Candace Owens investigates Charlie Kirk's death: security footage, backpack mystery, and disputed text messages
Candace Owens presents new security footage analysis, identifies previously unknown individuals from September 10th, and challenges the authenticity of a text message released by Turning Point USA.
Summary
In this solo episode, Owens continues her investigation into the circumstances surrounding Charlie Kirk's death. She identifies previously unknown individuals in security footage from September 10th, including Alex Faria as the person who fell from the SUV, and Chrissy Pacico as the person who retrieved the falling backpack. She also presents footage of the anonymous security member "Christopher" accessing the trunk of Charlie's Denali approximately 12 minutes before the explosion. The episode also examines the mystery of how the SUV came to be open and drivable so quickly after the explosion, including analysis of Justin Davis's and Blake Heriff's movements in the immediate aftermath, and notes the suspicious matching attire of security personnel and Butch Hibbs. The bulk of the episode addresses a Telegram message released by Turning Point USA and Andrew Wilson, purportedly from Charlie the night before his death, in which Charlie expresses fear that "the left" is trying to kill him. Owens argues the message is a manipulation of an original iMessage sent to Dan Flood — and that the word "the left" was added — pointing to the timing of the messages, which she says coincide with an emergency Zoom call Charlie was on with Israeli officials, after he had declared he was leaving the pro-Israel cause.
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FULL TRANSCRIPT
Identifying remaining security team members from September 10th
Candace Owens: Happy Thursday, which is basically our Friday — at least it's the last podcast of the week. We received a flurry of emails yesterday with questions regarding the footage that we aired: the mysterious backpack that flies out of the trunk, the person who picks up the backpack. Inquiring minds want to know, and we can provide answers. We also received a ton of emails asking for clarification and to identify those individuals, and we are grateful that many of you answered the call when we asked who the remaining security members on the TPUSA team were.
Of course, because we want to be spicy, we have more exclusive footage of the security members on Charlie's team from September 10th. But perhaps most importantly today, I would now like to formally address the text message that my debate opponent — if that's what we're calling him — Andrew Wilson released while I was in Iceland. The alleged message from Charlie the night before his death, allegedly sent via Telegram, wherein Charlie says he's afraid the left is going to kill him. That message is exceedingly problematic, but not for the reasons that you think. Turning Point walked right into a most wonderful trap, and I'm going to explain why.
Welcome back to Candace. Where to begin? I guess let's start with filling in some narrative holes from yesterday. I asked the public to help me ID some of the remaining security members from September 10th, and you obliged. We can now complete this photo officially — the team is all here.
What I had left off was asking about the guy in the far right in the blue shirt. We now know that is Todd Espie — bright blue shirt, far right, just in front of Alex Faria and Brian Harpole. Then we had the remaining person. I think it goes by Claude Barnes. We're fairly certain, having done our bit of research, that that is Claude Barnes. He is at least with, or was with, Integrity Solutions. I want to thank ExcuserJJ86 for pulling that one together for us. If you have any more information, or if we made any mistakes, please let us know. We would like to reach out to these people and see if they would be willing to speak to us.
Now, many people noted how odd it was that all of them in that photo appeared to be wearing the same shoes and the same outfit. I think that was probably done intentionally — they wanted to be able to recognize one another. Sort of like what I was saying about the feds, or the military, where they'll have a color code for the day. That just seems like organization to me. It is remarkable — they do all kind of have the same shoes. That didn't strike me as odd. But what does strike me as interesting is that Butch Hibbs is matching them.
I asked myself that a while ago. I said, "What are the odds that Butch Hibbs — the mountain man, just to be clear, not the CIA or the MSAD man, he just likes the mountains — what are the odds that he shows up on a whim in matching attire?" Okay, here's Butch. Obviously the dress code for the security team was to wear a plaid shirt and those brown shoes. If you quite literally photoshopped him into the security pic, you would just think he belonged. We did that. Look at the shoes. It's just interesting. Not exactly what I would call mountain shoes, but I guess I wouldn't call them massage shoes either.
The anonymous security member "Christopher" — new footage
Anyway, we still do not have a positive ID on a rather crucial character: Christopher, the security member who was on Charlie and who drove him to the event at UVU with Mikey McCoy and Nate Walker and Frank Turek in the back seat. I want to show you some clearer images of Christopher because I realized yesterday we only showed you one blurry one. I intended to show you more, because his beard was grown out and men's entire faces change when they grow a beard out.
One person did email us and thought that his surname might be Jobin — J-O-B-I-N — but we were not able to confirm or find one thread or shred of proof that that would be his surname. I wanted to show you some clearer images so we can reopen that part of our investigation. Here he is with a less grown-out beard. And here he is with no beard — you can get a sense of how he just looks a lot younger, as all men do without a beard. And here's another photo of him. Believe it or not, yes, that is our individual who was on Charlie.
So if you know who that is, recognize that person, please send us an email to tips@candaceowens.com. I would love to reach out to this person for various reasons.
I did reach out to my sources at Turning Point USA to learn more about him — when was he hired, who is he, I don't recognize him. I was told that he was hired late 2024 and that he was not particularly friendly. He didn't speak to anyone at Turning Point USA's facilities. He was on Charlie, and that's why nobody seems to know his last name. I was also told that he was allegedly in attendance during that fateful Hampton Summit where Bibi Netanyahu called Charlie Kirk — a story that we broke, and which Erika confirmed the reasons for that phone call. I don't know if I accept what she told me, but the Hampton Summit is an interesting one, especially given Bill Ackman's odd investment in the story. That's all we know about him thus far. If you can help identify him, please do reach out.
How the SUV door was open — keys and choreography
Moving on from that, we received a few emails from people speculating that maybe the keys were hidden in the hood of the car. Yesterday we were trying to figure out: how was this door open? What kind of security would leave a car door open? Also, what kind of security would leave their vehicles blocked in so they can't get out?
If you rewatch the footage, it looks like the car is already open. Because if you take a look at Justin Davis and Blake Heriff, they arrive at the car first. They don't go to the hood or any other area. They go directly to the passenger side door and it does not appear that it is locked. How do we know? Because if they had unlocked the door on their way while running, we would see that in the footage. The back lights would flash as they do when you hit the car keys open on any modern car. This is a 2025 Denali, so we know it would just flash and you'd go, someone just turned on the car.
In order for them to drive that vehicle off, the keys were either already in the car or in one of their pockets. It could have been in Justin Davis's pocket. It could have been in Blake's pocket. Blake could have put it in the car. From a purely speculative standpoint, it is at least plausible that in the immediate aftermath of the explosion, one of them either already had the keys on them or perhaps were handed the keys. Because if you watch the footage from Charlie's front after the explosive goes off, both Justin and Blake Heriff at first sort of slide and dive toward Charlie before then instantly pivoting and sprinting to the car. We're going to isolate those actions and show you that one by one.
First up, we're going to look at Blake Heriff. He is going to dive across the table — that's our table diver. You can watch him from two angles: the angle behind Charlie's head, which Terrell shared with me, and the angle from the crowd. There he is. There's Blake. You're going to see him kind of jump across the table there. Many people looked at that and thought it was possible that there was a handoff of some description. But actually, if you examine some side footage, it looks more like he reaches into his pocket for something — something that we can deduce has to be small because he uses just two fingers. We have no idea if it's a car key. It could also be something else entirely, but we're showing you all of this because all these little pieces make up a puzzle. Maybe keys, maybe not. Maybe something totally different. Can't be certain. Worth noting.
Next up, we have Justin Davis. He does less of a slide, a bit more of a dive, but he is not entirely in view. It looks like he goes beneath the table before he gets up and sprints to the car. There's Justin in front. He turns around, then comes around, and there he is on the right-hand side outside of the table. We can't see what he actually does while he's down there. But then he immediately gets up and runs off. Is it possible keys were handed to him in that moment? Sure, it's possible. Is it certain? Absolutely not. But we're allowed to think, and we're going to keep thinking while it's legal.
Then of course there is the video we showed you yesterday, and we are again going to isolate Justin Davis so you can see that he is the first to arrive, with Blake Heriff in tow, at the open passenger door of the Denali. There they are, the two of them right there. An interesting choice, by the way, to run to the passenger door — I'm not entirely sure why that is. Then he goes for that little meet and greet in front with Justin, a little huddle with Mikey. And then he gets in there. And then there comes Charlie.
We're now going to show you that clip again, somewhat darkened to highlight the key characters. There's Mikey — not on the phone, just covering his ear. And now you can see the two of them opening that door. Justin goes around to the front.
Who knows how those keys got there, or whether or not the keys were given — or when exactly the keys were given — to Justin or Blake. Unless one or both of them wants to come forward and share their stories or fill in some of these holes, we can't know for certain. It's obviously chaotic, but it's also strangely choreographed in my view. It's strange to me that there doesn't seem to be any misdirection, any fumbling, or any confusion. They all knew to go to that car specifically. They knew it was available. They knew it was open. Again, this is all happening within 45 seconds — within 30 seconds when you see Justin and them get there.
As we stressed yesterday, it's especially odd to me that the driver of that vehicle is missing. The driver — who one might assume had the keys, Chris — who had previously locked that car, at some point before the explosive goes off presumably unlocks the car and then makes the decision to go upstairs with Charlie's assistant Nate Walker, heading toward the Sorenson Center, just minutes before the bang. Some people thought that maybe it's Mikey who handed those keys to Justin Davis because Mikey was in fact in the car. Maybe he had a spare set during that little front-of-car pow-wow. Maybe.
I do think it's odd that both Danny and Mikey instantly went to that exact spot separately but instantly. Especially Danny, because Danny didn't arrive in that car. Danny's passing his car and then goes right in the front and does that little dip and then goes off with Mikey to the left.
Who fell out of the SUV — Alex Faria identified
Now, the question that a lot of people asked online is: who fell out of the vehicle? Somebody does fall out of that vehicle, and we can confirm that it is a different security person — that is Alex Faria. It looks as though he attempts to get into the trunk where Frank Turek is, but then he falls out. We can show you that with Alex Faria isolated, and yes, in addition to that, you will see in this clip that a backpack falls out of the car. There is Alex. He gets in, and then the backpack falls out at the end there.
I do want to say regarding Alex Faria falling out of that car — it's a bit of a wonder that a pastor would think it's wise for him to be in the car above security on the way to the hospital. You would think that he would yield to security and say, "Okay, I'll find my own way." That feels mildly inappropriate given the circumstances.
Speaking of Frank Turek, there are a lot of things that he has said about that day that are questionable. The CPR story to me is the most senseless — his excuse that Brian Harpole was distracted and forgot that he conducted CPR on a dying person in the very small vehicle. I don't think Harpole just forgot that. I actually think Harpole told the truth between the two of them when he said that no CPR was conducted in the car. I don't think he was distracted.
The backpack identified — Chrissy Pacico
Also, if you are wondering who it was that picked up that backpack that fell — almost instantly, you see someone pick it up — it is again remarkable luck. It looks like choreography almost. It happened to be a long-time Turning Point USA employee, Chrissy Pacico, who picks up that backpack. It's not a random student or a passerby or a police officer, but a person who was in charge of logistics on that day — a member of the logistics team for Turning Point USA that helped to set up everything. She's there in time just to pick up the backpack as it falls out. Here comes the backpack. We've highlighted Chrissy there so you can see — first thing she does is she picks up that backpack. End of story. Just in case you guys thought it was a random person, it's not. It's someone on the Turning Point USA team.
Christopher accesses the trunk 12 minutes before the explosion
Now, I want to stress that I expressed yesterday that I believe the backpack belongs to Chris, the anonymous Chris. That is honestly a Utah 1102 hearsay-sufficient speculation that I am making — I am inferring upon some other evidence that I have been withholding and am going to share with you today.
Something interesting happened. Around 12:11 p.m. — approximately 12 minutes before Charlie gets hit — Chris, the person who is supposed to be on Charlie, with keys in hand, heads to that Denali and unlocks the trunk. He either puts something into the trunk or takes something out. That part is obvious. There's something in the trunk that he is going to, I guess you could say, fumble around with. Take a look. There he is. No one's around. And he goes right where the backpack maybe is. Looks like he almost puts something in his pocket. Looks to the left a little suspiciously. Let's play it again. There he goes. Something on that left side again. This is approximately 12:11. Puts something in his pocket. Looks back to make sure no one is looking at him. And then he closes the trunk.
And then we know what he does next — he goes upstairs with Nate Walker, Charlie's assistant, toward the Sorenson building.
I want to stress that when we come back, we're going to talk about the message that Turning Point USA released. It's really strange, because if Charlie had expressed that he thought the left was going to kill him, and expressed the night before that he wanted to make sure his security men stayed on him — as you're going to see in this message — it's very odd that Chris, the main person who was on him, the main security detail, would go upstairs with his assistant. I don't think Nate Walker needed to be guarded. I don't think that's what Charlie meant in this alleged text message. And I'm going to tell you why I'm saying "alleged" in a moment.
The alleged Telegram message — Turning Point USA's "wonderful trap"
All right, so while I was in Iceland, Turning Point USA — namely Andrew Kolvet — green-lit Andrew Wilson coming out with an alleged Telegram message from Charlie Kirk the night before he was killed. This is the same message that Andrew Wilson bizarrely read as his opening statement in our debate. Our debate was not about Charlie's messages the night before. Very strange that he would read that, and then didn't want to show it during our debate, and then released the alleged message on his show.
What's very strange about this — immediately strange, and should strike you as ever intentional — is that Turning Point will not acknowledge its authenticity, and that Turning Point did not choose to release it themselves. Since their whole narrative has been that they've been trying to push that the left did this, why didn't they release this immediately? Why didn't Turning Point USA give this to the New York Post, give this to the Daily Mail, and say, "Aha, here it is — evidence that he was terrified of the left"? No. To the contrary, they did the exact opposite.
I was the one who revealed this, and I did not say "the left" — because I was told it did not say "the left." I was told that he said "they are going to kill me" to Dan Flood. I have it on good authority also that the message went out to Dan Flood via iMessage, not Telegram. To strike you again as remarkably odd: Turning Point USA hands it to a third party who we know is happy to lie. He'll lie about what he said two seconds ago. He'll lie about what he knows. Our debate was three hours of him trying to gaslight me about things that were said moments earlier, pretending that he knew the charges, all sorts of things.
Why would they hand this to a chain-smoking liar rather than giving it to someone reputable to publish it and say, "This is authentic"? But rather than me asserting that I believe the message is a recreation of a message that was sent on iMessage — not Telegram — sent to Dan Flood, with the words "the left" added, let's for a moment do what the defense does during a probative hearing. Let me actually engage in their arguments. Let's pretend for a moment the message is real, because they made a very, very big mistake.
Breaking down the text message — and the timestamps
This is the text message that was released. Again, this is Telegram. Charlie wants to know what the lay of the land is. Dan Flood comes back and says, "Yes, law enforcement has been fully supportive and has agreed to the security plan and posture. Tomorrow's event will be covered by both my team and campus PD. If additional support is required, patrol units will be available." And Charlie says, "Thank you. The threats are higher than ever." Then that gets cut off. And Dan says, "I have 11 on site." I don't know why we would include that message about the threats. Then Charlie says, "Okay, great. Delicately remind them that they are there for one person, security only. I'm somewhat worried about the left trying to kill me." Just said separately by itself there. Dan then comes back and says — and I'm going to say Dan because that's what I was told; remember, I'm the one who told you about these messages, I'm the one who broke the story and they gaslit me and now they're admitting it but saying it was "the left" — Dan allegedly comes back and says, "Just so you are aware, I will be strict with allowing people into our bubble. I can't have distractions in there. As we spoke of earlier, we are here for one priority." And then Dan replies to Charlie having said "I'm somewhat worried about the left trying to kill me" by saying, "I've got you. I will do all in my power to make that extremely difficult." To which Charlie likes that on Telegram.
Now, immediately the internet clocked that this actually made me look good. Back when Erika did her first PR blitz in December of 2025, it was me who had been telling the world that Charlie sent two messages the night before — that he was worried that they were going to kill him. I actually revealed this on October 7th. You can go back and watch the episode. And I was explicit in saying that it was not the left, as this unconfirmed text message reads.
When Andrew Kolvet told me this information — because he was my source, and he told me he received one message and Dan Flood received the other — I covered for him and said it was a donor as well as somebody close to Turning Point USA. I specifically asked Andrew Kolvet who Charlie meant by "they." I was told this in the week after Charlie died by Andrew Kolvet. I specifically prodded that narrative and said, "Who is 'they'?" And he told me that he did not know. So I'm not going to pretend he said, "Oh, it's the Jews in Israel." He didn't say that. He said, "I don't know." And I thought, that's weird. Like, who just randomly would text Andrew Kolvet and be like, "They're going to kill me"? Who's going to randomly text Dan Flood and say, "They're going to kill me" and not be more explicit?
I would have obviously remembered if he said "the left," because I communicated it instantly on my show on October 7th and said, "This is exclusive — he sent it to two people." Yet despite me knowing about Charlie's concerns and knowing about these messages back in September and informing my audience on October 7th, months later in December, when Erika hit the circuit clearly with the express purpose of debunking what I had said, she denied the message's existence. She went to Glenn Beck, and here's what she said.
Erika Kirk's denial on Glenn Beck — played back
Glenn Beck: I know the tour — that was the first stop of the tour — and I know you two had met with your priest the night before. Do you think Charlie knew to some degree and had made the conscious choice that "I may be taken out early" — not saying he knew that that day, but that he had any inkling that this might come his way and that he intentionally chose to move forward with faith in God?
Erika Kirk: It's interesting because we always — I mean, I still have unbelievable amounts of death threats. My kids have kidnapping threats, death threats. Our whole team has death threats. We knew that there was always going to be a threat, but Charlie and I always — we promised each other we would never live in fear. And he would say, "If they're going to get me, they're going to get me." But he was not messaging people the day before saying, "I'm going to be murdered. They're coming after me. Someone's going to kill me." He didn't say that. And I have a cell phone.
Glenn Beck: Didn't say that.
Owens responds to Erika Kirk's denial
Candace Owens: Spicy. "He didn't say that, and I have a cell phone." It's important to remember that Andrew Kolvet was doing PR with her and traveling with her at this time. So it really is weird that Andrew Kolvet would tell me that and not tell Erika months later. We're supposed to believe that Erika was completely ignorant of these messages until I clocked her.
That was the original TPUSA sin, so to speak. I said, "That's really weird." And the next day I went on my show and said, "She's lying. Erika is lying there. That's very strange. These messages absolutely were real. They were received by Dan Flood and Andrew Kolvet." And then I met up with Erika. They very quickly reached out, and she was like, "Oh yeah, no, the messages are real." Once I said that, then I went in and she said something about connecting the phone to the internet, and she then confirmed with the team that Charlie had the phone set to auto-delete on his Signal and his Telegram.
What I didn't reveal to Erika is that a source I trust deeply — much more than I trust Erika, and who has been more consistent on telling the truth about what happened on that day — said that the text messages were received on iMessage. So I am not inclined to believe that these messages are on Telegram.
But actually, there's something bigger, boys and girls — the trap that they walked right into. More interesting than whether or not the message is edited is that Andrew Wilson provided timestamps. The internet literally did not clock this.
Now, if you had listened to me and how much I love a timeline — my official timeline — you would recall that I have been meticulous about Charlie's schedule on September 9th, every hour of what he was doing that I could populate onto my official timeline, confirming his whereabouts and what he was doing. What is interesting about when Charlie sent these alleged panicked messages to his security Dan Flood and to Andrew Kolvet — which he has not yet addressed — is that he sent them when he was on the now-notorious Zoom call with leaders in Israel.
Charlie's final day — the September 9th timeline
Let me jog your memory regarding Charlie's final day — the day before he died, September 9th. Erika said that she woke Charlie up for his Fox News hit. That's per Andrew Kolvet. At 1:00 p.m., Charlie appears on the Will Kane show from his Turning Point USA office studio. He then jumps right onto a 40-minute interview on Mark Halperin's show. At 3:00 p.m., Erika told me that she was getting her nails done, and that in this hour is when Charlie had that back-and-forth and fight on the phone and said that he was leaving the pro-Israel cause. And no, he was not saying it tongue-in-cheek.
At 3:54 p.m., that message was sent. Suddenly there's a Zoom call — an emergency Zoom call. It seems to have been an emergency call because we have Charlie, we have Josh Hammer, we have Frank Turek, we have Rabbi Wiki, we have two Israeli officials on the Zoom call, as well as Blake Neff and Andrew Kolvet — if Rabbi Wiki is to be believed. He says that his producers were on the phone call.
I want you to picture that: during the time that he is on this Zoom call and Andrew Kolvet is on the Zoom call, Charlie texts Andrew. Allegedly, as Andrew told me — he told me this explicitly — he receives a text saying "they're going to kill me." Andrew says he doesn't know who he was referring to. But if you were on a Zoom call with Israeli officials after you said that you were leaving the pro-Israel cause — and Rabbi Wiki confirmed, by the way, he was the only one who told the truth; everyone else was like, "This call was just daisies and it was about prepping." Rabbi Wiki actually said, "Yeah, it got a little contentious. Charlie was playing devil's advocate, pushing back, asking us about Gaza." If all of that is to be believed — because I said, "Why would Charlie just send you 'they are going to kill me' with no context?" — well, the context might have been: Andrew, in reference to the Zoom call that you were on when this message was sent. You're on the phone, things aren't going well, you text to someone, "It's not going well, they're going to kill me." That might have been the "they."
If I was using my context clues, if I was in an English class and they said, "Who is the 'they' that he is referencing in this moment?" — it would be who he was currently on the Zoom call with.
Frank Turek's account of the Zoom call
Here's Frank Turek describing who was on the call.
Frank Turek: "So the next day we had a meeting — a Zoom meeting — with a couple of people in Israel and a couple of people in the room and another person, an expert on Israel in the United States. And we were asking them — and Charlie was asking them — 'Tell me your perspective on what's going on with Hamas now and the Israeli situation. Tell me, I want to be better able to answer questions when I get questions on this.'"
"So contrary to popular opinion — some popular opinion — that Charlie was giving up on Israel, that's not true. He was trying to prepare himself to know the facts and be better able to answer those questions. This is the day before he was murdered. We're in this meeting. I'm in the meeting with him. So the next day we get up, we fly up to Utah, and he actually — we had to stop to do a presentation to a group of restaurateurs because his cousin was a restaurateur and said, 'Charlie, come speak to my group of restaurant owners.'"
Owens challenges the "tongue-in-cheek" framing
Candace Owens: So there is what we have Frank telling us — the story that Charlie had written this text message, said that he was abandoning the pro-Israel cause, that he wanted to bring Candace back. They tried to turn this into some tongue-in-cheek text message. It wasn't that. Andrew did not tell me it was that. Andrew clearly was concerned enough about being on this text thread that he sent it to Joe Kent when asked about threats, and he thought this message was relevant enough to send to Tulsi Gabbard's office to investigate further. It was not tongue-in-cheek.
Because when I asked Erika about this message, she didn't say it was tongue-in-cheek. Charlie was angry. Then we have from Rabbi Wiki that he kept up that energy. He said in various interviews — you can go back, we have shown this — he was the only one who told the truth that this call was not some peachy "we just want some debating talking points." Even when he spoke to the New York Post, he said, quote, he was working out talking points, playing the role of devil's advocate, pushing on these issues, trying to sharpen the iron. He was in a combative mood, he recalled, but that was good because he was preparing for debates and preparing for attacks. And like I said, we showed you a clip of him discussing this call, and he was clear: Charlie was upset on this call. He was done with the pro-Israel cause.
This is not something Erika denied or tried to clean up or tried to present to me in our four-hour meeting as tongue-in-cheek. He was angry. He was upset with the pastors. It was something that was happening slowly and then happened very quickly.
So there are one of two versions of this that you can believe. That Charlie sends this message, he is upset and angry, he says he will no longer be bullied, he has donors who have just taken millions of dollars from him the day before threatening him, he says he's no longer going to be bullied and that he is abandoning the pro-Israel cause — and that after that they had this wonderful peachy meeting, and for some reason 47 minutes or so into this meeting Charlie's like, "I'm worried the left is going to kill me," and then he sends Andrew a message saying "they're going to kill me," and then he sends Dan Flood a message saying "they're going to kill me," but he really meant the left — while he's on this phone call with Israeli officials. And mind you, in Israel it's 4:00 in the morning.
That seems to me like this was an emergency call about Charlie's statements in the group. That's what it feels like to me. My common sense tells me that people, when you want to set up a call, don't say "4:00 a.m. in the morning, not urgent." Charlie knows how to debate. He's smarter than every single person on that call. He needs Blake Neff and Frank Turek and Andrew Kolvet helping him fashion his debate skills? Or is this an intervention? Charlie is done with the pro-Israel cause. He is pushing back on them. He's always going to be polite — it's Charlie. Whatever happened on that call, he's side-texting Andrew Kolvet and he says "they're going to kill me." Andrew then later tells me that text message but says he doesn't know who "they" is. He tells me about the Dan Flood message and he tells me that he doesn't know who "they" is. Never once in our communications did Andrew Kolvet say that Charlie said "the left."
And like I said, you can bet that I am telling the truth, because had Charlie said "the left" to both Andrew and Dan Flood, that would have been the front-page headline story as they were shoving down our throats that this was about trans issues. Okay, this is the group that sells out everything — Charlie writes anything that's in his personal diary, nice notes, anything — bloody mics. If they could have sold to the public that the left had done this, they would have provided that message not to a chain-smoking idiot but to what they deem to be a respectable publication to push out that narrative.
Instead, they denied. They denied. They denied. And then Erika went and did her PR blitz — "Stop, just stop." She mentions Fort Wachuka. She says, "Stop, just stop," looks at the camera. That backfires and she goes on the Glenn Beck show. He tees her up with a question. "I have his phone. Nope. We can shut that down. Candace has been lying to you. Everything Candace told you." However, in the first three weeks after they gaslit, they then had to come out and admit it was true.
I told you about the Hamptons. I told you about Bibi Netanyahu's call. I told you about the text message leaving the pro-Israel cause, which they denied until I dropped it. I told you about two messages that he received the night before — go back, watch it. They denied that as well. They are the ones who keep having to admit to the truth. I haven't changed my story. I haven't changed my story about what happened, and I'm going to stick to it.
And like I said, those messages did not say "the left." So Turning Point USA would like to come out and clarify that those messages are real and that those messages on Telegram were not edited in any way to include the little line about the left? I'd like to hear it straight from your mouth. Because I have it on very good authority that the message was sent to Dan Flood on iMessage, not on Telegram. And I trust nothing that you guys say because you have lied so many times and your stories are all running into each other.
Again, it was not smart to release those messages with timestamps, because now you have to explain why Charlie felt the need to send messages about his security and his fear of dying while he was on a call with Israel — 4:00 in the morning, Israel time. Clear and absolute nonsense.
Charlie's behavior the night before — stress or excitement?
I can't get over a rabbi, a priest, and a pastor — all people that Charlie saw the night before he died. That sounds like the beginning of a joke. That sounds to me like panic. It sounds like an intervention. It sounds like Charlie was done. And then we're supposed to believe that after this, after sending that he thought he was going to die — not expressing this to his wife — he went home and was just so excited. So excited about an event that he does for a living. This is what Charlie does for a living. But this was like never before. He just could not sleep. Was rustling around. Woke up his daughter.
Or Charlie was stressed out because he thought they were going to kill him. Again, you get to decide which narrative makes more sense. His daughter just woke up at 3 o'clock in the morning because Charlie was just so excited. You know how much I've traveled with Charlie to do events? Charlie being so excited he cannot sleep the night before doing a college event — I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I'm going to call on that, Erika.
And when I noticed these lozenges on the ground of his car — a lot of little lozenges all around, it looks like perhaps Nate Walker picked them up, we see the bag, it's not an Uber bag, it looks like they went to some sort of a convenience store — I gather that Charlie's throat was hurting him from the lozenges that were littered across the SUV that he was in. And that makes me think that at some point Charlie might have been shouting the night before. I'm just putting together my context clues of everything that I've seen and what I think happened. I think Charlie was shouting. I think Charlie didn't sleep because, as he expressed, he was worried that they were going to kill him. And I've got to tell you, I don't think "they" was the furry community. That's where I'm at.
Maybe you could share some more messages, Erika. Apparently he didn't open up to you. And your Kolvet didn't tell you, and your best friend Kash Patel didn't tell you that he had these messages that he sent the night before — for you wanting your little PR blitz to lie to the public. Well, we'll keep turning up the heat. We can keep doing that. No problem doing that.
Viewer comments
Anyway, top comments from yesterday's episode. Ally writes: "Notice how all the normal people are sprinting because they think there is an active shooter, yet Charlie's friends stand, record themselves, and then take camera footage." Yeah, some people it's fight, some people it's flight, some people it's secure the SD cards. Everybody knows that. I learned that in health class.
Simon Reigns writes: "So they had to lock down the hats from the thieves, but the $100,000 SUVs were sitting there open and ready to drive." Yeah, some security.
Also, it's interesting that Brian Harpole's claim — as he told Shawn Rhinest, should have pulled it from the episode — was that Charlie had no fears the night before. But now Turning Point USA is disputing that. They're now saying that he did have fears and communicated them to his security team. That registers to me as incompetence. You're suing me for saying the security team is incompetent. Well, why wasn't that expressed to everybody on the team? He said, "I don't want anyone allegedly to leave my side," and then the person on him goes upstairs with his assistant. That registers to me as a security failure, as incompetence. So I'm going to stand by my opinion that the security team was incompetent.
It's weird that they didn't even put him on the ground after he got hit. Did you know that they put him onto the giant travel kit — the travel suitcase for the AV stuff? Charlie, when he goes down, his body is never laid on the ground. It is laid on top of one of those suitcases that tech people carry all their material in. Weird. That seems incompetent to me. You lay somebody flat — you don't put them on a travel suitcase for tech.
Anyway, we have just been getting into some stuff that we are releasing. You know that we've been working with the Vulnerable People Project. They have a new documentary and we have it up on our website. It is called Inside the Vatican's Secret Deal with China. In 2018, the Vatican entered a secretive deal with the Chinese Communist Party. The idea was to make things better for the Chinese Christians that the CCP was oppressing. But since then, it's only gotten worse. Bishops are disappearing in China. Priests are forced to submit to an officially atheistic government. Worst of all, Beijing is appointing its own loyalist bishops, ignoring the Pope's directions. This dark secret deal doesn't just compromise Catholics in China — it binds and silences the whole church. Even Pope Leo himself has nervously refused to comment on it when asked on camera. Pope Leo inherited this deal, of course, but Pope Leo can end it and make sure that it's never renewed. The Vulnerable People Project covers all of this in the newest documentary, entitled Inside the Vatican's Secret Deal with China, available on our website.
Now we can get to your comments from today's episode. True Detective writes: "Whenever I felt down on myself, I would watch reruns of To Catch a Predator. Now, when I need encouragement, I just watch 10-second clips of Frank Turek, Andrew Wilson, and Erika Kirk, and realize life could be so much worse. I could have gone the way of Judas. Also, FaceTime, Pickle Jar, and Glitter Pants are the worst nicknames to have in prison." That's very funny. Andrew Wilson is just — like I said, bottom of the barrel now. Whoever is willing to lie to the public, they will team up with. And like I said, it reflects where they are at. They are not behaving honestly. They are lying repeatedly — especially Blake Neff. There's nobody that gets community-noted faster for trying to lie to the public about various aspects of this case, lying about who Charlie was friends with. And like I said, you sense a desperation in Blake's and Andrew's lies now. It's insane to say Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk were not friends. That is an insane thing to say and it can only be uttered out of sheer desperation to try to get a handle on the narrative.
Scotty Thrive Tribe writes: "Does anybody have a definitive list of missing evidence? Example: the body cam discovering the rifle and towel, the body cam of Tyler asking a cop a question, the surveillance of the first cop approaching the screwdriver, the necklace, the glasses that were recording, the camera behind Charlie, TPUSA text." No, I think we just created one. That's good. We'll keep that. You know I love a list. You know I love to organize a list. I can put it on my official timeline. Deeply upset some people. Why is it on the timeline? Because it's mine. I like to say organized. It's my timeline.
James the Least writes: "Blake has been entirely truthful about one thing — that Mikey is bubbly." I don't know anything that Blake has been truthful about. But Charlie — I can tell you I don't believe he liked Blake, but he did like Mikey. I can tell you that for a fact. He had a relationship with Mikey. And I think that Mikey was the most uncomfortable, and they sensed a weakness in Mikey from the beginning, and that's why they were constantly reassuring him with all these adjectives. I think Mikey knows more than he has communicated. And look, I know more than I've communicated, and it's all going to come out. It is.
Joey Wright writes: "Hey, Candace, regarding Charlie's SUV — I remember when they pulled up to UVU, Charlie's SUV pulled forward and got out to the right of where the SUVs were parked because that's where Charlie Kirk meets the mountain man. So maybe after Charlie Kirk got out, someone backed the SUV in." Yes, I believe that's on camera and it is Chris who backs the SUV in while Charlie walks forward with Frank and other security guard members. I think he walks forward with Blake Heriff. And Dan Flood is definitely with him as well.
Talks with Tiff writes: "Hi, Candace. I know you get a ton of emails, but did you get my email with the UVU documents for event planning? The documents show TPUSA rejecting EMS asking for three parking spots as close to the courtyard as possible." I did not get that, and if you could resend, that would be very helpful. I will go look for that. And you are correct — my source was solid on the fact that Turning Point USA insisted on being outdoor despite them advising that there was no traffic control, meaning that we wouldn't be able to look at people's tickets. That is now stunning given the text messages that Turning Point USA purports to be real. That Charlie was afraid — let's take it at face value. Let's say he said "the left" to Dan Flood. They had an outdoor event, an open event, while Charlie was scared for his life. That seems weird. No ticket control. No people behind sitting in the audience. No security. That's interesting. I would say security failed him on that day.
K. Willis writes: "I'm thinking Blake Neff, Andrew Kolvet, and those others are terrified, and that is why they are behaving the way they are — because they could be next since this information is coming out." I would be terrified if I were them as well, because lies have an expiration date. The truth doesn't. And they're lying. They are lying without question. Why they are lying, we don't know.
Sarah writes: "So that security crew photo is their pre-deployment photo. I think it should be the 'these guys failed to complete their mission successfully' photo — I meant the mission that Charlie was paying them to achieve, my bad." Yeah, that photo looks like it's being taken on the Hall of Flags up there. I don't know when it was taken, but you can see obviously that Chris is not in it — the person who was on Charlie. So we can assume it was taken earlier in the morning.
"Here, I don't know how to say this last name" writes: "It's like Charlie saw the walls closing in and just wanted to go back to the good old days of being brutally honest about everything with his big sister, Candace, by his side on tour. Rest in peace, Charlie." Yes. And that was not the only attempt to downplay the message of him saying he was leaving the pro-Israel cause. That was not the only message that Charlie sent that day. He sent a message to other people at Turning Point USA saying that he wanted me back for AmFest, and he made that very clear to them. It was a directive. It was not a suggestion. And like I said, they're hiding all of this stuff. Because why? You tell me. You fill in the blank. Why do people lie? Well, the answer is they're always lying because they're scared of the truth being revealed. What is the truth that they are scared of having revealed?
Lastly, Brooke writes: "Sending my love from Houston. Stay strong, stay blessed, and keep fighting for truth." Thank you guys. We are only at this point because of your patience, because of your steady interest, because of you guys not letting this go, because of all of the investigators, smaller YouTube channels, bigger YouTube channels, coming together and saying that this is an evil that cannot stand. I just thank you guys for your support.