Candace Owens presents new footage and evidence in the Charlie Kirk death investigation
Candace Owens reviews never-before-seen footage from September 10th, challenges Frank Turek's CPR account, and raises new questions about surgical scrubs worn by security team members with no apparent reason.
Summary
Candace Owens, host of the Candace podcast, presents this episode on the one-year anniversary of Charlie Kirk's death. She corrects a prior misidentification of a security team member — previously named as Chester Barnes, now identified as Derek Pepper Williams, a former Navy SEAL and government defense contractor with ties to global freight shipping. She then focuses on Frank Turek's account of performing CPR during the hospital transport, arguing it directly contradicts Brian Harpole's statements across multiple interviews. She presents eyewitness testimony and new footage showing multiple security team members — including Blake Heriff, who never touched Charlie — arriving back at UVU wearing hospital surgical scrubs, raising questions about how and why those scrubs were distributed. She also addresses the Panguitch steakhouse receipt linked to Tyler Robinson, stating she has moved from 60% to 95% certainty that Tyler Robinson's debit card was used at the Cowboy's Smokehouse that night — a finding she argues would make the prosecution's timeline of text messages and movements impossible.
Key Takeaways
FULL TRANSCRIPT
Opening and Frank Turek Commentary
Candace Owens: Happy Wednesday, you guys. People keep finding these clips — or rather what we are to imagine are biblically based sermons — where Yankin Bankin Franken Turk keeps calling me out. It's really not very nice. I'm only a few weeks away from giving birth. Frankie, where are your manners? And I might caution you, because a dear friend of mine once said this: don't mess with pregnant Candace Owens.
I'm just saying, ladies and gentlemen, it is the eve of Charlie's death anniversary. For one full year, we have kept the candle burning for him — for the person that Charlie actually was, who he truly was, the person that they have tried to systematically recreate in the image of Bibi Netanyahu or someone. We prevented that from happening, something that we are very proud of. And today we are going to continue to go max with more never-before-seen footage from September 10th.
Correction: Derek Pepper Williams
Welcome back to Candace. Some housekeeping right at the top, because we always aim to be accurate, and if we are not, we want to correct it. We wrongly identified one member from Charlie's security team on September 10th. This individual, who we initially named as Chester Barnes — someone that we thought was working with Integrity Solutions — is seen here in the hat and plaid shirt on the left side. You can see we renamed him. That person is not Chester Barnes as we previously named. Thanks to our tips inbox, we can correct the record.
The person is actually Derek Pepper, goes by Pepper Williams. Derek Pepper Williams, a former Navy SEAL who worked in Naval Special Warfare Operations. Once he retired from the Navy, he went on to work for PGL as a government defense contractor. PGL, for the uninitiated like me, stands for Perimeter Global Logistics. They specialize in global freight shipping, over-the-border shipping down in Texas where he is based. And it could be relevant that they do this on behalf of the military — that's why they have a contract with the government, specifically with the Department of Defense. The same Department of Defense that we have learned is oddly married to the Charlie Kirk assassination in ways that we didn't expect, instructing influencers to attack me over our investigation.
I want you guys to know this: the global shipping angle is not something to ignore in this story, because Derek Pepper Williams would be one of four people on the TPUSA team on the ground on that day — September 10th — whose families were involved in the exact same industry: global freight, trucking, global shipping all around the world. More on that next week. I just want to sort of put that bee in your bonnet, so to speak, because today I want to stay focused on old Frankenbank.
The Pattern of Unprompted Attacks
Here's what I'll say. In my career, a distinct pattern has emerged. People who I have done absolutely nothing to, people who aren't even on my radar necessarily, will just one day pop up out of the woodwork and come after me. And then it becomes kind of obsessive — day in and day out, consistently, like it's their job. And I always wonder, when they begin this unjustified pursuit, like figuratively knocking on my door every day, if they've ever run through the possibility that I might be there. Like, what are you going to do if I'm there once you actually get my attention? I don't think they think through to that step.
Our most recent example of that is truly Andrew Wilson. I don't think he ever considered the plausibility, when he came knocking, that I might answer. And we watched all of that bravado evaporate almost immediately. We watched somebody with terrible posture, a shaky foot, doing all he could to escape my basement. The foot wanted to tell the truth.
Similarly, years ago, there was that Republican congressional nominee for Maryland — no reason at all — Kim Clay. She just kept coming for me all over the internet. I was mildly supportive of her. I finally went, "What is going on with this chick?" Looked into her because I was going to respond, and I found out that she was hiding the fact that she had been a stripper — taking off her clothes, nasty — yet talking about cleaning up the streets of Baltimore. Now she's in the group of 92 obsessing over me. Her then-husband was the manager of the strip club. She then sued me for telling the public, sued me for defamation, and she subsequently lost that defamation lawsuit and had to pay me here in Tennessee because we have anti-SLAPP laws, gratefully.
A lesson I have learned throughout my career is that people who talk too much, when it's not prompted or warranted, they always tend to have something to hide.
Frank Turek's Escalating Commentary
On that topic, Pastor Frank Turek most certainly was not on my radar. Go back, check the tapes. He wasn't on my radar at all. At the beginning of this journey, you will recall that I said repeatedly that he appeared to be the only person who reacted normally in those immediate moments following the explosive going off. He ducked down. He appeared fearful. He appeared surprised. But then Frank just kept talking. He was talking a lot, and it got peculiar because he kept talking about me. Take a listen to Frank Turek.
Frank Turek: "Candace has been saying a lot of things that appear to have no evidence behind them. I mean, there's evidence for the Bible. Is there any evidence for any of the things Candace Owens has been saying, particularly about our mutual friend Charlie Kirk?"
"We've seen lies. We've seen accusations. And we've seen slander with no evidence. Yeah, I'm talking to you, Candace Owens."
"Do not assume that something is true just because Candace Owens asks a question that suggests it is true."
"This is spiritual warfare. This is demonic activity. Yeah, I'm talking about Candace Owens."
"This poor woman has to wait for justice while Candace Owens spews a whole bunch of nonsense and people are eating it up."
Candace Owens: Why so angry? What's going on there? Frank, why don't you talk to me? By the way, I've offered many times for you to come on the show, offered to go on your show actually.
And it got me thinking: what is Frank hiding? Frank wants us to believe that he was with Charlie in Arizona. He was in the 48 hours leading up to his death. We are to believe that he went on this walk with him on September 8th because Charlie just needed debate tips. And that would just continue — Charlie's sudden need to be coached on how to debate. Frank would then join Charlie the next day for that now-infamous Zoom call, because Charlie desperately needed help with debating — specifically from two Israeli officials at 4:00 a.m. in the morning their time: a Rabbi Wicki who was stateside, and Josh Hammer, a Jewish man who thus far has really accomplished nothing in his life other than being annoying and trying to hawk his book off the back of Charlie's death. The same Josh Hammer who was caught lying profusely — I've never seen someone caught lying in the way that he was caught lying about Charlie's views shifting over Israel. Day in and day out he kept saying, "Oh no, he never flinched," until I dropped the text message.
We know Blake Neff was also on that Zoom call — because what, he's some debating expert? Because people look at Blake Neff and go, "Hey, I really would like some social advice from that guy." And of course Andrew Kolvet, because he's brilliant. All of these characters gathered on a Zoom call to help Charlie Kirk — a literal boy wonder who was on the fast track to become president of the United States, who attended an X-Men school for the gifted growing up, someone who had a higher IQ than all of them actually. But yeah, we are to believe he jumped on that Zoom call because he just needed to strengthen his arguments.
Okay. Let's just accept all of that at face value. That two hours after he announced he was abandoning the pro-Israel cause — something that they all felt the need to lie about, something that Andrew Kolvet felt the need to give to Tulsi Gabbard's office following his death — just two hours after that, Charlie then felt the need to have a pro-Israel Zoom call to be coached by people who are dumber than him. And during that call, he was texting people that he was worried he was going to be killed the next day.
Okay, let's roll with the narrative. The thing that I can't roll with, Frank, is the CPR story.
The CPR Discrepancy
The CPR story from the next day — I can't accept that at face value. It's been bugging me for a while. The idea that Brian Harpole, who has said multiple times they did not perform CPR during that extremely short ride over to the hospital, was just distracted and didn't notice that Frank Turek did. Just consider the space. Consider them telling us that Charlie was so long that they had to leave the door open and his legs had to hang out. But we're now supposed to believe that they somehow shifted him — or Frank Turek shifted him by himself — and nobody noticed, and in just a couple of minutes he jumped on top of him and performed CPR. But Brian was busy. Brian was just too busy.
And yet Brian felt the need to actually stress how not only did he not perform CPR, but that CPR would have been against emergency protocol. Here is what Brian Harpole said to Paramount — Not So Tactical. Take a listen.
Brian Harpole: "Was CPR being conducted during this time? You know, no, because right now I've got to stop that bleeding."
"I had heard conflicting reports and I was a little confused by that. Like, we can't start doing CPR before the bleeding stops."
"And people don't understand that prioritization of care, right? So it's like I've got to get that bleeding stopped before — and then I knew that we were not that far from the hospital, and the human body can — I've got to stop that bleeding. Just got to stop the bleeding. And so that was my primary — you know, that's the chief complaint from the patient that I have right here. And so I'm going after that bleed control, trying to stop that. And so we go to the hospital. I'm just working him the whole time out of that kit and just putting him on."
Candace Owens: And then we of course know that he told Shawn Ryan in the car crash interview that Frank was praying in the back — he didn't get involved. It was him and him only, actually, in terms of providing emergency care. And yet miraculously, Frank Turek had a different memory. Here is what Frank said regarding the CPR.
Frank Turek: "Brian is correct that most of the ride we weren't doing any CPR. We couldn't do CPR — we're trying to stop the bleeding. So no CPR was done. It wasn't until the last, say, 30 seconds of the ride that I thought to myself, we've got to be near — like eight or nine minutes — and he's not breathing and there's no heartbeat. I've got to at least try. It's probably going to be futile, but I've got to at least try to start his heart and get some air in him. So I tried that for like 20 or 30 seconds at the very end of the ride when we're pulling into the hospital parking lot and we're yanking and banking our way there."
Candace Owens: And then he goes on to say that Brian was just distracted. Thirty seconds of seated CPR. I don't accept that Brian was just distracted in the car and didn't realize that Frank had hopped over from the trunk and laid Charlie down in a specific manner that he would have to be laid down to begin performing CPR.
So I had to ask myself the obvious: if I believe Frank is lying and that Brian is telling the truth — which is what I believe — and I don't believe it's just a discrepancy, because Brian said it across multiple interviews, then I have to ask myself: why would Frank be lying? Just to write himself in as a hero? The answer I came up with is that he needs to justify — he needs to come up with a reason as to why he changed his clothes into surgical scrubs. Because that's another bizarre fact of the story. We're told that a hospital willfully gave out surgical scrubs. And if there is footage of Frank wearing surgical scrubs, people would naturally wonder why.
I started asking myself: is Frank simply getting ahead of the inevitability — the questions that he knows are going to come later about why he's wearing surgical scrubs when everyone can see that Frank jumped into the trunk of the car and actually did not touch Charlie? Like I said, Brian didn't even suggest that Rick Cutler got involved. Rick Cutler was just holding him because Charlie's feet — they caught a tail. The police came because Charlie's feet were hanging out.
The FaceTime Call with Pastor Jack Hibbs
Now, we know that Frank, when he got to the hospital, immediately FaceTimed Pastor Jack Hibbs. We had that terrible interview where Frank goes through great lengths to remind Pastor Hibbs that he had blood all over him. He's kind of leading the answer — like, "And I remember I had all the blood all over me." It sounds to me like he's again trying to publicly justify why he changed into surgical scrubs. Take a listen.
Jack Hibbs: "I'm trying to remember the sequence of things. I either got the first call from you or from Mikey. It was one or the other. It was very, very close. I do believe you were the first one. That was after we got to the hospital."
Frank Turek: "Okay. Then I got the first call from Mikey, because I was in the emergency room after we got Charlie there."
Jack Hibbs: "I remember I called you."
Frank Turek: "I remember what you were saying. Yeah. Okay. So Mikey called and he said, 'Jack, get everyone in the world praying. There's so much blood. There's so much.' And he was beside himself, as you can imagine."
Jack Hibbs: "Man, in that moment when I got that, I didn't believe it."
Frank Turek: "Then I FaceTimed you. We were talking. You saw — I had blood on me."
Candace Owens: It seemed like that was Frank's memory, not Jack's. "You saw that I had blood on me."
The Parking Lot Eyewitness
Actually, if you go back and look all over the internet, there was just one eyewitness that came forward that we could find who claimed to see them arriving at the hospital. He posted his testimony — I think it was way back in September, actually. So this was long before Brian Harpole was making the rounds publicly, before anybody was giving interviews, before there were these alleged discrepancies emerging in the public sphere. And the eyewitness claimed that he was sitting in the parking lot eating his lunch at Timpanogos and he described seeing a man get out of — crucially — the trunk. Take a listen.
Eyewitness: "And then I was parked right here. And when they pulled in here, some dude gets out in the back. Some dude's in the back — like of the SUV. He has like a white hat on. And he gets out from the — I don't know what he's doing in the back. He's in — no, not like in the back seat. He's in the back, like the hatch of the SUV opens up. Dude gets out. Driver gets out. He's a bald-headed dude. And then they're met by some people right here. Then they threw — well, whoever's in the back seat — like on a — what's that table they come, they throw your ass on and then wheel you in?"
Candace Owens: It's a gurney. He is recalling Frank getting out of the boot of the trunk — where we saw Frank get into. Now, if that account is accurate, that would suggest that Frank actually never left the trunk area during that short ride. So it would be a wonder as to how Frank managed to get so much blood on him that he would need to change into hospital scrubs — which we then learned were provided by Mikey. Another strange development: that the hospital staff would just give them out, not just hand them out themselves, but instead give them to Charlie's young assistant who arrived later.
But we shouldn't speculate, right? We aren't going to reveal to you footage from inside of the hospital — not yet, at least. Rather, we're going to show you some more never-before-seen footage from September 10th that I think will call into question the surgical scrub narrative.
Blake Heriff and the Surgical Scrubs
Okay, this is Blake Heriff. You will recall I've shown you Blake Heriff before. He was a member of Charlie's security detail that day. He was the one who slid across the table and then just booked it to the car. Blake did not help to carry Charlie to the car. He went with Justin Davis, sprinted ahead to open the car. Blake Heriff did not head to the hospital with the rest of them in that car. So he and Justin sprint ahead. Justin drives to the hospital, but Blake Heriff stays behind.
I'm stressing this because I want you to know, as we go through this, that Blake Heriff does not get any of Charlie's blood on him. For good measure, here is a still of him sliding across the table — I'm showing you this so you can see his shirt. And here he is running to the car ahead and not laying a finger on Charlie.
Thereafter, he comes around. Frank Turek gets into the boot. And for extra good measure, because the point I'm making is important, here's a shot of him and his shirt that I'm asking you to pay attention to after Charlie's SUV pulled off. This is just after the SUV pulls off. Here comes Blake Heriff running, and we get a very clear, good shot of his shirt without any blood on it. He's got no blood on his shirt. And they're all wearing these little — it kind of looks like they're miked up, but everyone on the security team, I think, is just radioed in.
Okay. Blake was clean. That's the point I'm making. He was clean, and he did not go to the hospital in the bloodied SUV where you could make any argument that he did CPR for 30 seconds at the very end. So I would like to know — because I'm a nosy person — how and why and when Blake Heriff, just like Frank Turek, put on surgical scrubs. Because by the end of the night, he's going to be wearing surgical scrubs. Hospital surgical scrubs.
I want you to take a look at our guys arriving back to UVU sometime after 8:30 p.m. that evening. And I'm going to point to Blake Heriff, who will now be wearing a Timpanogos surgical scrub for a top. Take a look. There he is, and he is wearing surgical scrubs. And as you see in the corner there, there's Brian Harpole. The person in the white hat is not Frank Turek — that is actually Rick Cutler, and he's in head-to-toe surgical scrubs. What's going on, you guys?
Justin Davis is also wearing surgical scrubs on top. The driver who did not touch Charlie — but hey, you could maybe make an argument, right? Why is Blake wearing surgical scrubs? He didn't touch Charlie while getting into the vehicle. Neither did Justin Davis, by the way. We can give Justin Davis the benefit of the doubt and assume that when they got to the hospital, he touched Charlie. Dan Flood is also wearing surgical scrubs, but we know he carried Charlie. Rick Cutler certainly carried Charlie and was in the vehicle. Frank Turek — he seems to be suffering from a discrepancy. He seems to believe he gave Charlie CPR. Okay, we'll give it to him.
Blake Heriff — by all means, please help me understand why Blake Heriff would be wearing surgical scrubs by the end of the night. Where's everybody getting all these surgical scrubs from? What goes on at Timpanogos?
Help us sort through this information. What are we missing? Timpanogos might be the nicest hospital ever. Honestly, I kind of think they should be investigated. It doesn't seem like a hospital that's following the hospital protocols that we're all familiar with. It seems like a risk to just be handing out surgical scrubs to everyone, apparently for no reason. Could you imagine if people pretending to be doctors and surgeons were just going to the back? They're also allowing Brian Harpole to jump on patients and cut their shirts. That doesn't seem to follow protocol. They're also allowing him to start shouting about what medications to give to somebody. Who is this guy? Why are you here? And why are they responding to Brian Harpole telling them what medicines Charlie would be taking? That seems weird. Also, why is he guarding the door?
This seems very extreme. Were they just being so nice that day? Did Blake feel left out? Did Blake just want to put on surgical scrubs because the team wanted to match — they were all wearing plaid, now they're all wearing surgical scrubs? And when did he put them on? That's what I want to know. When and where did he put them on? And most importantly, why?
And also, while we are discussing this, I can't make out if that's Charlie's jacket that Brian Harpole is holding in this footage. Let me know what you think, because they've all got these brown bags which I believe are holding their clothes. And I do see Brian Harpole holding a jacket. It could be Charlie's. Let me know your opinion. Let's watch this together. There's Brian there holding a jacket. That's Alex Fria who he just hugged. That there in the corner in the white hat is Rick Cutler. Blake Heriff in surgical scrubs — that's who you see up in the top there.
I just want to know what's going on. I don't know about this story about Mikey handing out surgical scrubs. Did more security go to the hospital? That certainly is plausible — that they just went later, maybe as an afterthought. But why are we putting on surgical scrubs if we don't have blood on us?
Frank, I just want to know. It's just on my mind today. I figure I'd toss out another offer rather than giving all of these biblically based sermons about Candace, who just wants to find out what happened on September 10th and claimed to be a friend of Charlie. I can just toss out another offer for you to come join me on my show, or I can join you on yours. We can talk through all this stuff and you can make sense of all of this rather than shouting and growing increasingly angry as the questions mount. And let me tell you, the questions are going to continue to mount because we're barely getting started here.
The Doctor at Timpanogos
There is a doctor at Timpanogos Hospital who worked on Charlie. I'm not going to name the doctor today, but we have learned that there was allegedly a disagreement during or immediately after the surgery where this doctor felt the need to recuse himself and completely remove himself from the situation altogether. He asked to have his name removed from anything to do with it — off all of the records and anything that was related to what transpired on September 10th. He apparently is in a weird state about whatever went down. I am told he is out of character in that regard and gets very uncomfortable and weird when anybody asks him about what happened, which led to him recusing himself from the operating room and wanting to be removed from all paperwork. Why would that be? Just putting that out there. We are going to follow up on that story, but I wanted you guys to know that Timpanogos seems like a weird place. Very weird place.
The Panguitch Steakhouse Receipt
Now I want to talk to you about this Panguitch receipt. Andrew Wilson, when he came here, obviously was not sent to debate me on the evidence in the case — that's why he lost so brutally. He was sent to try to entrap me in a lawsuit via out-of-context clips, trying to get me to say something defamatory on record. He was also sent to defend Israel and Erika, because that seems to go hand in hand. And lastly, and most obscurely, to demand that I remove the Panguitch steakhouse visit from our official timeline. He was really up in arms about that official timeline.
To refresh your memory, we had covered the story of Tyler Robinson's alleged visit to the Cowboy's Smokehouse back in January of this year — literally January 6th when we covered this. We were not the only ones, by the way. This was not just a random Reddit item. It was mainstreamed at the time. The New York Post covered it: "Utah restaurant owner claims that Tyler Robinson stopped in after Charlie Kirk killing, reveals what the alleged assassin ordered." Fox News also covered the story: "One of Tyler Robinson's last meals as a free man may have been a steak dinner, medium rare."
And I covered it on the podcast, spoke to the owner at that time. Suddenly, this six-month-old story became a focal point ahead of the preliminary hearing. We learned the Department of Defense was somehow involved in getting all of these influencers — more on that later, because we have figured out how people are getting paid. But suddenly a bunch of people were trying to debunk this specific story. Then there was a citizen journalist who goes by Diligent Denizen who dropped an interview with one of the waiters that was working that night, and he then released a receipt to go along with it, because people were saying that he was lying and making it up.
When I first saw this, I assumed that he was working with the owner, because people were essentially calling the owner a liar. That may not have been the circumstance — I'm not sure. The receipt, of course, has been verified. It is real. Here is the receipt. And it was met with a bunch of people then insisting at various times that the receipt was fake, that the receipt was non-existent, that the story had somehow been debunked, that people were lying. Lying about what, exactly?
Now, I had not spoken with that owner since January. So I was very surprised by this story being unearthed again. And when I spoke to him, he was incredibly kind, straightforward, and forthcoming about what he knew and what he didn't know. Obviously, I'm not the only person he spoke to. And he didn't claim to be there that night. He basically told the story — he was just a responsible character. Your servers come to you and say, "I served this man last night. I'm certain it was him." He contacted the FBI at that time, and they then pulled this receipt. Apparently, since July, they have been severely harassed out of nowhere — people writing bad reviews of the restaurant. Completely psychotic. I don't know where that's coming from. My guess would be it would be the fed-sloppers doing that, because they wanted this story to go away. They want it to be debunked. He just did the right thing as any good citizen would do.
And then Andrew Wilson drops this signature as a debunking — a signature that was pulled — and says, "Well, this is not Tyler Robinson's signature, so we can all move on from the idea that Tyler Robinson was at this steakhouse." That is completely and utterly wrong. First and foremost, people pointed out that this is your standard electronic signature — like those CVS electronic signature things. I draw on those things. I mean, I don't even kind of sign my name because it's so difficult to sign on them. So I just thought this looks like scribble to me. Basic scribble that we've all done. Some do the driver's license scribble because it's just hard to actually write on these things.
But I first want to tell you why this really matters before I softly try to suggest to you what I have learned. The reason why this receipt matters so deeply — why it suddenly became of the utmost importance, why they started focusing on this during the preliminary hearing week when they were just upping their attacks on everybody — is that if there was so much evidence, why did they have to attack people who were investigating this rather than just allowing the evidence to speak for itself?
Panguitch is a three-hour drive away from UVU campus. There's no way around it. You will recall that Tyler's messages to Lance that evening put him in Orem by 11:45 p.m. He also texts Lance that he was at UVU around 9:00 p.m. when he saw the K9s. But the steakhouse receipt, if it's verified, would mean that he didn't leave the steakhouse until about 9:47 p.m. at the earliest. That makes all of those late-night text messages impossible.
So that's why this deeply matters. If it is proven that he was at the Cowboy's Smokehouse, then Tyler Robinson would not have been able to make it back up to Orem until 1:47 a.m. at the earliest. I'm going to reiterate that for you because it's very important. If the steakhouse receipt is confirmed, it removes any possibility that the text messages were sent from Tyler Robinson.
Unless — I guess you could say he was just lying and pretending he was on campus. It doesn't remove every possibility. Currently the case hinges almost entirely on these text messages to Lance. We've gone through everything else. But the text messages — if the steakhouse receipt is confirmed, Tyler could not be behind the wheel driving his car when it is stopped by Officer Goforth at 12:36 a.m. He wouldn't have been able to make it back in time. If the steakhouse receipt is confirmed, Tyler could not be driving his car when it's parked outside the neighbor's house — Mrs. Noble's house — at 12:38. That would be why she saw a bald man driving with two other people, because it wouldn't be Tyler Robinson driving. If the steakhouse receipt is confirmed, Tyler cannot be the one who gets out of his car and walks toward campus at 12:50 in the morning. If the steakhouse receipt is confirmed, Tyler cannot be the one who used his phone to start a Google Maps route from Mrs. Noble's house to the apartment in St. George at 1:33 a.m.
So a lot hinges on this steakhouse receipt. While they were all freaking out and trying to distract, I decided to investigate the matter further.
Here's what I will say, because I very much trust my sources. I think you guys probably trust my sources by now. No matter how many times they keep saying Candace has no evidence, I just don't think there's anybody who's presented more evidence than me and this show — including video testimonies, people that we have spoken to who were there on the ground that day. I think by now you have seen that my sources have been validated. If you go back and watch our show from the beginning of this investigation, we were telling you what they were lying about. They're now pulling back on their narrative, and I haven't pulled back one inch on mine. We haven't had to say, "Uh oh, we got that completely wrong." They have to do that.
So I'm going to say that when we first looked into this story, and after I spoke to the owner, I was probably personally at about a 60% chance that the receipt might have belonged to Tyler Robinson. We obviously did our best to verify it. The owner, like I said, was very forthcoming with what he knew. He wasn't like, "This was 100% him." But again, we had that blind spot — this relies on the memory of the server or the servers. It doesn't necessarily make it true. They could be telling the truth and think they saw this person, but it could be somebody else. That's why we put it on our official timeline — because we did our due diligence — but we certainly would have never said we were 100% sure. We were open to the possibility that as we got through the trial, this could be debunked and it could have just been a case of misremembering.
Same thing we've said about Mitch Snow at Fort Wachuka. We did our due diligence. We confirmed he was there, what hotel he was at. We confirmed that he had this dust-up with the military police. But can we confirm that he actually saw Erika Kirk in the lobby or that he actually saw Brian Harpole? No, because that relies on his memory. So our hands are tied.
What I can tell you now is that after going to my sources, I am moving myself from a 60% — which was where I was at — to a 95% certainty that it was Tyler Robinson's debit card that was swiped at the Cowboy's Smokehouse on that night. So I'm not just putting this on the unofficial timeline. I'm bolding that now. I'm at a 95% certainty, with what I know and what I am going to suggest will come out during this trial, that it was Tyler Robinson's card that was swiped at the Cowboy's Smokehouse on that night.
Now, did somebody else have his credit card? It's possible. Of course it's possible. Was somebody dressed like him, looked like him, but had his credit card? That's a possibility I'm open to. But I'm again going to stress that I'm at 95% certainty that the card that was used belonged to Tyler Robinson.
Like I said, this will become a fixture in the case, because now that is where we are — we are moving to the trial. It is now the job of Tyler Robinson's defense team to confirm or deny what I am saying. An electronic record is not something that can just be lied about and wiped away. The evidence either exists or it doesn't. So I am basically all in on saying that it does, and I will leave it at that.
Viewer Comments
Candace Owens: Top comments from yesterday's episode. Talks writes: "One year and it seems like only yesterday. Rest in peace, Charlie." Yes, time moved very, very quickly this year, and also very slowly in some ways. We'll get into that tomorrow.
Matt Callaway writes: "What Blakey meant when he was in the hospital lobby was, quote, 'Candace is going to figure this out.'" What a totally absurd and bizarre thing for him to share. But they were worried about me when they were in the hospital. They're worried because I have a knack for conspiracies — that means they had full confidence that it wasn't a conspiracy, and they had just found out that Charlie had died. That makes me uncomfortable. You should be unnerved by that. That's very strange. They should have been open to all possibilities. They should have been conspiracy theorists sitting in that hospital lobby, and rather they're talking about me. I don't even know that creature. So that makes it even more bizarre. Why? Why is Blake saying my name, talking about me? Who is he talking to? Why does he have amnesia? It's a lot, but we will keep the pressure on them.
Comments from today's episode. Someone writes: "If my friend was one, being pressured by a serial killer for months; two, the serial killer found my friend's political influence to be an existential threat; three, my friend was fighting with the serial killer the day before the murder — I would think the serial killer was involved even if I could not prove it yet in court." Yeah, I do think that would be the normal common sense — follow who was peer-pressuring him, who stood to benefit, who's lying about what happened in the days leading up to it. You don't lie unless you have something to cover up.
Legally Blonde writes: "Did you see Charlie's family in Chicago? Megan Kelly has Frank Turek on her show today. Thoughts? He was Charlie's good friend — quote-unquote good friend." I haven't actually seen that clip. My thoughts are I'd like to see it. I tend to find that when people like so many clips of Megan Kelly and these people speaking to her become very relevant in our investigation. So I don't discourage it. It's a good thing for these people to keep talking and to edit their stories and then to get angry when we call them out on their quote-unquote discrepancies. So I'm okay with it. And I did not see Charlie's family in Chicago — if you're speaking about me going to the concert, no, I just went to the concert.
Amira Musa writes: "Mountains of evidence can never equal a proof. I've sent a straightforward physics-based proof that no .306 was used. Please check for something for me. This will be worth the six-minute video, I promise." I already do not believe a .306 was used. I don't believe in Superman necks. I just don't believe in men-of-steel necks. A miracle lasting through — I wouldn't even have to see that because of common sense, but thank you for sending it.
Tony Hill writes: "Hi, Candace. I'm so happy to hear you and Kanye got to catch up over the weekend. When you spoke about his influence yesterday, it took me down memory lane. I listened to The College Dropout every single day in high school and it got me through a lot." Yeah, you can always kind of remember — that's the thing about music, it always brings back nostalgia and where you were at in your life and how much you have transformed since you heard that song. That's why the Kid Cudi surprise was just amazing. I mean, at the end of that concert, my millennial heart was thinking about my college experiences because Kid Cudi actually did perform at my university in Rhode Island and I went to go see him perform.
Lovers Rock Productions writes: "Andrew Wilson wants to call himself the master debater, but I'm surprised no one has pointed out how excited Charlie was when South Park so eloquently bestowed the title upon him. Did a full episode about it. Andrew wants so badly to be Charlie." Oh gosh, don't even say that. It's so crazy that they would even have him training students. He's such a dark character. He's obviously not very smart and he is not guided by truth. Maybe there are some impressive debates that he's done, but I can't see them. I think he's someone who became very accustomed to speaking to women who are insecure, and he speaks to a lot of OnlyFans models — that's my understanding of what he leans into on whatever podcast. And he actually hasn't had an adult debate in a very long time. It's just kind of pathetic that Turning Point is getting this desperate, partnering with someone like that and not being able to sense their own demise in doing something like that. There never seems to be a long-term strategy to anything that Turning Point USA is doing. It's like they expect the company is not going to survive much longer and they're just sort of throwing spaghetti on the wall and seeing what will stick.
Natty Nicole writes: "Candace, you're giving 'I Know What You Did Last Summer' and we are here for it." Yeah, I Know What You Did Last Summer — which is so funny because we started with that graphic. Remember when Seth Dylan cried about that and was like, "I got death threats because of a thumbnail"? Like, what? These men are such blubbering babies.
Who Knows What writes: "Can look absolutely stunning. Greetings from Australia. I am so upset at our government for not letting you come in and missing out on seeing you. Go max." I know — it's not permanent, by the way. It's just what they do in Australia. Tony Burke banned me because the Zionist lobby lobbied, and it was sad that that got canceled. I was really looking forward to going, but I'll be there one day. I'm sure someday it will happen. Kanye also is the other person who's banned there. Maybe it will be for a Kanye concert if he gets approved.
Caro writes: "When this is all said and done, you should totally write a book about this whole investigation, similar to the book Chaos. Thank you for your dedication. Go max." That's a great idea. That is a fantastic idea. I really respected deeply the dedication and the persistence of Tom O'Neill in writing the book Chaos — falling down the rabbit hole and really realizing nothing we were told was true, and government involvement. It's difficult to imagine someone dedicating decades of their life to finding the answers, and he did that. It's a fantastic read.
Oh Seven Sheets wrote: "I missed one. Wow, just great work. This is the kind of show that we needed on this horrible anniversary — for Charlie, for truth, in faith, and in awe of your tenacity. Thank you so much." And like I said, you're such a person that consistently gives to us and supports the show and everything that we're doing, and it's noticed even though I don't know who you are.