. And then some rocket scientist on the Bears — I'm screaming at my TV, I woke up everyone — they decide, well, we have to kick the ball. And it was like two minutes and two seconds left. Okay. And they're down by three points. Two minutes, two seconds left. So with two minutes and two seconds left, you have to make sure that the ball either goes out of bounds or that you kick it off so they can't return it — you only have one timeout left. Why does that matter? Well, because then the two-minute warning stops the clock, and that is a built-in timeout for when the Vikings run the ball inevitably. What do they do? They allow the Vikings to return the ball. They're basically ending the game.
Candace Owens: I don't think there's any question that Charlie watched the second half of that game. He says he was screaming at his TV. So we are now able to tighten up that schedule on September 8th.
First and foremost, I do want to note that an article appears in Jezebel.com regarding a witch's curse placed on Charlie's life. That was at 9:49 a.m. — all of this is in Arizona time, just to be clear. At 9:49 a.m. that article appears in Jezebel regarding a witch's curse that was placed on Charlie. Exactly one hour later to the minute, Erika breaks her years-long Twitter silence and tweets out a Bible verse: Ephesians — "For by grace you have been saved through faith." At 10:00 a.m., Charlie appears from his home studio live on the Charlie Kirk show. At 10:45 a.m., Lori Frantzve has an appointment at the clinic and Charlie allegedly meets up with her and accompanies her. These appointments apparently run for an hour. So Charlie and Lori are together from 4:00 to 5:00 p.m. Charlie appears from his home studio on the Ingraham Angle. There was that notorious picture going around where Charlie looked angry, looking off to the side. Well, he's got to be looking at Frank Turk. I would suspect, based on this timeline, that Frank Turk was with him — because it's getting tight now. The game is about to kick off.
Erika's alibi is going to be that she arrived home. Yeah. Everyone investigating this should now copy this timeline. I think Frank Turk was with Charlie. I'm not saying Charlie was angry at Frank, but I still don't believe Frank's story that they went on a walk to talk about pointers about how Charlie would debate at a college. I just never bought that he was suddenly in need of so much debate help. I think there was something going on. There was some sort of crisis that required Charlie speaking to a rabbi, a pastor, and a priest within 48 hours. I think that's a fair assumption to make.
Erika — and again, Frank has never mentioned these portions about dinner, just "dinner with the family" — but Erika will allege that she arrives home at 5:24. And then at 5:41, Charlie is allegedly — as she's already upstairs — going to text her and ask her what time dinner is, despite being in close quarters. Erika is then going to text Charlie that dinner is ready. So this was a fast dinner. Charlie is then going to text Erika and ask what time dinner is. Then Erika is going to text Charlie that dinner is ready.
And then you can see, going back to the game — we went back and tracked people's tweets of when exactly Noah Su forced a fumble on TJ — that's what he's talking about there — and you can see that this timeline is starting to tighten up.
I wanted to share this because I have a strong inkling — and it is not a fact, but it is a strong inkling — that Charlie was at home alone with the kids. That is why when he woke Gigi up, it would track that he went to have dinner with his kids. And that is why when he was shouting at the TV — which would in fact wake a toddler up — around when he's shouting at the challenge around 7:16 — that he then tells Frank, "Hold up because the Chicago game is on." Frank hasn't mentioned that, which I find interesting. It might be a talking point for why he was running late. But that game ended at 8:30. So Frank was definitely not walking with Charlie at 8:00, because Charlie is very clear that he was screaming and then came down a little bit late.
Charlie is then going to be seen at 9:00 walking with his bodyguard Heath, accompanied by a tall man who is not Frank Turk. So locals did not see Frank Turk on this walk with Charlie. They did see Charlie on a walk. He stopped. He spoke with his neighbor for a few minutes about his upcoming tour, said hello to the dog.
My suspicion is Frank was there for some reason. You don't just sort of invite a pastor over and then say, "Come back." There's something going on. There's something going on. And I think Frank would know the answer. I think Frank could answer. I will get an email out to him as to whether or not he was the person that was in Charlie's studio when Charlie looks off to the left before the Ingraham hit. And I think Frank could actually answer whether or not Erika was home. It's a yes or no question. Was Erika home? Did you see Erika? Nobody yet. And I will keep putting out an APB for September 8th for Erika Kirk. No one can confirm seeing her anywhere. And she was very well-known in this neighborhood. Charlie's entire family is well known. People will tell me when they see the kids, who they saw the kids with. Charlie Kirk was a celebrity. He was a fixture. So they knew his family, they knew his kids — and no one can confirm seeing her on the eighth. And I'm troubled by that.
Given how much he pathologically lies and given how aggressive the campaign was when we merely mentioned Fort Wuka — and I had not yet dropped the fact that he thought he saw Erika; we were actually holding that back — and then she does this tour and gets really aggressive and says stop: my vibes, my Spidey senses are telling me that Erika was not there on the eighth. I find her pretending not to understand the instructions, or the middle person — what we're trying to get at is to confirm that this text correspondence really took place between her and Charlie, and not her and somebody else or two other people. I don't buy it. I don't buy anything really that Erika says. She lies a lot and I think we've proven that thus far.
Audience questions and closing reflections
Candace Owens: All right, you guys. We're at that point now where it's just weird for the people who came out of the gate defending her. They were like, "Okay, she's a grieving widow." And then you kind of have to put your head down and be like, "Okay, she really is grieving differently — with the Department of Defense and just taking her husband's place." That's why you should never rush to defend something that you know is wrong. Because eventually it's going to catch up with you. Everyone knew it was wrong. Everyone knew the way she was moving wasn't right. It's better to actually stay quiet if you're not sure — which was me. I was going to be quiet. I just don't want to feel the way that I feel every time she opened her mouth. I didn't like the whispering too. There's a lot of whispering she does — "He knows. He knows." Some of that felt a little bit performative to me. But that's an opinion, it's not a fact. And the facts followed the vibes that we were getting. And that's why you should just wait. Be patient. Allow the truth to reveal itself. It always does.
I am going to get to what was our number one comment from yesterday's episode. The number one comment from our French channel is: "I cherish this freedom of expression. Its loss reveals the extent to which the French people in France are under the thumb of the elite and for a very long time." That's amazing. We do have a channel that is in French — there you go.
Number one comment from our English channel is: "I prayed for a sign as to whether to join the military or not today, and I got my sign. Thank you, Candace. God bless you. I will not be dying for Israel." I am so glad that I could do something productive. I just don't understand why people are dying overseas at all. Our country is in decline. And it's very obvious that the priority is just to serve Israel and that will be Trump's legacy, sadly. And I love how they're trying to just betray Trump — no, Trump betrayed Trump. Trump betrayed MAGA. That is what happened. Everyone can see that now. Everything he is doing is the opposite of what he said he would do. And yeah, you would prove yourself to just be ridiculous if you think that the literal never-Trump movement, which is now applauding his every move, is somehow at all reflective of original MAGA. That's so beyond ridiculous, it's stupid.
[Commenter — Hamulerdon]: I love the fierce passion that you have for truth. Everyone has a growth arc. I love seeing your mind and your views mature in conversations. I see that others want to trust your sincerity, but feel that you helped push the culture war and fed slot distractions in the past too. Your honest thoughts here.
Candace Owens: I've been giving you my honest thoughts. I was a part of it. I did see it as just a problem with the left. That's the whole point. That's why I say this is our perspective on the right and this is your perspective on the left. And it's now become very clear to me — especially after Charlie Kirk's assassination — how this really works. And yeah, I've been honest about everything. I was the number one person wearing a MAGA hat thinking that Trump was going to bring forth change, and I caught a lot of bullets for that. And I think that's been the biggest disappointment — that he didn't, at the end of the day. We just got it wrong with him, or I don't know if it's just this time around, if this is who he is after the assassination attempt. I don't know. But I don't regret learning. I don't regret growing. And I can say without question I have always been honest. I never said something that I didn't believe.
Sometimes with more information you learn more. Learning about Sigmund Freud ripped me into a new reality in terms of how the world really works. The Brigitte story ripped me into a new reality because I didn't care about the left and the right in that moment — I was talking about France. I don't even know what their left and right is. It was just: wow, this is really strange, this is like a cult, and why is the entire mainstream media apparatus conspiring to hide this very obvious fact? And it just brought me to a different place that kind of sat outside of politics. I'm happy about that. Thank you for that question.
[Commenter — Mary Garcia]: For many years I have learned about spiritual warfare from Father Ripberger's books and conferences. What I learned is that demons militate to the absurdity. That's what I see happening with this whole Turning Point USA Erika situation. God bless you, Candace.
Candace Owens: Yeah, there's a lot to look at. I definitively think that people naturally felt the spiritual element of this. There's an element of this that you don't even need to learn. You don't need to be a professor of theology — it's innate. And that kind of gets into the intentional push toward empiricism, rationality, scientific method — because they're basically saying ignore your gut. Ignore that thing that comes online and tells you all of this is wrong, and we should stop doing that. We should stop ignoring our gut. There is so much more, and they know that. They're playing with demons.
[Commenter — Amy Loves Music]: You have shown Erika's lineage. She is conditioned through her mother and the military. I'm excited about Trump, but over Kamala, who wouldn't be. Now the Epstein files — I'm so disappointed in all of government. How do we fix it? God bless you for opening so many eyes.
Candace Owens: I think you meant that you were excited about Trump over Kamala. Yeah. It wouldn't have been better with Kamala. And I don't want people to think that it's either/or. It's just not. And Kamala actually reminds me a lot of Erika — when we got into the Kamala Chronicles where I was like, I don't even think she remembers what she said yesterday. It's like she's on autopilot and somebody is just downloading new data into her. And there's no explanation for the lack of consistency. And then we kind of learned that her mother was involved potentially with the MK Ultra project. Her mother was a scientist. I think that's accurate. Also a psychologist, and a lot of weird stuff there. Yeah, we're learning a lot in the process.
[Commenter — Angela]: Your tenacity and charisma in the face of the constant barrage of attempts to subvert your power are unparalleled. Thank you for speaking the truth, no matter the risks, to pull back the wool from the eyes of the world in all the lies. Christ is king.
Candace Owens: Christ is king indeed. He already won. So be excited. They are starting to look like demons. They're lashing out, thrashing around. They're so angry. And that's how I know we're winning. They're absurd. They're so crazy right now — "This person's in a psychosis, Tucker must be stopped." They're just enraged at all times. And I feel that means we are very much winning. We should be happy. We should be aware that eyes are being awakened globally to what's going on. Truth is the antidote. They can't beat it. They can't defeat it. And that's why I encourage people not to just know the truth but to speak the truth, because that seems to counteract their attempts at spells. They're constantly wanting censorship and that's what they're demanding.
Do I think they're going to grow increasingly violent? Yes, they have shown that. The whole point of pledging into that cult is — if you're willing to harm a child, you'll harm anybody. That's the point. That's what they believe: there's no such thing as innocence and rules, and we are our own gods and we define the rules. Again, that gets more into what we discussed on our book club. You should learn about Sabbatianism. You should learn about Frankism. Learn about the Frankist movement that they've tried to bury, and everything else will become, I think, more clear to you.
A note from my producer: Blake Nefff responded and said they did not cut out the portion of him discussing Erika and her insinuation that Charlie would want to remain dead if he had the option because of the faith movement. He says that they checked, they fact-checked that, and the full Charlie Kirk podcast episode still has Blake Nefff's comments — but it is cut out on the Twitter stream, which is where we initially saw it. So they cut it out of the Twitter stream. It is still available on the Rumble site. We don't ever need to be inaccurate or make things up because they give us plenty of content every day anyway with their absurdity. Blake Nefff wants you to know that they did not cut anything out of the Rumble stream. So there's that.