Candace Owens covers the Evergreen High School shooting, the Fort Wachuka alibi photo, and a Hollywood AI deepfake company's ties to Turning Point USA
Candace Owens hosts a solo episode of her podcast examining several ongoing threads in her investigation into Charlie Kirk's death and the Turning Point USA organization.
Summary
Candace Owens covers three main topics in this episode. First, she revisits Victor Marx's ties to Israel and his run for governor of Colorado, connecting his IDF contacts to early knowledge of Charlie Kirk's death. Second, she examines the September 10th shooting at Evergreen High School in Colorado — which occurred at almost the exact same time as the Kirk shooting — and details a series of anomalies that local parents and residents found troubling, including an unidentified 911 caller, door-to-door protocol violations by mutual aid officers, and an unverifiable alibi for the school resource officer. Third, she reveals the name of a Hollywood AI deepfake company, VFX LA, that Turning Point USA met with after Charlie's death, raising questions about whether AI voice cloning or deepfake video technology was used to produce the statement in which Charlie allegedly appointed Erika Kirk as his successor.
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Opening: Victor Marx, Colorado, and the IDF connection
Candace Owens: Happy Tuesday, you guys. I'm just going to ask the question that's on my mind, which is: what goes on in Colorado?
A few of you had suggested that we may have kicked the hornet's nest somehow when we began speaking about Victor Marx — his alleged ties to Israel, the story we heard from Corby Hall, his inexplicable relationship to Erika. That's when all of these random attacks kind of started up against me and my family, as though they were leveling up to distract us. Trump suddenly posting my face on Time magazine calling me the most vile person of the year. Really? Jeffrey Epstein didn't deserve that honor? They then sent out Laura Loomer. Yeah, let's not lose focus.
Colorado, where Victor Marx is currently running for governor, is a beautiful state — actually ranked, I believe, the healthiest state in the union. The state is also rich in the wrong kind of American history. There was, in fact, another shooting that took place on September 10th that we should briefly discuss.
Also, we finally received the name of the Hollywood deepfake company that we can confirm Turning Point USA was meeting with following Charlie's tragic passing. We're going to show you what this company is capable of and I'm going to allow you to draw your own conclusions.
And lastly, the admission from Paramount Tactical's Gary Melton that one of the children in Erika's Fort Wachuka alibi photo is not hers is not a subtle admission — because it looks like the internet was right again.
Welcome back to Candace. I still have a lot of questions about Victor Marx. I went off to Italy to do my confirmation, got distracted. I had mentioned to you that despite him doing all those public posts about me, he didn't respond to my Instagram message. And then he did — I just checked today and he did while I was in Italy. He finally answered. So I'm going to set a time — or at least attempt to set a time — for him to appear on the show and answer some questions.
Question number one I probably have is: why was Victor Marx the first documented public person to do a video announcing that Charlie had passed, long before the President of the United States or anybody else? Who was it that told him that Charlie was dead? We may or may not get a solid answer to that, but it certainly registered to me as odd.
Also, when and how did he get so close to Erika Kirk? So close, in fact, that he was in her immediate circle of comfort after her husband was brutally murdered in front of the entire world. As soon as she flew back home to Arizona, he was there to offer her a hug — in her home, I might add, her personal space. And I have since learned that at some point Charlie and Victor Marx had a real falling out. The reason I'm not sure, but it was apparently bad enough, according to insiders at Turning Point USA, that Charlie and Victor actually stopped following one another on social media for a period of time. So I'll ask rhetorically: when and why and how did Erika remain or become so close to Victor Marx? Because on the basis of the stories that we've heard about him — some of them from Victor himself — he seems to me to be a bit dangerous, a tad unstable, if I may. I don't really buy his pastoral act for one minute.
We checked, and it appears that the last time Victor Marx had done anything publicly with Charlie — appeared on Charlie's show — it was in October of 2023. What happened in October of 2023? Victor Marx appeared on the Charlie Kirk show to provide Charlie with frontline reporting from, you guessed it, Israel, right after October 7th. Yes, naturally. Victor Marx went straight there despite its heightened security state. Due to his contacts in the IDF, he was able to get there. Don't believe me? Take a listen to Victor.
Victor Marx: Victor, you are live in Israel — give us a frontline report. I can tell you right now it's worse than anyone can imagine. Today I was at the festival field. They're not allowing anyone on yet, but the relationships that we have with special forces commanders here, with the IDF, are extensive, and they are taking us to places so that we can tell the world — and America especially — what has happened.
Candace Owens: I haven't exactly hunted down this rumor, but I did receive a few tips into our inbox that that is the reason some pastors knew Charlie was dead before somebody else — because of their contacts in the IDF. Again, I need to chase down those leads. But they have pretty good intel. Certainly Israeli intelligence may have known first somehow. Wonder why they were interested. Who knows?
Anyway, is it fair — at least after listening to that — to suggest that Corby Hall might have been telling the truth about Victor Marx potentially doing some work trying to secure weaponry on behalf of Israel, on behalf of the IDF? Allegedly, maybe. I think it's a fair assumption.
Now we know Victor is running for governor of Colorado, inspired by, according to him, Charlie's untimely death. Something overtook him. He had to do something, and that something was to run for governor of Colorado.
The September 10th Evergreen High School shooting
Colorado is interesting for a lot of reasons. For those of you who do not live here, we Americans recognize it as sadly the birthplace of school shootings. No one could forget Columbine. I was very young and it still feels so raw, so shocking. I remember crowding around the big bulky screen TV waiting for information to come through the mainstream media.
Beyond that, not too far away in Aurora, Colorado, there was one of the more infamous mass shootings — the Batman-themed shooting when The Dark Knight came out. It took place in a theater. And we shouldn't forget that Erika Kirk's friend was there at the shooting in the movie theater. Erika seems to have bad luck that way when it comes to shootings. We can make an educated guess as to who that friend was, but we still don't know for certain that person's identity or how they were involved.
Now, regarding Colorado — we also know that Charlie was supposed to be in Colorado the next day, September 11th, immediately following UVU. His next event, which was for some reason barely publicized, was to take place at Caris Bible College on September 11th. We broke that story, and we also broke the story that a security plan was not put in place for that event, which is remarkable. Brian Harpole has all but confirmed our reporting in his court filing against me. Look at what he wrote regarding Caris Bible. He said:
"According to Owens's supposed tipster, there was 'no security plan in place at Caris Bible College,' claiming that it was odd that Harpole's team planned Kirk's security strategy for Utah Valley University two weeks in advance but failed to contact the chief of police for Woodland, Colorado to plan security for Caris Bible College."
Owens specifically asked: "Why didn't Dan Flood and Brian Harpole and Turning Point USA's security have any coordination with police departments up in Colorado if this is what they normally do?"
Then they put in parenthesis: Harpole did not coordinate with Caris Bible College nor the Woodland Police Department because he was not advised that Charlie would be visiting the school. It was not uncommon for Charlie to visit universities with only Dan Flood.
Really? I think they just keep forgetting that I went on tour with Charlie for three years. That is uncommon. I don't know if it's happened. I'm sure maybe we're going to find out in court if it's happened, but it certainly would be described as uncommon — where there would just be one person in security at a college event and he had no idea. You've been with Charlie for years. You had no idea that was his next stop. That still strikes me as odd. Doesn't matter if you put it in a filing. Doesn't make it suddenly clear.
I'm going to show you guys this blurb in the local media in Colorado, seven days after Charlie died on September 17th, clarifying and confirming that he was in fact due to speak there the next day. It says: "The college had planned to host Kirk one day after Wednesday's first stop of his American Comeback Tour at Utah Valley University, where he was shot and killed while answering a question from an audience member." Woodland Park honors his legacy.
I should mention, by the way, the founder of Caris Bible College is a man named Andrew Wac. And you're thinking — is he former military? Of course. Don't be silly. Grow up. There are military ties everywhere.
After Caris Bible, Charlie was due to meet up with Erika at Colorado State University, which is situated at Fort Collins. Erika confirmed that in her sit-down with Jesse Watters, but he never made it to either one of those events.
The Turning Point USA plane departing Denver before the shooting
Something else about Colorado that's interesting is that one of the planes that Turning Point USA uses — more specifically, the plane that Charlie himself used for basically all of 2023, right after Mikey McCoy becomes chief of staff — this plane, tail number N582MM, Charlie begins using all through 2025. It was really only towards the end that he switched to the other plane he used that day. But his plane was initially this one that he was using to go to every event all across the country.
On the day of Charlie's assassination, we know Charlie did not take that plane to Provo, but someone did. Someone known to Turning Point USA most certainly did take that plane, N582MM, and they got to Provo eventually after the shooting. I'm going to tell you its flights that day in general.
Again, this used to be Charlie's main plane, N582MM. It is still tied to Paradise Jets, which the other plane is tied to as well — the one he did take that day. You can see that 25 minutes before Charlie was shot, the plane departs Denver, Colorado, at 11:58 a.m. Mountain time. Then it heads to a military base in Pierre, South Dakota. South Dakota is one of my Egyptian plane stops. It lands at 12:56 p.m. Mountain time. So it departs 25 minutes before Charlie gets shot from Denver, Colorado, and then it lands in Pierre, South Dakota, about 23 minutes after Charlie was shot.
Then whoever is aboard that plane — a person known to Turning Point USA — stayed in South Dakota for about 50 minutes before heading onward to Chicago, Illinois for what looks like a pickup, and then went straight to Provo, Utah, landing at 6:57 p.m. That plane then stays overnight. I want to again stress: this plane is known to Turning Point USA. Somebody aboard that plane knows Charlie. After it stayed overnight in Provo on September 10th, it then went back to Pierre, South Dakota. Again, nothing there really — we're in the Dakotas — other than the military base.
Anyway, Colorado just routinely comes up in this story. I'm just interested in what goes on in Colorado. And it would definitively be interesting to know who, affiliated with Turning Point USA, was aboard that plane from Denver that took off 25 minutes before Charlie got shot, headed for a military base.
The Evergreen High School shooting: anomalies and unanswered questions
Switching gears here — same topic, really. You may remember that on September 10th, at almost the exact same time — down to the minute — that Charlie was shot, there was another shooting in Colorado at a high school: Evergreen High School. And it sort of disappeared from the national media cycle. Of course, local media stayed on this somewhat, but not to the satisfaction of the parents at the school. I received a flurry of emails. Parents were not satisfied, were requesting information, were not getting information. I didn't really have time to look into it, but I do think it's worth discussing so that you know what happened.
The official story is that a 16-year-old student who attended Evergreen High School named Desmond Holly showed up to school with a Smith and Wesson .38 special revolver at 12:21 — two minutes before Charlie. He shot a 14-year-old student at close range while still inside the school. Then Desmond leaves the school building, crosses the football field, and comes across a second student. That student's name is Matthew Silverstone. He shoots him at close range — once in the head, I believe, also in the chest — at the intersection of South Olive Road and Buffalo Park Road.
A roofer, a man named Delmare Martinez, filmed this initial confrontation. In Martinez's footage, Holly is holding Matthew Silverstone by the neck, shoots him, then proceeds up the driveway. Delmare's video captures deputies shouting commands like "Drop the gun," and one deputy stays behind to provide aid to Matthew Silverstone while remaining law enforcement officers follow the shooter up the driveway. When the officers and Desmond Holly had both moved out of frame, out of the view of the roofer's camera, a final shot rings out — not captured by the camera. It was Desmond shooting himself. The sheriff's office has since confirmed that only the deputies were witnesses to Holly shooting himself after they gave their commands.
Here are just a couple of things that locals and parents at the school found immediately odd about the shooting. They have very recently — within the last few days — done a massive document dump, which people will have to go through and confirm. But I can tell you some things off the bat.
One of the greater mysteries of the story is the first 911 call. I'm quoting from an email I received. One detail, she writes, that has never been publicly clarified is who actually made the first 911 call and from where that call was placed. The call came in at 12:22 — a full minute after the first shot was fired. The description given to the dispatcher was unnervingly calm and measured. They said: "Something bad is going on a half mile south of Evergreen Lake." This is a geographic reference rather than a direct report of gunshots from someone inside the building. The caller's identity, the type of device used, and the precise location the call originated from have never been publicly disclosed.
That registers to me as strange. I'm going to agree with this person that that's just — what do you mean? That's a very strange call. Why are you not disclosing who that came in from?
Number two — another odd thing: the general response. This woman writes: "During the response to the Evergreen shooting, officers from mutual aid jurisdictions — just coming in from other jurisdictions — who arrived on scene went door-to-door knocking and verbally identifying themselves as police and SWAT and asking teachers and students to open up. That is the opposite of what the established lockdown protocol requires."
The correct procedure — the one that has been the standard since Columbine — is that students and teachers stay behind locked doors no matter what. You do not open for anyone. Law enforcement uses school-provided keys to enter. You do not open the door, period. Not for anybody knocking, not even for someone saying they're a cop.
The Jefferson County Sheriff's Office actually acknowledged this in their October 10th update and said that Jefferson County's deputies followed the protocol correctly, and it was the outside mutual aid officers from neighboring agencies who started going door to door asking people to open up. The sheriff's office specifically credited the teachers and students for doing the right thing by ignoring those requests and staying locked.
The sheriff's public explanation essentially places the blame on inter-agency coordination without naming which agency specifically sent the door-knocking officers, or which agents specifically, or whether any accountability followed. It's notable that Evergreen High School is located in the same county where the Columbine High School massacre occurred. The entire foundation of modern school lockdown protocol nationwide was structured upon the post-Columbine era of school safety training. The blueprint for standard protocol that started 26 years ago with Columbine was created and built largely around this particular county's experience. Why aren't we revealing who went door to door, knocked, and said, "I'm a police officer, open up"?
Another odd detail regarding the roofer who captured the footage of the scuffle — which eventually led to the suicide of the shooter, but he missed the suicide of the shooter. He also says he didn't see the suicide of the shooter. Delmare Martinez's story is that he was working a local roofing job and was either coming from or going to his lunch break. But his story about how he captured the footage — 10 minutes of footage, which at no point shows Desmond Holly's suicide, just the police officers and the scuffle and rendering aid to Matthew Silverstone — is odd. Take a listen to the story that he tells on the news.
News Reporter: In that moment, I didn't know how to react. It's a feeling families, students, and the Evergreen community share as they grapple with emotions and questions in the days since the shooting at Evergreen High School.
Delmare Martinez: I got out of the car and started to film.
News Reporter: For Delmare Martinez, it's grappling with what he witnessed and caught on camera as the tragedy unfolded.
Delmare Martinez: I realized later that this was a bigger issue.
News Reporter: Martinez tells CBS Colorado he and another coworker were working a roofing job in Evergreen. They were driving along Buffalo Park Road near Olive Road when a police officer sped past them and got out of their car.
Delmare Martinez: It was there where we saw a young person fighting. He came out holding another student by the neck and the police was saying something for him to stop. And so the student shot at the other teen and threw him. He threw him to the ground.
News Reporter: Martinez started recording while they were stopped on the side of the road.
Delmare Martinez: Police didn't know how to react — whether to attend to the teen on the ground or follow the other one.
News Reporter: Videos shared by Martinez show what happened after he says the teen suspect shot the other student. Other officers quickly arrived on scene and one of them followed the suspect up a dirt driveway.
Delmare Martinez: He went off. He went off walking about 10 meters.
News Reporter: Officers appeared to tell the suspect to put his weapon down. That's when Martinez says he heard a gunshot.
Delmare Martinez: Everything lasted about 10 minutes.
News Reporter: We've blurred out the right side of the video where another officer was performing first aid. We wanted to leave, but there wasn't anywhere we could go.
Delmare Martinez: We didn't realize until 5:30 that we were filming something that was a lot more serious. I was scared. It didn't cross my mind to help.
News Reporter: But he gives credit to the police for doing everything they could in that moment to try to get to the scene and deescalate the situation.
Candace Owens: Right off the bat — maybe that will all check out — but right off the bat when I heard this story, I'm like: wait, a police officer sped past you and pulled over, and you just pulled over too? I've heard of rubbernecking, but I have genuinely never heard of a police officer speeding past you, pulling over, and you going, "I'm just going to pull over too and start filming." Okay, interesting.
But the next part is actually even more odd. He mentions the fact that he's a roofer and that he was working a job in Evergreen. It's a very tight-knit community. Locals who were very interested in this began searching and they could not determine what house he and his co-workers were working on or what contractor they were working for. It is required by law — you can't just go roofing without legally filing for a permit to do work with the city and/or the town. Everywhere I've ever lived, that is the circumstance. And certainly they confirmed it is the law there. So they should be able to do a quick permit search in Evergreen and say, "Oh, they were working on Joe's house down the street and went on their lunch break." Can't find anything. They researched every house in Evergreen to see which house he was working on. Can't determine it. And journalists seem uninterested in determining that answer as well. Seems like a lead that should be chased.
Lastly, a point that's odd about this story — and there are many. The school resource officer. Obviously you know Corby Hall — that was the interest with Victor Marx, he wanted to put a full AR into the hands of every school resource officer. Well, Evergreen High School did have a full-time school resource officer position, but the deputy assigned to that role happened to be on medical leave at the time of the shooting. So a different deputy — whose primary assignment was actually another high school nine miles away, Conifer High School — was filling in part-time. He was working as the school officer for both Conifer High School and Evergreen. He was the only one on duty the day of the shooting.
Initially, the reporting came out and said that the SRO deputy left Evergreen campus around 10:30 a.m. because he was responding to a nearby traffic crash, and so he was off campus when the shooting started at 12:21. Now, this reporting turned out to be inaccurate. They had to make adjustments. The sheriff's office revised this and said: no, actually what happened was the deputy had started his morning at Conifer, then made the drive to Evergreen, stayed at Evergreen for about an hour, then drove back to Conifer, then was dispatched from Conifer High School to a car crash. While en route to that car crash, the call came in about the Evergreen shooting, and he turned around and started heading toward Evergreen.
That's another lead that hasn't been followed up on, because nobody can find this alleged crash that he got dispatched to. The location of the crash he was originally dispatched to was never publicly released. Anything confirming that information has not been found by people who are around the clock working to confirm these details. There's been no coverage about a crash that took place. No crash report number, no location, no other parties involved. It was reported but never independently corroborated.
So there are a lot of reasons why people are not feeling confident in what happened at another shooting in Colorado. And the fact that it took place so close to the Charlie Kirk shooting is of interest. Again, it could have nothing to do with the Charlie Kirk shooting. It could just be an unhappy coincidence. But we had received enough emails about it — especially when we started bringing up Victor Marx and Colorado in general — that I thought, let me just introduce this to a more national audience who may not have been paying attention to it. Like I said, there has recently been a huge document dump. Let's hope it provides more clarity.
The Fort Wachuka alibi photo: Gary Melton's admission
All right, you guys. Just want to shout out this person in the chat. Miami2388 writes: "I feel so validated about the fake picture. I have been screaming since it was released."
Let me back up and tell you what she's referring to. I touched upon it briefly yesterday, but during the Fort Wachuka madness — when I was really just focused on Brian Harpole maybe being at this meeting on the 9th, less focused on why Erika may have been at a hotel — what kind of exploded the Fort Wachuka story was this unnecessary coordination that was discovered between Andrew Kolvet, who was supposed to have been moved away from PR because he was failing miserably at it. They brought in crisis PR — at least that's what Erika told me. And Erika coordinating with Andrew Kolvet to get an alibi for Fort Wachuka to this obscure YouTuber, Paramount Tactical's Gary Melton, who says he's a former Green Beret.
It was very weird that they were coordinating with this guy in general, when everything was good between us at that time. They could have just emailed me and said, "Hey, I saw you saw this guy Mitch. He thought Erika was here. Here's her alibi. Here's where she was actually on the 8th and the 9th." So when this moment was discovered — and we can get ready to pull in this clip — it was quite shocking to see that they were coordinating. We have Erika and Andrew Kolvet coordinating with Paramount Tactical, and they wanted to keep that on the down-low. Of course, because Gary's brain is not firing very quickly, he accidentally read the alibi live on air. Take a listen to Gary on his thought-provoking show.
Gary Melton: I asked him, "Hey, do you have proof of this?" He says, "But it's worth saying Erika wasn't in some fort in Tucson. The internet's gone insane. She woke up next to Charlie on the night. Went to the office with Charlie all day. Woke him up from a nap before a Fox hit. Went to dinner with Charlie. Literally, people are lunatics." And then the next one — I will show you guys that one right here. We have this one and then I'll show you an up-close picture with the metadata that we have on the screen itself. Proof she was with her kids at 8:33 a.m. Pacific time — which, again, in September, Arizona's on Pacific time. Pacific time. Pacific time. Taking them for a walk. Apparently I wasn't supposed to share that, but anyways — point being, that's 8:33 a.m. It shows the date on that. Sorry, Andrew. I screwed that up, man. I was trying to run a podcast and do everything else. But again, it's proof of what's going on here. And I'm going to share the final screen, the final picture that shows the metadata for this — that she was indeed with the kids. I keep hitting the wrong button. You guys can see that says right at the top: September 9th, 8:33 a.m. Case closed. Case closed.
Candace Owens: He's doing his best. He's doing his best. So we get to this moment and you're going, "Wait a second." A lot of things happening here that are weird. But you could see Andrew is very clear — this is her alibi for the 9th. He also says, which was very strange and I ended up texting both him and Justin Streiff after this, that Erika was at the office all day with Charlie. She wasn't on the 9th. She has never made that claim publicly. Actually, the exact opposite is what she tells Jesse Watters — that Charlie was in the office all day. So she was not with him on the 9th.
The 9th was not ever really in question. I wasn't even really questioning whether Erika Kirk may have had some business at Fort Wachuka. Her parents are in the military. She may have just gone to a hotel for a reason. Who knows? But this moment made us go, "Hmm, this is weird."
And instantly, people like Miami in the chat began making videos saying those aren't her kids. The son is supposed to be 16 months. These are not Erika Kirk's kids — by the way, because critical thinking does not seem to be something Gary Melton is able to do. This is no indication, even if these were her kids and she was covering their faces, that Erika Kirk was with them. It's a photo of the kids by themselves. This could be taken by a daddy. Daddy could have taken them somewhere and sent you the photo. Can you say any photo of the kids? This is not proof of anything.
But the thing I want you to focus on is they said "kids." Andrew said, "Here is proof she is with her kids." And they did try to pass off the idea that this was Erika's kids. I looked at the photo. I'm an expert at toddler hands, toddler everything. I've got an extra-tall kid. This was very clearly, at the very least, not her son. But I abstained completely from that until I received information from people who would know — who know the kids very well — and said, "Not only is that not her son, it's not her daughter." And I said, "You're saying this is just somebody else's kids, full stop."
I was not willing to allege that. I also just feel a sense of ick when kids are being used in an alibi. I don't want to spotlight children, have people looking for them — it just all felt like I'm going to abstain from it. I knew deep down that at the very least that isn't her son, and I was hearing from someone that it isn't her daughter either. But I was going to abstain from it until Gary Melton did what Gary does best. He's the greatest PR firm — not for Turning Point USA, but for the people. He doesn't mean to be. He's confirmed so many things by accident.
He confirmed that Mitch was at Fort Wachuka when he brought on Mitch's son, because they were going to crush me with his past — "oh, he's a terrible father, so don't listen, it doesn't even matter if Brian Harpole was there or Erika was there, look at what a terrible guy Mitch is." And then Mitch's son confirmed that he got a phone call on that day because the police were called, and they reached out to him and asked him questions about his dad. So Gary also accidentally confirmed that Mitch was at Fort Wachuka, which is another hilarious moment brought to you by Paramount — not so tactical, it turns out.
So anyway, Gary tweeted this a couple of days ago because people have been pushing and insisting these are not her kids. Someone wrote: "Is her son this big yet or am I still stuck in the future with Charlie's apparent five-year-old?" And Paramount Gary finally responds and says: "It's not her son. It's her daughter with another child."
Mystery solved. Okay, don't gaslight us. You were the people who introduced this. Even if it were her actual children, it would not have been a sufficient answer. It would not have satisfied interest as to whether she was with her kids. Anybody can take a photo of your children and send it to you. Secondly, you presented this as concrete proof — case closed — that Erika was with her children. Andrew says, "Here she is with the kids." Now, suddenly the internet has not let go of the fact that they don't think these are Erika's kids, and you're now finally conceding and saying, "Okay, well, maybe we went too big on the kid. It's not her son. We admit."
So it's not proof of the kids, full stop. And it's not proof that Erika is with her kids. Again — why? Why are they being so weird? Why are they constantly adjusting, telling lies, gaslighting, being inconsistent, working behind the scenes to get out something that I was happy to just go ahead and debunk? Like I said, I was like, 40/60, maybe you saw her, maybe you didn't. Even if you did see her, doesn't mean Erika was doing anything weird. She lives in Arizona. She has a family that's involved militarily. That's not weird. It would not be weird unless you make it weird. Unless you start telling lies. That is what makes people not trust the Turning Point USA apparatus. It's always this — a slight pivot. You told us this, now we're going to pivot and give you a different story, and then basically say to you, "How dare you recognize that the first story we told you was not accurate in its entirety." Just true to Turning Point. This is just their formula that is failing upon the public.
VFX LA: the Hollywood AI deepfake company meeting with Turning Point USA
Switching gears. Yesterday we were telling you about Turning Point USA — in particular, Marcus Wada, alleged former arms dealer — and that he's already incorporating AI voices into their presentations. They're going out to donors and using a voice-over to narrate presentations. Well, today we can confirm to you that for a reason that is not yet known, after Charlie's death — and maybe even before Charlie's death, but definitively after — Marcus was meeting with and communicating with Hollywood AI deepfake companies. They specialize in creating deepfakes.
Now, maybe if this was a conservative company that specialized in making videos, you might go, "Okay, you know, back when Daily Wire was saying they were going to explode into Hollywood" — that might make sense. But why Turning Point USA?
I'm going to give you the name of the company. It's VFX LA — VFX Los Angeles. These guys were brought into Turning Point USA. Like I said, we can confirm they met with Marcus Wada. We can't confirm that they created any content for him. But I would like to show you on their website what they say they specialize in.
It tells us here they do voice cloning. Yet another example of their AI capabilities is the recreation of a specific voice — voice cloning using a bespoke AI model for that exact voice. There is no accent or colloquialism that they cannot generate. Case in point, this project for Fanatics Collectible where they had to reproduce the unique timbre and intonation of the deceased baseball commentator Skip Caray — despite him passing away nearly 20 years ago. They show you his original voice, then a recording from a hired actor reading a new script, and then finally their voice cloning of Skip Caray's AI voice.
That's interesting, because I have donors telling me that they are convinced that it is AI. They were there and Charlie never said this super formal statement — "I appoint Erika Kirk if anything were to happen to me." Many people emailed us who work in AI and have worked in AI for years. They were like, "Candace, I am telling you 100% that is AI." I don't claim to be an expert. I just claim to follow interesting leads like this.
This is not all they do, by the way. They also can make videos. They can take a video of somebody — maybe somebody, as an example, giving a presentation in Aspen, just as an example — and if they needed to add a sentence or do something, these would be the guys to do it.
Let's actually click around and take a look at their deepfakes. They explain how you're going to see this original UK woman say something in a commercial, and then they are going to take this original UK commercial and make her say it in German, make the man also in the commercial say it in German, make them say it in French — and how they did this for their clients. And the clients were like, "Still looks a little uncanny, something's off." And then they were able to further get the mouth to behave correctly and say stuff that they actually never said, or at least didn't say in that language. Let's take a look at that video.
VFX LA Narrator: We will now show you the array of AI tools and patented VFX methods we use to create a lifelike lip sync of an aerial commercial from the original British English into French and then German.
Commercial Actor: So you've put on a freshly washed shirt only to find smells have come back.
Commercial Actor 2: That's a boomerang smell.
Commercial Actor: It's when smelly particles haven't been washed out properly and are reactivated by heat. Yep. Boomerang smell.
VFX LA Narrator: We started by mapping out the likeness of the original UK actors, which would later be used to output their photorealistic deepfake features. We then cast two French actors with likeness matching their UK counterparts and recorded a plethora of what we call training footage to train our AI models for each. Then the voice cloning requires ample amounts of editing, sorting, and cleaning up before we can train our AI voice models to match the original actors' voices. With all that prep work and computing for our AI models, our lip-sync outputs are flawless right as they come out and ready for broadcast. Finally, we were asked to tweak the final smile of the actress as the client was not fully satisfied with the original performance. So we used our patented shape control method to create a multitude of incremental changes in the intensity of the smile, adjusting the opening of the eyes, the pull of the zygomatics, and the moisture of the lips until the client settled on their preferred performance — whether in French, German, or any other language. This is how we create lips.
Candace Owens: I'll ask the question — I'll be the bad guy. What's Turning Point doing meeting with this company at all? Turning Point USA used to be an organization that hit the ground at college campuses to spread conservative principles like free markets and capitalism. What use do they have with Hollywood voice cloning in particular?
And wouldn't you have less of a use for that after Charlie died? Almost less of a use. Maybe you were like, "We can put Charlie in a bunch of different places" — but wouldn't you have less of a use for that after Charlie died? Wouldn't you maybe just kick that can down the road if you were going to have a meeting like that? No?
Well, I'd like to know: did they work with them? Did they do anything with this company? Was it just a meeting? Andrew Kolvet did say they met with people that said they could do all these deepfakes of Charlie and they declined. Did they decline them all? Did they give them an example of one they could do? And Erika says she watched the video of Charlie saying that he chose her, and the donors say that didn't happen. Is it plausible that they showed her a deepfake? Did she know it was a deepfake?
Why would wealthy donors who went to Aspen to support Charlie say that this definitively did not happen and that that moment is AI? Also, why wouldn't Turning Point use that moment on video to announce Erika Kirk? None of that makes any sense to me.
Viewer comments and ongoing threads
All right, you guys. Top comments from yesterday's episode. Somebody wrote: "Why would Charlie say 'I appoint my wife' instead of 'I would appoint my wife if something happened to me'? Present tense instead of future tense." Good question.
Team G Family 4 writes: "I appoint my wife reads like a Tyler Bowyer text." It certainly does. Overly formal. And Charlie was not this overly formal person. That's kind of what made him so engaging on stage — he was able to be conversational. It does strike as remarkably formal, as if he was doing it like it was a coronation. "I appoint my wife."
Also, a comment from yesterday. The commenter was bothered, really bothered, that I wasn't born yesterday. He wrote: "Here you go, Candace. Here is a full favela video that you cannot comprehend is real. More dangerous than any of your family reunions, I would hope. Didn't know you were built so favela-like and dangerous, but respect." Like, okay. It isn't journalism to people. It's just how they grow up. And thank you for all the Brazilians in the comments yesterday. You were hilarious. You guys should scroll through yesterday's comments. Like I said, you just live enough and it's so beyond ridiculous it's not even worth debating. If I know there's a sucker born every minute, you just have to be deep in the throes of suburbia to think that somebody can infiltrate a favela 48 hours after arriving with a camera and a mic. You will be robbed so quickly. Viewers, do not try that at home.
Today's comments. Just saw a big one come in on YouTube. "Hello, Candace. Thank you so much for everything that you have done for the world and blowing the lid off of all of this ridiculousness. Quick question — whatever happened to all the Mitt Romney stuff we took a break from? Much love from Texas."
I'm still looking into it. I do think that is a piece of this Utah story. I forgot — Mitt Romney kind of runs things. And this investigation is ongoing in so many different ways. We return to certain things when they fit into another piece, but the Mitt Romney thing is incredibly compelling, especially his relationship — his long relationship — with Bibi. So thank you for reminding me to return to that at some point.
Comments from today's episode. Monica W writes: "I rushed to see Oprah at 4 daily, and my teenage self was often disappointed because I didn't care about the topics. Now I rush to find your show time every day and I'm never disappointed. Either I'm officially adulting or you spill the best truth tea." Thank you so much, Monica. That's very sweet. I guess Oprah was so different — daytime talk television. She used to really go there with her old shows and was covering some very interesting and compelling stuff. So I appreciate that compliment.
Za Mitt writes: "Charlie Kirk did not die in vain." No, he did not. I totally agree with you.
Brooke writes: "Your independence is your superpower. It's rare to see someone fight for the truth regarding Charlie with such loyalty. Calling out these cult leaders is exactly what we need right now. Christ is king and there are so many of them." Unfortunately, many of them occupy the space of churches — megachurches — and they are telling you that they're doing this for God. And I think people are recognizing it's not. They are actually hacking into faith and trying to move people toward a political stance — and really a devastating political stance.
This user writes: "Donor advised funds — Waterstone lawsuit — come with instructions for the charity on what to allocate the funds to, with keeping donor names secret." So I think it's what Charlie was trying to audit — known for foreign monies being moved in donor advised funds. I believe he was taking a close look at Turning Point Action. Based on everything that I have looked at, based on the people that I've spoken to within the organization, the rumor is that Turning Point Action was missing $10 million. And Turning Point Action actually built a back door. It has connections to Erika's mother. That is just a fact.
I'm blanking on the name of the company that she is on the board of with Tyler Bowyer. The app — Super Feed — actually powers the Turning Point USA website. So if you look into the app and you start to read the stuff you click past when you're downloading an app, it tells you Super Feed. I think they probably built a lot of mechanisms — and again I'm speculating here — but with a lot of pieces from people who were at Turning Point USA who are no longer there saying that that was where the money was missing from. And if it was Turning Point Action, then there would be a direct tie to Lori Frantzve, which would have created a serious kerfuffle in his relationship with his wife if he found out something about Lori Frantzve. I have a lot of question marks about her in general, but I've expressed that throughout our Erika Kirk series.
Ali writes: "Erika went on Glenn Beck and said Charlie wasn't texting people that he was going to be killed the day before. When she privately admitted to you that this was false, why didn't she correct the record publicly? Isn't that weird?"
Yes, you are correct. That is weird. She said it with such attitude — "I have his phone. He never said that." And then she got clocked on it because I said the next day, "That's weird," because Andrew was one of the people he texted and he told me. And then she was like, "Well, then it's because stuff was set to delete — Dan Flood." Okay, this is your husband. He didn't tell you that he thought he was going to die the night before, but he had some anxiety about that? He's up the night before. You said he was just excited. It's a weird thing to experience those two emotions at once — you're so excited about something that's actually become quite mundane.
I never remember Charlie — all of our tech mushes the night before, hotel rooms with paper-thin walls where I could hear the shower — never did I ever hear Charlie just be so excited about doing a college campus event that he couldn't sleep, because we used to do so many of them. This night was different. He was so excited he couldn't sleep, but also thought he was going to be killed. It's a lot of emotion going through one guy. I believe one of those. I believe that Charlie was fearful the night before, and not excited about doing a college campus event at a college that he had already done a campus event at. This was not new. It was not unique. That's not to say anything to the UVU crowd, but this was his job and he was years and years into that job.
So I don't believe that's the reason he was up. And then she didn't mention that to him at all. That doesn't register as right to me either. And then it turns out that even when she tried to fix the lie — which they probably thought through on Telegram, that's where this took place — that was inaccurate. He actually texted Dan an iMessage. So did somebody delete the messages before it was given to Erika? I know she's not concerned. Obviously none of this bothers her. None of the holes bother her. She's just the loving grieving widow who believes every single piece that the Fed has spun and doesn't have even one question about this investigation. She just forgives him and she'd like to close this chapter and move on. And that's that.
TJ Clark writes: "Ex Aurora PD officer here. September 10th was especially heavy for us due to the local shooting, with Charlie Kirk right afterward. I took my kids out of school on 9/11 because of it. Happy to help with local records requests if you ever need it." Thank you very much. I will save your username. That's very helpful. I don't know how deep I will get into that September 10th story, but I do believe it deserved a more national spotlight and I can imagine what you guys went through.
Oh — you said Aurora PD. I'm thinking of the September 10th one. Aurora PD was the Batman shooting. And yeah, that's super interesting. Please do shoot us an email to moretips.com so I can have your information, because I do have some questions about that. Totally bizarre — the story of the one woman who was shot like five times, then taken out by police officers into a police car. Jessica Garza, I believe her name was. Something's very strange about that. My theory is that these are military targets, people that are being taken out. The fact that she had just survived another shooting — missed it in a food court up in Canada. There's a lot weird about that story.
Happy Coma writes: "It was almost certainly the Clear Creek Sheriff's Office working in collaboration. We don't have our own police department in Evergreen." That's interesting. State Patrol and Clear Creek responded. That's very interesting. And I would imagine that they would know the protocol having been in the area of Columbine. Thank you for sharing that.
Julia writes: "Just saw a words of wisdom video that Erika Kirk recorded of Charlie Kirk. He said, 'You want to find out a lot about someone? Give them a bunch of power.' It just feels like a whole 2025/26 vibe between TPUSA, Trump, and Israel." Yeah. Somebody made the joke — somebody who will not be named in the control room — and it really tickled me. Because if you watch Lord of the Rings and all of the people fighting for power for Charlie, it's like Charlie was the only one who could actually hold the ring and not want unlimited power. And then Erika comes out of nowhere and just tastes the power and becomes that queen who's like, "I can be the queen." I think we have that clip.
Galadriel (Lord of the Rings clip): I do not deny that my heart has greatly desired this. In place of a dark lord, you would have a queen. Not dark, but beautiful and terrible as the dawn. Treacherous as the sea. Strong as the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair.
Candace Owens: Yeah. I think people wanted some power. I don't know. Instead of "you will have a queen" — I'm sorry, we are not serious people. Please ignore us.