Candace Owens breaks down Erika Kirk's public statements and continues her timeline investigation into Erika's background
Candace Owens delivers a solo episode examining Erika Kirk's recent public explanation for assuming leadership of Turning Point USA, fact-checking her claims about her pre-marriage business, and continuing a detailed biographical timeline investigation.
Summary
Candace Owens opens by addressing Erika Kirk trending on X following a Club America appearance where Erika explained how she is able to run Turning Point USA while also being a mother. Owens methodically dismantles the claim that Erika had a self-sustaining clothing business before marrying Charlie Kirk, using domain registration records and Wayback Machine data to argue the business barely existed at the time Erika claims it was already running independently. Owens also plays audio from an internal Turning Point USA corporate call featuring Tyler Bowyer announcing a new Las Vegas office before handing over to Erika, who thanks staff for interacting with her children. The episode then shifts into a continued biographical timeline of Erika's life prior to meeting Charlie, covering her time following a basketball player boyfriend to China and Puerto Rico, her multiple reality TV auditions, and connections between the people around her — including Tyler Bowyer, the Farnsworth family, Lori Frantzve, Jeffrey Epstein's donations to Arizona State University, and Romanian operations. Owens also reads and responds to a lengthy comment from a Romanian viewer who describes witnessing the 1989 revolution and the subsequent foreign influence over their country.
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Erika Kirk's explanation for running Turning Point USA goes viral
Candace Owens: Erika is trending today over on X. There's a lot of backlash happening because she has offered an explanation as to why it is perfectly acceptable for her to be running this alleged billion-dollar empire while also being a mother and tending to her children. We should listen to that together because it is infuriating. I am infuriated by what she said. Also, we have exclusive audio from another corporate call from Turning Point USA, and it may give us an indication as to how she is managing to make it all work. We're also going to learn that they just opened another office in Las Vegas, which is just so fitting because, as I told you, Vegas is running Washington DC.
In a sentence, I would say Erika is trending for being Erika. Just for being chronically Erika. People are upset because at a recent Turning Point USA Club America appearance, she offered this sort of explanation as to why she has stepped into Charlie Kirk's role. I'll give you the obvious point she's going to make — because God ordained it. Obviously, that's always the vibe. It's biblical. She explains how the people judging her for no longer being a stay-at-home mom don't actually realize that before she met Charlie, she was actually running her own business. She managed to build that business in such a way that it was able to operate on its own — a well-oiled machine by the time she got married and had kids, so she could safely step away. Let's just listen to Erika.
Erika Kirk: You know, I get this question too — you were a stay-at-home mom and all this stuff, like that's what you should go back to doing. A lot of people don't realize that before I met Charlie, I had my own company, and I still do. It was one of those things where I built it in a way where, when I got married and had children, it could run on its own. I didn't have to do day-to-day. I could check in, but I didn't have to do day-to-day. And that's the beautiful thing — young women in here, if you do create a company or a business, you're an entrepreneur, build it in a way that it sustains itself so that when you do find your husband and you have children, family is your main focus. You can have your calling on the side of your company, but your main focus is your husband and your children. And there's something beautiful in that.
Unfortunately, I did not see my life being like this. I didn't. So when people are like, "Oh, she's now in this role" — I'm honoring what the Lord has put in front of me and I'm also honoring my husband's request. I have to be the sole provider for my children. And again, this is not a business card opportunity. There's something very biblical in a woman honoring her husband and stepping up and standing in. I have an amazing team. I do. And I could not do it without them. My focus is on making sure my children are amazing young, biblically aligned little humans. But your perspective — your life is so much greater than just this blip on a radar. My focus is always making sure that everything that I'm doing is leading me closer to heaven, not further away from it.
Fact-checking Erika's business timeline
Candace Owens: There's so much happening there, so many words. It's sounding like a Lori Frantzve bio. None of it's making any sense. None of it can plausibly be true. For clarity, Erika is completely full of it. It is an absurd answer for so many reasons.
Let's start with number one. She's lying. She's claiming that she ran a business before she met Charlie — that's her point. I was running this business, and then by the time I got married to Charlie in 2021, this business was sustainable. What business was Erika Kirk running before she met Charlie? I was there for this. The business she is referring to is a clothing company that prints Bible verses onto t-shirts. I remember this vividly. Charlie said, oh she does street wear, she makes t-shirts — and it sounded more like a hobby when Charlie explained it to me. But I also spoke to her, met with her, and was aware she was working on this fashion business making street wear.
What I find interesting now in retrospect is that she goes on her first official date with Charlie in September of 2018, and she actually picked up the domain name to that street wear company — Proclaim Street — the month after, on October 26th, 2018. Just to be clear, this was a very big week for Erika. She picks up this domain name just two days after she received her real estate license in New York. All of this happening a few weeks after she meets Charlie.
So when Erika meets Charlie, we're supposed to believe she's pursuing her master's degree at Liberty University, birthing a startup fashion company she's somehow going to have up and running on its own within two years, also working in real estate for the Corkran Real Estate Group, plus going on an interview with Turning Point USA for some job. And that's in addition to getting ready to film for a reality TV show the following month.
Now, I want you to understand this was not actually an up-and-running business at all. She got the domain name a few weeks after meeting Charlie, but the domain was not active. Despite having it in October, Proclaim did not actually file to become a business until January of 2019, after she began dating Charlie. That's when she formed the official LLC paperwork. You're not a business until you have that. And again, this is a clothing company — fashion being an incredibly difficult industry to break into — but according to Erika, she is going to turn this idea into a self-sustaining business while also, all of 2019, touring with Charlie non-stop, traveling, becoming a fellow for the Falkirk Center, speaking for various faith ministries, and pursuing her doctorate.
We decided to go check, because if you're going to tell us you started in 2019 and by 2021 when you get married it's running on its own, surely I must be able to instantly buy these clothes. No. It wasn't until January 16th, 2021 that clothing items were actually available for sale on the website. You can go back and do this yourself on Wayback Machine. The website says it's ethically sourced and sustainably made. How many items are available? This is 2021, so she's only got five months to make this a banger. There's a fleece jogger, a fleece sweatshirt, four or five items total, including a classic tee. So clearly this business was completely running on its own for these five months the website was running before she marries Charlie in May.
My question is, how did she do it? How did a clothing company which didn't even have an operable website become so successful so quickly that she was able to consciously step away and become a wife and a mother just four months after selling clothing? The obvious answer is: it didn't happen. This did not happen. And I cannot stand any longer how everything that comes out of her mouth is so easily verifiably untrue. You can't just say stuff. You can't just say words and keep saying words and expect everybody to accept those words. You can't just have a Lori bio in life. It doesn't work like that.
Erika's "sole provider" claim and Charlie's actual financial legacy
Candace Owens: Before we officially dive into the substance of the claim she's making to this audience — oh, of course, because God so willed it, she must continue Charlie's company, it's biblical, she's honoring her husband — what really frustrates me is that she calls herself the sole provider.
What it truly does is discount who Charlie was — how genius he was, how financially savvy he was. She's trying to relate as if she's just like a single mom working a nine-to-five at a restaurant trying to make ends meet, and the father's gone. No. She is not implying in any way here that Charlie had a life insurance policy both at home and at work, which she would have benefited tremendously from. Some people have done work on this, and I believe just the life insurance policy that Turning Point had for Charlie — in the event of his passing — Erika was set to receive $10 million from his work policy. So this is an insult to Charlie because it implies he had nothing.
Charlie always had his financial house in order. Investments, real estate, trusts for their children — a life insurance policy would have been a no-brainer for him. And she also wants us to forget that millions were raised just for her and the kids by complete strangers online, starting GoFundMe campaigns. She's also trying to pretend she's not a multi-millionaire who did an alleged billion-dollar deal with a man named Pierre.
She wants you to believe that she is just like you, only worse off because she's a single mom trying to survive for the sake of her kids — with a private jet and drivers. This girl doesn't even touch her own door handles. She's constantly got a fleet of security. But she's just like you. What about people that actually knew her that raised millions for her and the kids? Forget the complete strangers — but also people who just knew her and did it publicly, like Tucker Carlson. He alone, his ALP company, raised $5.4 million for her. He set out to raise six and kept blowing through it. GiveSendGo doesn't take a percentage the way GoFundMe does. That is what Tucker Carlson was able to provide. Just Tucker Carlson.
So what is she doing? She's saying words because she lies. She lies all the time, and we're supposed to just take it. I fully agree that this person wanted power and she seized it. That's why she didn't even flinch. She didn't even wait a week before she was in that office doing sit-down interviews at her home with the New York Times. She didn't even wait a week to pretend that she was grieving.
She cannot honestly state that her focus is both on her children and on the company, because it's not possible. It's just not possible in a one-parent home. Even if she had a part-time job, in a one-parent home she would be being crushed by her schedule. You're designed to have two parents in the home, and now she has to pretend to step up to the plate — taking on not a regular company but an empire — while wanting us to believe she's both putting her children first and putting the company first.
Internal Turning Point USA call: Las Vegas office and Erika's message to staff
Candace Owens: I assume that Erika knows I get leaked everything by now. There was tremendous public backlash when I released the two Zoom calls. Particularly, people were unnerved by how little she mentioned Charlie — rather, she was giddy talking about merch and hats. This was 11 days after Charlie had been assassinated, the first one six days after. So this time, in February — this call was dated February 11th — she made a point to immediately mention her kids. They're recapping how great the Super Bowl was, not acknowledging that they purchased all of these views. I'm going to bring you Tyler Bowyer first, and you'll hear him explain that they're opening a new office in Las Vegas before he hands the call over to Erika.
Tyler Bowyer: Last thing I'll say is this. At Turning Point Action, we have a ton of job postings in Arizona, Nevada, and New Hampshire. Those three states are so critical for our success. We actually just locked down — Jonah just got back from there, got the keys to a new building that we have in Las Vegas, which is really exciting. It's about a similar size to this. The footprint is growing, things are moving, things are happening. We're going to need a thousand more people in this room this time next year to win across the country and set ourselves up for the future. So get excited about that. And without further ado, go ahead and hand off the microphone to the wonderful Erika Kirk.
Erika Kirk: Hi everyone. I know it's not usually normal to have everyone brought together, but I wanted to do that for a multitude of reasons. One being — I want to say something very personal and say thank you to each and every one of you. I bring my babies to the office nine times out of ten and a lot of you have interacted with them, and it's very sweet to me and it's very precious to them, because they know you guys by name and they'll come to me and say, "Did you know that so-and-so gave me a stuffy?" or something like that. Thank you. My kids are my world and I love bringing them here because they get to see what their father built and what you guys all continue building.
Also, I'm going to be doing something like a lunch-with-your-department-style thing, because it is on my heart so badly. I would love to sit down with each and every one of you individually. I want to know your name, your face, be able to pray for you guys and really just know you. Since I can't do that individually just yet — because that would be a long day, month, and year — I'm going to be conjoining it through departments so we can make them very small and intimate, maybe three people at a time, and have lunch with you guys just to hear your heart and hear your stories about Charlie, to be honest with you. That would be amazing.
Candace Owens: The people watching your kids — you should already know their names. If in this first half you're saying "thank you for watching my kids," what should not follow is "I look forward to learning your names." If they're watching your kids and the kids are coming home saying so-and-so did this, that's not the first time you should be hearing so-and-so's name. This is supposed to be endearing — oh, thank you guys so much, I'm just dropping them at the office. And in addition to working extra hours, they're all going to be fired at the end of this week because we don't know who's leaking to Candace.
She has to basically thank them for babysitting. And we're supposed to be endeared by this. No — that's not where toddler children should be. They should not be at a corporate office nine times out of ten. That's not the environment children are supposed to be in. And by the way, where Charlie worked was completely separate from where everybody else works. They're not walking through and going, "Oh, this feels like Dad" — you just said in the speech that you were a stay-at-home mom while you guys were married. So why would this place remind your toddler children of their father? This is a corporate office.
It feels like she intentionally just edits a little bit after feedback each time. Like they're just downloading an algorithm. Someone says, "You shouldn't be wearing sparkly pants," so she downloads the new algorithm: wear black. Then, "I don't think her tears are real," and then: do not use tissue, drop tear on cheek. There are just little updates being made each time because there's no sense of common humanity there — a common understanding of how humans should behave. Remember when you were cheering about hat sales and merch? So this time, mention how much you love your kids. Thank you for watching my kids — I look forward to learning your names. It's all driving me crazy.
Tyler Bowyer's atypical appointment to the Arizona Board of Regents
Candace Owens: We had mentioned that after Tyler Bowyer's trip to Romania in 2010, he then gets magically elected to the board of regents as the student representative at Arizona State University. Someone emailed us and said he didn't go the usual route. The Governor of Arizona at the time, Jan Brewer, abnormally just picked Tyler for the position. Usually there are votes, but here is an archived article that confirms exactly that. It says: "Governor appoints new student regent." Within the article it tells us that Arizona State University student Tyler was appointed as the newest student regent on the Arizona Board of Regents by Governor Jan Brewer. A new student regent is selected every year, rotating between the three state universities. Though regents are typically selected from recommendations made by a selection committee at the university, Bowyer applied directly through the governor's office. So it was atypical.
Erika's claimed double major may not have existed at ASU in 2012
Candace Owens: We received some emails suggesting that Erika's claim that she graduated with a double Bachelor of Science in both political science and international relations from Arizona State University — which is what is mentioned on her LinkedIn — may not be accurate. They claimed that the Bachelor of Science in International Relations was not yet available in 2012 at Arizona State University. So we went back and searched through the archived catalog. Sure enough, so far as we can tell, it was not available in 2012. It is today — you can become a Bachelor of Science in International Relations today — but back when Erika graduated, this was not an option.
We searched international relations. It is a topic listed under political science as something you will cover if you choose to major in political science. You can also get a certificate in international studies, but it was not available as a standalone major. And that is one of Erika's claims to fame — double majored, getting a doctorate, running a business, running a charity, doing reality TV. There could be some strange carve-out just for Erika — I'm sure there was — but I find all of this happening at the same time to be very strange.
Jeffrey Epstein's donations to Arizona State University
Candace Owens: We are obviously discussing the relationship between Erika and Tyler — both of them being at Arizona State University, both having been involved in Romania, also during the very years of Jeffrey Epstein, who, like Tyler, was involved particularly with modeling agencies in Romania. It is also worth noting that Arizona State University was the number one university mentioned in Jeffrey Epstein's emails — about 3,500 times, paling in comparison to other universities. Second place was some university mentioned about a hundred times.
It had already been discovered even prior to the email dump that Jeffrey Epstein had given money to Arizona State University — $250,000 of his own money, plus over $2 million through various associates. He began giving to Arizona State University in December of 2010 — just a couple of months before Tyler gets appointed to the board of regents, just a couple of months after Tyler gets back from Romania. Epstein donated through what is known as the Origins Project, a project for space exploration.
I keep telling you guys about NASA and what happened with Operation Paperclip. They said these scientists are going to get us to space, but they were not. They were a bunch of perverts, and our CIA transported them from places like Vienna throughout Germany and brought them here and told us they were genius scientists when they were not. They were harming children and developing the Monarch program, the precursor to MK Ultra. It is interesting that of all the things Jeffrey Epstein is giving to, it's a space project.
Tyler visits Romania just before Tyler is hand-selected by the governor. Got it.
Erika's 2012–2013 timeline: pursuing fame and following a boyfriend to China
Candace Owens: Fast forward past Erika's crown year of 2012. Erika begins pursuing fame hard. There is no person who can look into Erika's life and make the claim that she was not trying to be famous. I don't know any women who never dated a guy that was normal. Everybody Erika dates has some degree of fame and publicity already in their lives, and that clearly attracts her. And she lies all the time. So, ahead of us jumping back into the timeline, I would like to remind you of the story she tells regarding why she was traveling internationally, specifically to China.
Erika Kirk: "I decided to create something called Everyday Heroes Like You, where we're able to — originally it was focused on bringing funds and awareness to various grassroots organizations that were in specific communities that would be able to have volunteers, that are transparent with their funds, that are actually doing what they're saying they're doing instead of just having 70% of the funds go to admin and only 30% towards the cause. Really just focusing on making sure there was a home for transparent organizations that people could learn about and get involved with. But from there it kind of grew into something more global. I was living in China and doing a lot of work with the victims from sex trafficking, and then began to phase that into working with the Marine Corps and the Army, and then was able to work with an orphanage in Romania."
Candace Owens: There's no mistaking what she says — she repeats it over and over again, that she lived in China and was there to work with victims of sex trafficking. This is one of the early questions I had for Erika: what, where, who were you working with in China? Thanks to a clip we're going to show you later of her auditioning for The Amazing Race, she actually narrows it down and says she was in Chongqing. That helped me realize why she was actually in China.
The truth is that Erika was just following her boyfriend. I view this as her groupie year. Her boyfriend at the time is Josh Harelson. Josh Harelson is playing for the Miami Heat. We are in 2013 — five years before she met Charlie. In the future she'll say she didn't date anybody, but no, she certainly dated people. Erika had a boyfriend every year, actually. And far from this deeply Christian story she's going to spin in the future, she not only had a boyfriend, but she was following him around the world and living with him. I'm not here to judge Erika for living with her boyfriend — I have lived with my boyfriend in the past — but I am not sitting here pretending that I didn't do that. That's what's so strange. The amount of lies. What is the purpose of these lies? This is why it feels like ChatGPT Christianity. Like someone ran the algorithm: okay, we need you to be Christian. We need you to fit Charlie's world. Let's say no guys, no guys for five years. Never dated anyone. A Christian woman would never date a guy, live with him. And your mother taught you Christianity? My mother taught me Christianity, and she would never have allowed my boyfriend to sleep in the house. That is the opposite of coming from a deeply faithful Christian household.
Anyway, back into the timeline. 2013. Erika begins dating Josh Harelson. That is very much evidenced by her saved tweets. What happens in 2013 is he begins playing for Puerto Rico — he joins the Brujos de Guayama in mid-January — and then he joins the Chongqing Flying Dragons. So he goes from the Miami Heat to Puerto Rico, then China. She traveled the world. She tells us she was doing all of this work for charities. No — she's following her boyfriend. This is regular groupie stuff. Stop pretending you're some master of all these businesses.
From early June to August, she moves — her words, not mine — to China to follow and live with her boyfriend. I want to note that this was one of the questions I asked Justin Streiff early on. I said, when did she live in China? Why was she living in China? He came back and said — and I want to be clear, I don't think Justin Streiff was lying — he wrote back to me on January 12th that Erika did not live in China from June 16th to June 30th. She just visited China, saw major sites, and visited the Great Wall. Again, I'm not here to pick a side in Erika versus Erika. But she very clearly says she lived in China. And the answer is she was obviously there longer because she was there from June all the way through until at least August — which happened to match the exact date her boyfriend was there.
She will also post a video promoting Romanian Angels, in which she thanks Colonel Otto Busher in particular — who is going to be accused of running a brothel, a Romanian brothel with children on the base. It's everyone around her, I guess. She has all of these connections, I guess.
2014: The Farnsworth network, Lori Frantzve, and Erika's Hollywood ambitions
Candace Owens: I call 2014 the year of fake it till you make it. Erika is living in Venice, California, and there's actually no apparent purpose for her to be doing that — unless we look through her actions, and it's very clear she's trying to make it in Hollywood.
There is a clip of her sitting down with her best friend Tracy Martin on a talk show. A woman named Diane Burnett likes the post, and that is in fact Mark Burnett's wife — Mark Burnett being the person who created Survivor, the person who's going to create the reality show that Erika is on, the person also running Donald Trump's show The Apprentice. He's the creator of so much reality TV. There's an indication that again we're going to see all of these paths crossing.
It's also the year that Johnny Moore is going to leave Liberty University and start the Cyros company with Andrew. Johnny Moore is working for Mark Burnett. There is a chance that in 2014, Erika and Andrew Kulvette would have crossed paths. That would make sense — they know the same people.
More relevant, however, is Lori Frantzve, because she gets introduced on the floor in Arizona — on the congressional floor — because she has David Farnsworth sponsoring a bill. She's doing this panic stuff: there could be an EMP event and we have to get prepared for an EMP event that could happen — electromagnetic pulses. Here is what me and my husband Larry recommend that you do, and it's GTech Industries. She seems to me like a used car salesman. It seems like a group of people working together to get money from the government, and they all know each other. Lori is introduced by the Farnsworth family. Terrell Farnsworth — the guy that takes down the cameras — this is his family. He grew up with Tyler Bowyer. Their families have been friends, Mormon families for generations.
And look up the Farnsworth family — they're a very powerful family in Mormon world, with roots down into Mexico. They've been around since day one of the LDS church. It's like they all know each other and they're just like — we got to get this money. You're going to pretend like you're a tech genius, Lori. And she's like, sustainability, sustainability. And you're going to present, and I'm going to put together a vote, and the Farnsworths are going to vote, and we're going to get this money. Lori gives me scam artist energy. Everything about her. I'm seeing a scammer on the corner trying to sell me CDs. She's bootlegging, and she has actual people working — the Farnsworth family helping her do that. That is why Eddie Farnsworth, who also votes to pass her resolution, and who is of Terrell Farnsworth's family — the camera guy — gets accused in the future of making tens of millions of dollars off of charter schools. There are all these articles. Look up Eddie Farnsworth and the charter school. The whole family started getting accused of taking all this government money. This seems like their true family business: make up something that you do, say it's important, get a bunch of money from the Department of Homeland Security and the DoD — but in reality it's a political mafia working together to scam taxpayers.
And crucially, the Bowyers, the Farnsworths, the Frantzves, the Coats — they're all just gravitating around each other at all times.
What happens crucially is that Tyler Bowyer is going to meet Charlie Kirk this year. It is still not clear to me how they met, but we can state that Tyler is the chairman at that time of the Maricopa County Republican Committee, and Eddie Farnsworth is on that committee, and David Farnsworth is on that committee. They grew up together — all Chandler, Arizona, went to the same high schools. It's giving Mormon Mafia.
Also in March, Erika is going to begin dating somebody else — his name is JT Massie, and he's a minor league baseball player with the Colorado Rockies. She is living and working in California; he is living in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Together they are going to try out for The Amazing Race. Take a listen.
Erika Frantzve: I've lived in China. I've lived in Chongqing. I've been to Romania. I've been to Croatia. Lived in Puerto Rico for a little bit.
JT Massie: Hi, I'm JT Massie. I'm 25 years old from Chattanooga, Tennessee. I'm a minor league baseball player with the Colorado Rockies and I'm going to be racing with my girlfriend.
Erika Frantzve: Hi, I'm Erika Frantzve. I'm 25 years old from Scottsdale, Arizona, and I currently live in Venice, California.
JT Massie: March 1st, we went on our first date. Well, she got it wrong because she thought it was the day before and she called me and was like, "Hi, so I'm going to be running late for our date." And I was like, "Actually, it's tomorrow." I'm sitting at dinner with my dad in Arizona and I'm like, "Did I mess up the date or what?" She messed up the date.
Erika Frantzve: So we went to Majano's.
JT Massie: Yeah, it worked out. I picked her up. It was raining — kind of a different night in Arizona. Picked her up at her house and later met her mom on the first night.
JT Massie: Yeah, not trying to scare her off or anything.
Candace Owens: I'm sure she did meet Lori. Lori's always lurking in the corner. She's a pusher. Nothing objectively bothers me about this. I'm noticing the pattern that everybody's kind of famous, but nothing objectively bothers me about her joking around with her boyfriend, hanging out, doing whatever. This is all actually normal for a 25-year-old young woman. It's not what she's doing — it's what she's telling us she did in the future. That is what is problematic. There's nothing wrong about them speaking back and forth, making jokes, trying to be funny. It's how she will pretend none of this ever happened when she hits the Christian button — the Christian button when she meets Charlie. That's what bothers me.
By the way, there's evidence that they were even engaged. Her whole demeanor is just so different from the person she becomes with Charlie. And we're supposed to believe that that's authentic. You can become a godly woman and still have a personality — and yet everything is just so rehearsed and weird. She can't get out a sentence without saying "this is what God ordained and I'm biblical." It actually feels haunted to me.
Erika's 2014 Hollywood auditions
Candace Owens: She also auditions for what we think is Diane von Furstenberg's show called House of DVF — it's a fashion show that ran for two seasons from 2014 to 2015. Take a listen.
Erika Frantzve: "Tell me about your experiences in fashion."
"I did not go to fashion school. I am self-taught. I graduated with political science and international relations, and although that background might seem foreign to the fashion world, I think it's actually very helpful because fashion is international and you have to understand people — because the consumer is what's buying your product. If you're able to create a line or a brand that embodies international aspects — whether that be art, architecture, different fabrics and the feel of the brand — that draws people to it. I'm looking at this from a pragmatic business standpoint. Although I don't know how to sew and cut — I can sew a pillow together, but I can't take fabrics and create a couture dress. That's not me. But I'm able to see design, pick up on certain things, and put things together. Not necessarily having formal training, I would rather learn from people and individuals than from textbooks. I had that life experience with my family. I come from a bloodline of entrepreneurs, and I learned from my mom how to basically run a company, and that's how I was able to formulate my nonprofit, and that's what also made me change my major, because originally I was business."
Candace Owens: She's just like — what do I have to be? I don't know how to sew, I don't know how to cut — I want to be on a show. Whether it's The Amazing Race, whether it's House of DVF. She doesn't know how these two things speak to each other. She just wants to be on a show. And again, she's 25 at this time — this is not her early 20s. But this is who Erika was at this time. She was auditioning for everything. And eventually, she's going to get the part of Charlie's wife.
Also I just want to honorably mention that in a look-ahead post for 2014, she mentions on X that she is going to be in Romania, in Laos, in Kazakhstan, in the Philippines, in Sweden. She says, "Okay, 2014, I see you." Did she go to all of those places? Maybe. We will see.
We will probably have to do the rest next week because I see that I'm going over time.
Romanian viewer's comment and Candace's response
Candace Owens: I want to read you guys this comment from yesterday's episode. It says:
"Candace, I'm from Romania, and this episode was extremely important to me because you talked about my country. I'm a living witness of the so-called 1989 revolution. I witnessed the horrid so-called trial of the Ceaușescu couple, and I remember vividly how shocked we were when they executed them right on Christmas Day. I remember my mother saying, 'Oh my God, this country will be cursed, and I will pray dearly for this murder, especially since it happened on Christmas Day.' We are a Christian country, an Orthodox Christian country with a very faithful population. Their execution was absolutely horrific. They were old, close to 80 years old, and they should have at least let them die in prison instead of shooting them like animals. The cruelty of that killing has haunted our country for years. General Gică Popa committed suicide right after being forced to sentence them to death by firing squad. Three months after the execution, he shot himself in the head in his office at the Ministry of National Defense, leaving a note stating that he couldn't live with the guilt anymore.
"Here in my country, we all know now that this was not our revolution. It was actually orchestrated from the outside by those globalist Illuminati who pushed Soros into Romania right as the revolution ended. They pushed all of these horrors — the child trafficking, the sex trafficking, Epstein horrors, etc. We have been cursed with corrupt, treacherous leaders ever since. We never wanted to join the EU. We never wanted American military bases on our soil. And we never wanted our money sent to Ukraine.
"In 2024, 35 years after the revolution, we finally had a chance for an amazing sovereign leader, Călin Georgescu, and he won the elections with an outstanding number of votes, but these globalist lefties censored the results and declared them null. I remember that. So here we are, led by illegitimate clowns.
"I don't know whether Erika really helped with child trafficking or not, but I definitely want to know the truth. You are my favorite podcaster ever. I've been watching you since long before Charlie was shot. I used to watch both you and Charlie and admire your intelligence and the purity of your hearts. I was completely devastated when he got shot. I watched his execution online and I will never unsee it. I cried like my own brother had died. I cried for weeks. I mourned him for months, and I was even upset with God for allowing such a horrid evil event to happen to such a dear Christian.
"I hope and pray that God helps you uncover the truth. I hope we'll eventually find out who killed Charlie Kirk, that sweet angel of a human being. And I am totally invested in finding out who Erika really is. Truth shall always prevail. Charlie was so innocent he never imagined what Trump would be capable of doing. And here we are — Operation Epic Fury. Old men, old farts who've lived their lives are sending young men to die for nothing in a stupid war. Lord have mercy. Please Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, don't leave us in the hands of these devils. And please take care of Charlie in heaven. Keep up the good work, Candace. My mom refers to you as that gorgeous black journalist girl. She doesn't know your name and she doesn't speak English."
That is very sweet of you. And to your mother as well. I don't know any Romanian words other than "da." That's all I got. But you are correct. I do know what happened there, and that's the point I was making — I'm not arguing for communism or crony capitalism. I'm saying it's the same people at the top. They did to Romania what they've done to many countries in the east. We were behind the Yugoslav wars, what happened in Bosnia — you take a look at the picture and it's always the same. We're sending over protesters, honestly probably some of them CIA Mormon missions, because I know Tyler went to Russia for two years and someone in Russia told me he got kicked out for something like spying — though I don't know if that's true, whether he was using a different name. It's a narrative I am prodding. He did do his mission for two years in Russia. He's fluent in Russian, and there's a lot of evidence that Tyler Bowyer is working with the deep state, and that is very clear to me. The same can be said obviously for Erika. We are looking at evidence that she is not at all who she claims to be. To me she appears to be brainwashed. It's like she's sleepwalking. You can't just keep saying words and expect nobody to listen to those words and put together a series and a timeline to figure out whether any of them have meaning. And thus far, they do not.
Viewer comments and closing reflections
Candace Owens: Top comment from yesterday's episode — this is so funny. "Lori can do anything but write down Erika's correct date of birth. She's the most high-tech person in the entire world, but man, those divorce docs had her tripped up." Yeah, apparently we're supposed to believe it was just one very long multi-year mistake.
Tree Love Maya writes: "You are not only unraveling Charlie's death, but you are also unraveling the whole system. Stay safe, please." I'm so sick of the same story. I'm sick of the same demons — the occultists that are running the world and making us think that it's either communism or crony capitalism. What she said is true. They went in there, they took all of Romania's natural resources, divided it up, stole it from themselves, sold it back to us and said you can work for a living and maybe one day own a piece of what we have stolen. That's how it works. That's what we're speaking about when we talk about the globalists in power who also happen to be into kids.
Amy loves music writes: "Candace, I know that you are doing this out of love for a friend and brother. I am sorry for the backlash. I wish people would just listen to what you are saying. I'm also sorry for your loss of a true friend. Do you think Erika Kirk was conditioned from birth? And is there any truth that Charlie's sister Mary said that the Valentine letter was not in Charlie's handwriting?"
I did not see that story at all. I don't know who put that out there. I obviously have Charlie's handwriting because he used to write down his goals — he always had this thing where he'd write goals, one through six, talking about what he wanted to accomplish. I haven't seen that story. I can look into it.
I do sense that Erika was conditioned from birth. I think that's natural if Lori was in her life. That's a very fair assumption. There is something wicked about Lori, and Erika is emotionally attached to her. It is my opinion that Lori has proven to be a scam artist. I can't make out what she does. There's no reason to have that many LLCs and to be working with people who have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar. That is my opinion on the basis of what we've uncovered.
We might only have one episode left of this series. On Monday I think I can probably pull it all together. Maybe two at most. We're now getting to how, when, where, and why Erika met Charlie.
The One You Feed writes: "The reason Erika's advertising an obvious phony and performative persona is to instill learned helplessness. It's part of her master's plan and on purpose, but it's failed." So why are they doing this anymore? Like, okay, you tried to buy it, you can't. It's not for sale. And it's like the person arguing at the store: "Okay, but what about the one that's on the mannequin?" And you're like, "It's not for sale." Turning Point is like, "But we can. We can buy it." And the public is saying no. We don't believe you. We don't accept this. We don't think you're carrying on Charlie's legacy. Do they just go through the motions? Like, don't they wake up every day and go: I'm a fraud. I'm a whole fraud. How do people live like this? How do you wake up every day aware of what you are?
I also think about Dan Flood, who was offered a raise at Turning Point USA after everything. He was by this guy every day and Charlie trusted him. How do you pass a mirror? Do all these people just remove all the mirrors from their homes so they don't have to look at themselves and acknowledge the thing? Or are they robots? Are they hybrids? Was David Icke right? Is this the reptilian race? Are they even human? Is that why it's so easy? I actually hope he's right, because to accept that this is the condition of humanity is too sad. If it's just a droid that plugs in at night and charges, at least that makes sense.
Tempo Brew writes: "I have figured out part of the mystery. Charlie slept in Gigi's room the night before because Erika can't even lie in bed straight." Very, very funny. She ain't lying straight, that's for sure.
Klouse writes: "I was watching Baron live last night when your text came through regarding Lombardi. It seems like Lori is the real person of interest. I'm watching this alongside 70,000-plus people each day and it's unreal." Yeah, I spent good money to get a message to Baron — I gave him a huge tip on YouTube and wrote "check your text," and then I wrote him some interesting things about Lori since he's been helping so much with the investigation.
Also, shout out to the other creators. Coach Colin — my husband was cracking up the other day because he showed me this clip where apparently Coach Colin has started this thing: if my hair is back in a low bun, slicked back, it means I'm ready to do battle. He looks for the marker of me wearing my hair in a low bun, and he's kind of right. I didn't even realize I do that. My husband showed me the clip and it made me chuckle.
Also I absolutely love Lionel Nation's channel. There's just something about him that gives me the vibe. He has an extensive vocabulary — not a Lori vocabulary, he actually makes sense. He's formerly a prosecutor. His channel is Lionel Nation, and it's fantastic. I love watching your stuff and I don't shout you guys out nearly enough for how much you make me and my husband laugh. Baron is doing three-hour episodes — that's a lot — and putting a lot on the line while being attacked all the time. So it's good to see new energy breathing in independent podcasting that is filling the void left by our fake news media.
These people who are occultists and seek to harm children are now the very people that Trump seems to be hellbent on defending. We're going to win, though. I keep telling you guys this. We have already won. Christ is King. It drives them crazy. It's inevitable. It's all inevitable.