Candace Owens covers Republican midterm messaging, Erika Kirk's school visits, and the UVU rooftop investigation
Solo episode of the Candace Owens podcast covering several political and cultural topics ahead of the midterm elections.
Summary
This solo episode covers five main topics. It opens with a segment on the UNF America group's trolling of Turning Point USA's 'conspiracy night' at UNLV, using it to critique TPUSA's retreat from genuine free speech and open debate on college campuses. Owens then critiques Republican messaging ahead of the midterms, arguing that the party has stumbled — from Trump's dismissal of Epstein concerns, to the Iran war, to Vivek Ramaswami's campaign running an attack ad exploiting his opponent's childhood sexual abuse. She covers Erika Kirk's continued appearances at K–12 schools, focusing on a new incident at Fayetteville Christian School in North Carolina, where parents raised concerns about security and whether they were properly consulted. She responds at length to commentator Allie Beth Stuckey's argument that Christians should avoid horror films and true crime content, arguing this inverts the actual meaning of the 'do not fear' scriptures and represents a broader problem of opinion being dressed up as biblical command. Finally, she returns to the UVU rooftop investigation, presenting viewer observations that the tall individual seen on the rooftop — dubbed 'Slenderman' — may be the same person previously identified as 'Waluigi,' seen in the admissions parking lot the morning of Charlie Kirk's death, though she frames this as speculation rather than confirmed fact.
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FULL TRANSCRIPT
Opening and Republican Midterm Messaging
Candace Owens: Happy Wednesday. Only two more shows — technically this is my last solo show because tomorrow we're going to be joined by Baron Coleman. But today I just want to discuss the midterms a little bit. They're just around the corner, and the Republican messaging has been exceptional. That's the best way I could put it. Exceptional. It stands out. It's different. They're definitely trying something new. I feel like we went from tough on crime to soft on rape or something. That's been the overall messaging since the Epstein files.
There's a major blunder from Vivek Ramaswami's gubernatorial campaign that I want to discuss, which is kind of the icing on the cake. Also in Christian land, Allie Stucky is causing some mayhem online with a new call to action for Christians — no scary movies, because it's unbiblical. Erika Kirk is causing mayhem, as she always is, down in North Carolina at a middle school, because she has kind of just decided, as we've been covering extensively on the show, that it's really just her right to have access to your children. The parents aren't really having it. This time they spoke out to the press, and I'll tell you about that. We also received a ton of emails from you guys regarding many of you who noticed that our Slenderman on the Loy rooftop looks a lot like somebody else that we introduced to you earlier. So we'll get to that as well. Let's jump right in.
UNF America Trolls Turning Point USA's Conspiracy Night
Okay, so broadly speaking, everybody knows that I am a committed far-right future dictator of America. But that said, sometimes you do have to respect when the other side — the left — does something that is hilarious. The UNF America group, they're on the left, and they basically see themselves as at war with Turning Point USA for ideas on college campuses. They did objectively do something that was funny. The group's founder, Z. Cohen, caught wind that Turning Point USA was unironically hosting a conspiracy night at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. And I'm not even entirely sure why they would do that — I feel like you're kind of inviting somebody to joke around with you. But anyway, Cohen got up and decided to attend that event and presented on the obvious elephant in the room. If you're going to do a conspiracy night, there are some conspiracies floating around Turning Point USA. Here is what she said before she was immediately shut down.
Z. Cohen: "Guys, I can't make this up. Turning Point is doing conspiracy night at our local college, so we're going to show up. Come walk with me. This is a conspiracy that I have actually thought a lot about, and that is that I think Turning Point USA might have had something to do with the Charlie Kirk murder. I think that Candace has just been asking questions."
Candace Owens: And he instantly says, "Sorry, my bosses who are supposed to be free speech advocates actually said that is the one that we cannot answer any questions regarding, and we don't do that anymore. We don't do free speech on college campuses for Turning Point USA."
Honestly, I would have preferred that if she was going to troll, she asked them about the vandalized statue, because I'm all in on that conspiracy theory. I do believe it was an inside job — a desperate fundraiser ploy concocted by Turning Point Action as a one-year anniversary tribute to Charlie's death. This statue, oh no, it's been vandalized. And I guess we're never going to know who did it because the vandals were wearing masks.
Anyway, I will say this. The UNF America group — this is my prediction, not my preference — is going to gain ground on college campuses. Ground that Charlie had achieved. And it's not exactly a bold prediction, because what's being demonstrated is that they're at least willing to go to college campuses. They're at least willing to have debates, even if the crowd size is small. That's important. Not having an ego, engaging in that back and forth, believing in the principle of free speech, having your ideas challenged — that was how Charlie Kirk built his organization. But suddenly it seems like Turning Point USA is reticent to do that. They now screen questions. The amount of emails I get from people saying that the questions are being screened, that you're not allowed to ask certain questions, that you effectively have to trick Turning Point to be able to surprise whoever's on stage with a question — the audience is completely inorganic. There are donors, people that don't go to the school, TPUSA staff members. Everything is now feeling like a carefully constructed facade. It's lost the energy.
And the worst part is that they're now forcing events on underage kids. I will never get over this. It's something that I'm covering regularly because it is atrocious. As a mother, this is atrocious.
Erika Kirk's Visit to Fayetteville Christian School
And ladies and gentlemen, that's exactly what is happening down in Fayetteville, North Carolina. I want to be clear — I covered this a couple of days ago and I didn't name a school. This is a different school from that school. This time I actually can name the school because this particular event has drummed up enough controversy that it spilled out into the local press. This is not the Veterans Day event that I covered the other day. It seems that Erika is now forcing her presence at Fayetteville Christian School, according to the parents.
Check out this article. As we go through it, I want you to keep in mind that this is once again a K through 12 campus. So for people overseas who have a different school structure, we're talking about a school where students range from five years old to seventeen years of age. The headline reads: "City View: Erika Kirk visit to Fayetteville Christian School concerns some parents." It tells us that the leader of the right-wing group Turning Point USA appears at the school during a private event on October 28th. Parents question whether it's safe for students.
The article reads: "An appearance by Erika Kirk, the CEO and board chair of the conservative organization Turning Point USA, at Fayetteville Christian School in late October is raising concerns from some parents about the security and the school's priorities. Kirk is scheduled to address junior high and high school students about civic engagement at the private Christian school on October 28th. According to an announcement from the school provided to City View, she assumed leadership of the organization days after the September 2025 assassination of her husband Charlie Kirk. In an announcement to families, Tammy Peters, the Fayetteville Christian co-founder and head of school, described Erika Kirk's visit as an honor. She wrote, 'This is quite an honor for FCS because she only speaks at a few schools each year.' But some parents questioned the school's priorities, saying, 'I chose a private Christian education because I expect an environment that prioritizes my child's academic development, spiritual growth, and above all, physical safety.' Parents interviewed by City View questioned how the appearance fits into their chapel instruction, what additional security will involve, and why families were not consulted before the visit was announced."
Now, I can tell you the parents are telling the truth again. I still am kind of going back in my mind to when they were gaslighting us and pretending this wasn't happening. Remember the first Club America? They were like, "Look at how many people showed up." And I said, "Hey, this was forced on them. It's an assembly." And they were like, "No, it's not." And now it's just kind of all spinning out of control. It's so weird to reflect on the very many lies they tell all the time. They can't tell the truth about anything.
But here's where we are. The parents are telling you the truth. Again, this was sort of dropped on them in an email. And I do want to say, by the way, thank you to the many great parents out there who attend this school and who have emailed us with the details. Because of you, we are now in possession of the full email that was sent out on October 2nd informing the parents that it was their distinct honor to host the widow. Here's what the email reads:
"Dear FCS families, we are honored and excited to share that Erika Kirk's team reached out to Fayetteville Christian School and invited us to host her for a special chapel service."
Okay, that's interesting. So they're now reaching out and saying, you can invite me, you can host me. The email continues:
"This is quite an honor for FCS since she only speaks at a few schools each year. She will be speaking to our junior high and high school students. Her message will focus on the importance of civic engagement and the responsibility that we have as citizens to be informed, involved, and engaged in our communities. Due to limited space, we are unable to accommodate guests from outside of the FCS community. The invitation is reserved for FCS parents and families. We are not advertising this event to the public, but extra security will be in place. Parents who plan to attend must arrive between the designated times and must check in through the office. FCS parents and family members who wish to attend must RSVP in advance. Please use the form below so that we can make appropriate seating arrangements. Because space is limited, seats will be reserved in the order that RSVPs are received. We are truly grateful for this special opportunity and we look forward to welcoming Mrs. Erika Kirk to Fayetteville Christian School. Go Warriors."
Go Warriors. I feel like this Tammy Peters is just gaslighting everybody. This is amazing. You're going to love it. It's so wonderful that we got this unique opportunity.
Guys, this is creepy. This is Halloween creepy. This is not normal. Again, for our listeners outside the United States — they're saying junior high and high school, so we're talking about students aged eleven through seventeen. Imagine your eleven-year-old comes home. This is not normal. This has not happened in America. Maybe you might see a circumstance for the First Lady, or I can think of when Michelle Obama launched her healthy eating initiative and picked a few schools to go encourage the kids to work out and joined some gym classes. That's something you might see in America. You don't see a political organization going around just dropping a widow in the same year — or just after the one-year anniversary — of a public assassination.
This was not Charlie Kirk's vision. So why is Erika doing this? Why can't we leave the kids alone? How is she not creeping herself out at this point? Initially she was creeping out the public. How is she now not creeping herself out? That's a more important question, because I would give myself the ick if parents kept writing in and saying, "I am not comfortable with you forcing your ideas on my underage children," and I just said, "I'm going to do it anyway." It feels predatory. It just feels predatory. It's not respecting parents.
Especially in the rather extreme context of the constant messaging that has come out of this organization — that Erika's under attack, she's facing threats, the organization is under attack, statues are being vandalized on their campus and headquarters, and despite 24/7 security they can't catch the gang bangers that are after them. They are permanently under duress. They cited multiple death threats. Remember, NBC did an entire article calling me a digital assassin. And yet, parents are supposed to be chill because your middle schooler — sometimes your preschooler — well, when she gets there, everything's fine. She's welcoming herself to underage audiences and you should not have any concerns about that. I'm sorry, but no, that does not make sense.
Also, I cannot imagine why they just continue to try to sell this under the banner of faith and chapel, when this feels to me more like a military operation — like the Department of Defense is just forcing her on the public despite our very many objections. And I'm going to continue to cover how her access to underage children unnerves me. It makes me uncomfortable given the great many scandals of child abuse that are running tangential to this organization.
I do think that somebody — maybe it's me on maternity leave — should take the time to think through what all of these Christian schools have in common that they are willing to subject their student body to this for no reason. There has to be some common denominator. I'm going to guess military. We'll see. Because we know these common denominators exist in our separate investigation into what took place on September 10th. There's a picture that is emerging. Too many people are tied to the theme of child abuse and human trafficking — whether it's "I work for IAC," "I work for Internet Crimes Against Children," "I run a human trafficking org," "I work for the special victims unit and focus on human trafficking and children." Or on the other side, "I happen to be here that day working on this event," and "my brother, my uncle, my sister, my father is currently facing charges for child abuse." It's a theme, and it has been noted.
I myself have wondered aloud whether Lance Twiggs was not blackmailed by the state for an internet crime. That feels right to me given everything that we know. It's my opinion that he may have helped to set Tyler Robinson up as a patsy because he got caught in something online. There's a lot of evidence pointing to that plausibility. Certainly a lot is beginning to pile up.
The Slenderman and Waluigi Rooftop Footage
Yesterday we showed you guys an exclusive video — a couple of videos actually — of someone who can fairly be described as an exceptionally tall individual who was back on that Loy rooftop twenty minutes after Charlie Kirk got hit. I've made it clear, for a lot of reasons, that I believe this is the same individual who at 12:23, or just before 12:23, executes that military crawl across the Loy Center rooftop, gets into a position, and then sprints away and jumps off the rooftop. I believe that this military man returned to the scene of the non-crime — because I do not believe that Charlie was shot from that rooftop. I believe they were putting on a show and it was a distraction.
Well, we received a ton of emails from you guys last night, and many of you noted something that we had noted as well, which is why I've been slowly telling you the story — that the Slenderman, as we've been referring to him, on the rooftop looks a lot like a character that we introduced to you earlier, who we called Waluigi. Because Waluigi's legs don't lie. That is a dominant genetic trait. Waluigi's legs — he just looks like him. He's shaped like him. And you guys noticed that. And when I saw the rooftop footage, I was like, "These legs look familiar to me."
A very tall man parked a gray Dodge Challenger in the admissions lot that morning, and he appeared to be tailed by a black SUV. They show up at the same time. They leave at the same time. And you guys might also recall that he struggled to park the car — it's like the Austin Powers scene, back and forth, back and forth. I actually have a theory on that, by the way. I think he could be from a country that drives on the other side of the road. Their entire steering wheel is on the opposite side, and it would trip up your brain if you then had to drive a car in America. Anyway, it's just a theory. There's no evidence of that, obviously.
Here is Waluigi — I'm going to show you this clip that we already showed you, showing him first by himself. Remember, this was at around 8:00 a.m. in the morning in the admissions lot, which a lot of students refer to as the admin lot. Now I'm going to show you this side-by-side footage of Slenderman and Waluigi, potentially the same person walking. I think we also have them walking the same way. I've definitely noted some strong similarities, and I'm glad that you guys saw that. Suffice it to say, I tend to agree with you. So much so that I was tempted to just call him Waluigi on the basis of the build, the gait, the height — but I stopped myself because I didn't want to assert something as a fact and put an idea in your head.
What cannot be denied, what is factual, is that this is an exceptionally tall individual. Tyler Robinson is only 5'10". That is a disparity that's going to be noted. I'm freely speculating, while it's barely legal to do so, that whoever this individual is, he jumped off the Loy rooftop at 12:23 and then returned twenty minutes later and sort of lingers, looks for an opportunity — I think potentially to drop the screwdriver that Officer Bagley then locates less than two minutes after he departs the walkway.
Regardless, I think we can assert that the feds have a lot of explaining to do. And as I indicated, there is more evidence that we have not yet presented or shared, because we think it would be more prudent to wait until the trial. I want the state to further substantiate their narrative. I don't want them to have the opportunity to update or change times with the trial looming.
Speaking of which, a hearing is scheduled to take place on Friday, and it's been trending because it's been announced that they're not going to allow any video, audio, or broadcast whatsoever for the upcoming hearing. I'm assuming we can get the transcripts. It's just a trial-setting hearing to go over scheduling, but apparently not allowing anybody into the room is atypical for hearings in Utah. That's what's been causing the uproar online. Either way, we will be following it and tracking it. They are going to permit still photography from Deseret News. We will at least be able to find out when this trial is set for eventually, because you know I will be paying the most attention to every detail of it.
Vivek Ramaswami's Attack Ad Blunder
All right. I've never pretended to be a PR genius. I don't have a background in marketing, per se. I'm just observing some things about the Republican messaging going into midterms. It's been a lot. There's a lot going on. And as an outside observer, it appears that they're coming apart. I don't really know how else to say it. The Republican messaging is a bit weird. They're angry about things that they shouldn't be angry about. They're definitely angry at women, I would say.
Right off the bat, I think the big one is — are we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? Trump tweeting that he doesn't want you as a voter if you care about Jeffrey Epstein was weird messaging right off the bat. He wrote a long tweet and was basically like, "You're a loser. I don't want you. My past supporters have never bought into this. This is a Democratic hoax." And it's like — it's not a hoax. Jeffrey Epstein was not a hoax. So he tried that. That didn't work.
Then we got the Iran war, which we explicitly voted for him not to start new wars in the Middle East. And the messaging on that was kind of like, stop being poor — he doesn't care if you can't afford gas, he's doing you a favor by going to war with Iran because you wouldn't want them to have nukes. And they've been on the brink of having nukes for, I guess, the last thirty years, but never actually having the nukes. So that's been kind of weird.
Of course, we're kind of default anti-Semitic if we don't want to fight Israel's wars. That's been weird messaging. Then there's just the Republican conservative podcaster orbit, which really seized onto the Lindsey Clancy case and kind of said women are all killing their children. That's been a strong Republican message right now — women who are incapable of being on the internet because they watch TikTok and they want to kill their children. Allie Stucky explicitly said that your wife should not be on TikTok. That feels a little extreme. I don't personally know anybody that's killing their children on the weekends. It's not a thing that comes up in any of my relationships with women.
And the Cornell 7 case was another time where I felt like maybe Republicans didn't need to be so vocal defending two sides of a disgusting coin — especially with the Epstein thing. It's like, maybe just stay away since we're already kind of defending our president's sort of saying "look the other way" on child abuse. Maybe let's not jump into this case with so much fervor. We did that anyway, and now we have Vivek Ramaswami, whose blunder is just kind of adding to the pile.
He has been running against Amy Acton out in Ohio for governor. His team put together an ad — I don't know what happened, they hadn't actually released it yet, but they saw fit to have it somehow enter the internet orbit — and people attacked Amy Acton over what happened when she was twelve years old. What they did was they booked her mother to call her a liar. Amy Acton was sexually abused when she was twelve. This has now been looked into. People have found the court case. Her and her brother were removed from her mother's custody after abuse from their stepfather. And they decided to produce this advertisement with her mother calling her a liar. Her mother chose the stepfather over her own kids at the age of twelve. So this happened when she was twelve. Maybe just stay away from that topic altogether. No — instead they produced an ad from her mother, who sounds like a horror show just on its face. And then this was reinforced by Laura Loomer's.
You know, we traded Charlie Kirk as an adviser to Trump for Laura Loomer's, who is being taken seriously. Talk about a horror show. She is a real-life horror movie. Here is the attack ad, because it's really bad.
Donna Arthur: "My name is Donna Arthur and I'm Amy Acton's mother. I worked at Children and Family Service Association, building one of the first two sexual abuse programs in America. I love my daughter, but when I saw her lying about her opponent, it's not easy for a mother to say this, but Amy has a serious problem. She is a liar. She lies about her past. She says she grew up living in a tent. None of that is true. She's lied her entire life. My daughter needs help and she can't help you if she needs help herself. People can change, but first they have to tell the truth. And my daughter still isn't doing that. Don't vote for people who lie. Don't let her become your governor. If you think she'll make your life better, you're fooling yourself."
Candace Owens: She's been estranged from her mom since she was twelve. When mom makes a comeback in your life and it's for a political ad — a mom who, even if everything she's saying about her daughter were true, if she thinks her daughter's a liar because she said she grew up in a tent, to reemerge in someone's life doing a political ad — I already know the mom's kind of horrific. And then when you read through the court case documents and it turns out that they fled the state, the father didn't bring charges — you know, a good measure is: is Laura Loomer's on my side about this issue? If the answer is yes, I'm probably doing the wrong thing.
Here's what Laura Loomer's had to say after it was revealed that this was real. She wrote: "Seriously, screw every Republican who's attacking Vivek over this ad by Amy Acton's own mother calling Amy out for being a liar. Don't you all remember when Democrats ran an ad against Republicans featuring his siblings? Don't you remember when Democrats paraded Mary Trump around to attack President Trump? Yeah, it was all pretty gross. The GOP is full of losers who hate winning. Now they are running defense for Amy Acton, a drunk woman who locked Ohio down during COVID, instead of further investigating whether or not Amy Acton lied about her mother and stepfather. I am on the side of Amy's mother."
Yeah, I'm sure you are. Amy's mother is a woman, and the Democrats told us that we need to believe all women. If you live in Ohio, get out and vote.
This is again after they went through the case and realized that this happened — that the father fled the state with the mother and did not come to face charges, and he had been accused of it in the past with his prior family. They're just leaning in on this, and she's just like, whatever we have to do to win, even if we have to reach in and find something about a twelve-year-old who was abused by her parents, removed from the home, did the right things, reported it, and has been estranged from her mother since — we should use this to win.
I don't know. I just don't think that's the best messaging, given the Epstein slide. It's true to Laura Loomer's's form, I would say, but that form is not something that Republicans should be allying with. I'm waiting for the part where Republicans get completely slaughtered and then they somehow blame me and Tucker, because I think that's coming. They're going to say we didn't direct our audiences to vote for this. And you're right, we didn't. I would not lift a finger to help what this campaign has become — defending the evil, the horror show of the people around it who are saying don't even take it back, who cares, fight dirty.
Again, a little bit different than Mary Trump speaking about Trump, which I also thought was gross. Family members violating their family members publicly is gross and everyone should abstain from it. But you're literally talking about child sex abuse, and that should have been a bridge too far. I guess it's not.
Allie Beth Stuckey and Bubblegum Christianity
Anyway, on top of this messaging from the campaign — they're now trying to move on from it because they've realized it's been a disaster — Allie Stucky, you know I've covered her on this show. I am not a fan of this iteration of Allie Stucky. She seems to be growing more extreme in what I have kind of termed bubblegum Christianity. She's a part of a large group of people who have been doing this — they want you to do something, so they tell you the Bible commands you to do it, rather than just giving their opinion. And there's something about that that's very dark and it's wrong.
My position as a Catholic is that females should not be pastors. And I know she says she agrees with that, but that's what she's doing. This is a new medium — it's podcasting. And if every day you are interpreting the Bible for the masses, and in this instance literally flipping scripture on its head, inverting it completely because it's how she feels — that was one of the things that made me look at the Catholic faith. I had my husband debating Allie, and he kept saying, "The doctrine shows the church teaching," and then when she would go, "Well, I feel, I think" — I realized this is kind of just your opinion wrapped up in a Bible verse.
Anyway, she has been part of this march and she's grown a little bit more radical. Women shouldn't be on TikTok. Okay. Now she is giving her opinion on Halloween and she has come up with the conclusion that all Christians should not be watching horror films. I don't want to put words in her mouth, so I want you to actually listen to what she said.
Allie Beth Stuckey: "I just don't think it is at all an option for Christians to not only fully participate in Halloween in all of its darkness and scariness, but I also just don't think that Christians should be fans of horror in general. I don't think you should be reading books that make you scared. I don't think that you should be listening to true crime podcasts that make you scared. I don't think you should be watching movies that make you scared. I've seen Rosemary's Baby. I've seen the really scary movies out there, and now I'm like, 'Oh, I know why my mom didn't want me to watch Signs when I was in sixth grade. It scared me.' Being scared — how many times do we read throughout scripture, from Jesus and in the Old Testament, 'Do not fear, do not fear'? And yet we purposely consume content that is meant to make us scared. I don't think we often think about the horror content, the scary content, Law and Order SVU that you are imbibing — that is actually a direct contradiction of Jesus's command to not fear or be anxious about anything. So we shouldn't be facilitating fear."
Candace Owens: There's so much wrong here. And again, I do not like to do this on my podcast, but I was just so — to use a word — horrified by this in a lot of ways that I felt like I wanted to respond. I know it was trending and people were by and large calling this out for being so wrong.
The problem is the first part is just her opinion. And I keep saying this — there's no problem with her giving her opinion. If I said to you, "I don't think you should watch horror films," and you and I are talking — by the way, I'm not a fan of horror films. The reason I'm not a fan of horror films is because I'm very sensitive to getting nightmares. If I watch a horror film, I will then have a nightmare, and I don't like having nightmares. So I prefer to read books, non-fiction books. I prefer to consume the news to understand what's going on. But there's something about the visual picture of it that I'm sensitive to. I don't need to then wrap it up in a Bible verse.
She continues to demonstrate this inability to just give her opinion without then trying to make it righteous and saying, "Well, how many times did the Bible actually say that what I'm saying is right?" That is the problem with a lot of evangelical churches, a lot of evangelical pastors, a lot of Protestant pastors full stop — they are just actually giving you their opinion, and rather than having the strength to say, "Hey, that's my opinion and you're free to disagree," they make it righteous. And that's where it gets really, really wrong. And it disturbs me. What a sin to ordain yourself a minister because you don't have the courage to say, "This is my opinion and it's free for people to reject." She's saying Jesus commands you — but actually it's Allie commanding you not to watch Law and Order SVU.
She was not even talking about extreme horror. She said Law and Order SVU gives you anxiety when you watch it, and you shouldn't feel anxious when you watch it. Again, that is the exact inversion of the scripture she is mentioning. The Bible is not commanding you to go, "La la la, nothing evil's happening, I can't see anything evil, and that makes me in a better relationship with Jesus." That's not true. In each and every time she's referring to the "do not fear" scripture, the Bible is commanding you to be courageous.
And again, let me say this — it's inappropriate for me to be a pastor. Check in with your priest, as I always say. But it's very clear to me that the Bible is commanding us to be courageous in each and every circumstance. Do not fear. Why? Because the Holy Spirit — you should not be concerned with the material world. Bring your problems to me. Pray. Strengthen. When you start to feel that anxiety, when you start to feel that fear — by the way, when she goes on a rant where she says Christians shouldn't be feeling anxious, Christians shouldn't be feeling paranoid — no, actually, I am paranoid, but not paranoid about worldly things. That's the general tone, right? I'm not paranoid about worldly things because I have a relationship with Christ. And so when you start to feel that pressure of the world — like, should I sell my soul and lie about what is so obvious about the various holes in the Charlie Kirk story? Should I sell my soul for worldly comforts? Man, I could get a deal with the DoD. I could get paid millions of dollars. I could jump on Discord and make some money cutting clips. Should I do that, because then I'll be comfortable and I'll just be quiet? I hear the Bible say "do not fear" as meaning: no, you should not be doing that. You should be courageous. You should be faithful. You should have faith in the Lord and you can trust the Lord. He's not saying don't pretend none of it's happening, shut yourself off, you shouldn't even know.
Law and Order SVU is based on real stories, by the way. And it's also kind of dorky — it's not exactly scary. Taylor Swift named one of her cats after a Law and Order character. It's really not that scary, but it covers real evil. And you have to know real evil exists, because it brings you closer to God to know that. When you see real evil, when you start talking about the occult and start understanding that there are people who are practicing these sorts of things — blood sacrifices, the topics that we cover on this show — you go, "Wow, I need to have a relationship with goodness." It is a part of Christianity to acknowledge that demonism is real. You have to confront that. You have to be bold. You have to be willing to face that. You are actually being instructed to be courageous, not to cover your eyes and ears and pretend it's not happening.
I do want to show you there were some great takes on this. Matt Walsh said a lot, but he was very on the nose with this. He wrote: "I'd actually argue that horror is the most Christian genre of film. Obviously that's not true of the torture porn stuff, films in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre tradition, but supernatural horror is often subtly Christian and sometimes very explicitly Christian. It's the only category of film where the supernatural — demons, spirits, exorcisms, the church — are consistently taken seriously. The only genre where the priest might actually be the good guy. Horror has deep roots in Christian thought and tradition."
That is correct. I also should have had you pull Jack Posobiec — I think he also tweeted about this, and I think it was Jack Posobiec who was speaking about when you're talking about Christ's passion, what is more horrific, what is more gory than watching that film? I can only watch it once. His passion. Don't acknowledge it because it makes us uncomfortable? No. We should, because when you see true evil, it inspires you to be good. And the Bible asserts that we need to be courageous when confronting it.
I do want to also read this tweet. I don't know who this user is — the handle is something like "Just Correct Response." I felt like it was actually a correct response. The user wrote, attributed to CF Dalton: "The real problem is not that some Christians watch The Exorcist. It's that most Christian storytelling has become allergic to difficulty. Scripture itself is full of violence, dread, betrayal, and unresolved tension. The tradition that produced Dante, the medieval mystery plays, and the older Gothic imagination did not treat 'do not fear' as a content restriction. It treated it as a moral orientation inside stories that took evil and judgment seriously. Once that is abandoned, what remains is usually sentimental and unconvincing, precisely because it refuses the conditions under which faith actually has to operate."
That is such a powerful way of looking at it. Faith actually has to operate under these conditions. Horror is not mandatory, but a culture that can no longer tell a hard story is not healthier for the loss.
And the reason I'm dedicating so much time to this is because this bubblegum Christianity is, in my opinion, not real Christianity. It is the reason why we have seen all throughout the year pastors and self-ordained ministers jumping on stage and telling you, "Don't even consider the possibility that Charlie was betrayed. Here's a verse about widows." What is the Bible a story of? What is the Bible? A story of biblical-level betrayal. These things are real. They're not imaginary. And when someone's trying to tell you, "Well, just make your life sparkly, don't pay attention, don't watch shows that make you aware that real evil exists" — she also says don't listen to true crime podcasts. Why not? It's true crime. How can I feel that I am taking care of my children and keeping my children safe if I lock myself into the perspective that everything scary is wrong?
Again, she's speaking about this in the context of Halloween. And actually, I wish she would get into a little bit of the history of Halloween, the Catholic tradition that was perverted, and talk about whether or not the gore and the scariness around Halloween is something that Christians should be engaging in. Great discussion. It's something we should have. It's a historical discussion that would lead her back to the Catholic tradition. But again, she can never give her opinion without somehow making it righteous. And that's very dangerous. Give your opinion for free. Say why you do or don't do something. Ask people what they think. Ask for feedback. But stop making yourself a female pastor who thinks she can pluck verses out of scripture and put that on people and say, "Well, the Bible commands this." The Bible commands my opinion, which is subject to change at any moment. It's frankly wrong.
Viewer Comments and Closing Reflections
You know, there's a reason the Bible says fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Think about that. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Not fear of Donald Trump, not fear of the Republican Party, not fear of whether they're going to invite you to Mar-a-Lago. Hey, just pretend you're okay with the Epstein files. Go out and say some talking points. That's not the beginning of wisdom. That's worldly stuff. And people, to make themselves comfortable in the world, will submit themselves to really dark things. You should have fear of the Lord. That's the beginning of wisdom.
Spyro writes: "If this plot got any thicker, referring to Slenderman and Waluigi on the rooftop, it might actually stop a .306." That's a fantastic comment.
Box Cowfish writes: "Also remember last May when RFK was pushing to establish a registry for people with autism, regarding Brian Cole and what we discussed yesterday. This administration is so dark." I agree with you. And again, evidence of that is everywhere. A couple of years ago, it wasn't so easy to say genocide is always wrong. I've made it easier for people, but trust me, I had to come to my knees and have trust in the Lord that I would land on my feet when I was canceled — canceled everywhere — for saying something that was just true. If you're going to be pro-life, be pro-life. It's not pro-life with some minor exceptions depending on who's paying me.
Michael writes: "Best Candace quote: 'Charlie died free. You, President Trump, will die a slave.'" Yeah. And I mean that exactly. Because at the end of the day, Charlie said no because he knew that there was — I'm not even going to say a higher power. It's just a real power. It's not a higher power. It's a real power. And this political stuff, it's fickle. It is not real. It is imaginary power.
Continuing your comment: "But remember, we must always pray for mercy. If we ask God for justice, we might just receive it. God bless you, Candace, your family, and team. Free Father Ripperger. Christ is King." Indeed. I do hope he does more work. Father Ripperger is who Sean Ryan sat down with. You should watch that interview with Father Ripperger and Sean Ryan — absolutely amazing, to just open that discussion about Freemasonry, to talk about the occult, to talk about demons. So many people felt like they woke up after those discussions. And Sean was doing more work with him. Then I believe the archbishop of the diocese came and said that Father Ripperger should take a one-year fast from podcasts. And I feel like that is frustrating, because we need to hear those discussions. You should watch that and you should feel fearful when you watch that discussion and really see how the world works. It's not a game. When we're talking about Satanism and demons and possessions, this stuff is real. It's not Hollywood.
Ali writes: "People need to realize that you did not abandon your friendship with Charlie even when he was very pro-Israel. Good people can have bad opinions or even investments and be hypocritical. You don't abandon friends unless they betray you. You pray for them and you help them grow." People need to realize that I used to be pro-Israel. It's so funny when people dig up stuff on me and they're like, "Look at you." Yeah — growth, conversations, studying, reading books. So you can't, when you make the change and you see what happens, expect everyone to instantly follow you. You can lead them, you can have discussions. And I always knew Charlie was not going to be far behind me, because that's just how it worked. I don't know, I just knew that. Let's take a pause here. And it was very instant — as you can see, Charlie started to feel that pressure, and then he started to dive, and then he started finding these evangelical pastors to be problematic and started to pursue the Catholic faith. He was just right there. And neither one of us — to great frustration for the people that willed it — neither one of us ever betrayed one another. And that makes me so happy. Because we were both unaware that these forces were intentionally trying to drive us apart, but we just had our basic morals. We were guided by our morals and our principles, and we were like, "Hey, we can have a disagreement, but we're not going to throw each other under the bus, and we're still going to be friends."
Stacy Chapman writes: "Congratulations on your beautiful growing family. I am wishing you a safe and easy delivery. I also wanted to shout out Uncle Theo. His new special dropped today and it is hilarious." I have not seen it. I do have to watch it — Theo Von's special dropped on Netflix. I can't wait to watch it. I know how hard he worked on it and he's the best. And yes, we do call him Uncle Theo, because that's what my kids call him. Like, "When is Uncle Theo coming over?" He's like the cool uncle. He comes over with games and it's like, let's play this. He makes me look boring because the boys are like, "Yeah, let's fight." I've got to learn to fight toddlers. Then they'll think I'm cool. At least when they're sick, they think I'm cool because then they want to cuddle with mom. But when boys wake up, they just want swords and they want to bash each other over the head. And I'm not the best at that, I've got to tell you.
Cone Film writes: "Free Brian Cole indeed." We'll see what happens with that. We will continue to cover that case.
Zamit writes: "We do not consent to demons by looking away, here on the Candace Owens Show." Yeah, it does feel like a form of consent also to pretend it's not real, like it's not happening. Like I said, you should — in another part of her episode, she says we shouldn't feel paranoid. No, you should feel paranoid. Your paranoia — I am paranoid every single day about not getting into heaven. Eternity. That's eternity. We can't even comprehend eternity. That's my paranoia. To side with evil for worldly comforts and get a little bit of money doing this or that — I might not get into heaven, because I know this happened and I'm not using my platform to speak. And my platform — it's by the grace of God. I'm no idiot. This isn't my platform. I don't even like saying it's my platform, because I just had trust in the process, and I feel that then people slowly started waking up at different times and we're here today. And we don't know how long we're going to be here. We don't know how long I'm going to have a platform, but I intend to use it by telling and sharing the truth.
Basketball writes: "Christ is King. Sending prayers and blessings to the baby on the way. I feel like I'm carrying a basketball, so I like your username." Basketball continues: "Thanks for all you do, Candace. Truth will prevail. We love you." Thank you guys so much.
Me writes: "Can you tell us where you got the gold crucifix behind you?" I don't remember, and I feel like I should remember. I know it was gifted to me. I'm going to text — they're probably watching live. Can I phone a friend? Can I call George? George has the — I feel like I got that at my baptism. I'm in so much trouble. I'm deleting this from the episode. As soon as we get off, you're deleting this from the episode. Who is this person who asked me this question? I have pregnancy brain. It's really, really beautiful, but I don't know where I got it. So there's that.
Jane Doe writes: "Guess what's in Fayetteville. Fort Bragg. Guess what is there? The Eighth Psychological Operations Group." Yes. She's referring back to where Erika is speaking. The founder of the school has a military background and her husband is a colonel in the military. Why am I always just up in somebody's family immediately? I don't know why I'm like this. I don't want to be like this. I don't want to constantly be doing people's ancestry. But as soon as I was like, who is this gaslighty type email that's like, "We're so honored, it's amazing, you won the prize, you get to do my dishes, isn't that just an honor?" — I just had to have a peek. I only had a peek that her husband's a colonel in the military who lived and served in Eastern Europe. I only had a peek. That's it. It was a peek.