Candace Owens presents new photographic evidence in the Tyler Robinson case and updates on the Andrew Wilson debate
Solo episode of the Candace Owens podcast covering the Tyler Robinson case, the George Zinn arrest, the "Protect Erika Kirk" group chat, and the ongoing Andrew Wilson debate negotiations.
Summary
Candace Owens opens with exclusive, never-before-seen high-resolution stills from the parking garage footage shown in court, arguing that the person depicted wearing a maroon shirt is broader in build than Tyler Robinson, appears left-handed, is wearing high white socks possibly to conceal a tattoo, and is wearing a hat positioned unusually high — consistent with concealing a ponytail. She then walks through the full timeline of Tyler Robinson's alleged movements on September 10th, 2025, arguing the narrative is physically implausible given the distances driven and hours awake. She also flags new details from the George Zinn arrest video, asking viewers to help identify a device that appears to have fallen from his ankle. On the personal front, she reveals that the "No Soup for Nolles" Daily Wire super-fan account belongs to a 45-year-old woman named Britta Widner, who sent 4,040 tweets about Owens in 11 months and is a member of the 92-person "Protect Erika Kirk" group chat. The episode closes with an update on the stalled Andrew Wilson debate negotiations, including a dispute over whether Wilson can smoke cigarettes in Owens's studio.
Key Takeaways
FULL TRANSCRIPT
Opening — Debate Negotiations and the "No Soup for Nolles" Reveal
Candace Owens: Happy Monday. I'm already exhausted at the beginning of this week — not from pregnancy, but from weekend-long negotiations with Andrew Wilson's nameless team. You never know who you're emailing for this Friday's debate. Will it happen? I certainly hope so. I'm trying to make it happen, but there is some straight paranoia coming from his side about possibilities of my team muting them, lowering the volume, stealing the funds, and then cancelling the debate. It's all very, very crazy. The good news is that we have secured a moderator, a good one, and the moderator is already stepping in to get this debate over the finish line. I'll tell you guys a little bit about that, though I'm not going to name the moderator because they may want to announce themselves.
Also, so you know that crazy handle "No Soup for Nolles" — totally psychotic. It was essentially a Daily Wire super-fan account, which most people reasonably assumed was like a 13-year-old teenager, the kind that hangs *NSYNC and Backstreet Boys posters in her bedroom. Well, it actually turns out she's a 45-year-old drunk who probably needs someone who loves her to take her phone away. I'm going to tell you how that all got discovered this weekend.
But first, I have exclusive, never-before-seen photos — the 4K HD kind of Tyler Robinson kind — that make us conspiracy theorists look like we're just really the people who have the courage to tell the truth early. You know what they say: what's the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth? About two weeks.
The Maroon Shirt — Media Psychology and Pre-Selected Imagery
Candace Owens: Let's actually start this episode with some good old-fashioned humor. I'm going to take you guys back to the early 2000s — great time. One of my favorite comedic skits of all time: Dane Cook in his prime. The year was 2006, and he dropped his Vicious Cycle special on HBO. I can't believe it's been 20 years. My team watched it a few weeks ago. He begins a skit within that special retelling a story from his youth, so I'm just going to play that and let you take a listen.
Dane Cook: "I'm not kidding you guys. I wanted to do crimes. I woke up one day, 18 years old, and I said I had a craving, and I said, 'You know what I have to do? I have to do a B&E.' I said, I'm gonna do it. I'm doing a B&E."
Candace Owens: And then he goes on and says, if you're thinking this is a bacon and eggs — no, he's talking about a breaking and entering. I wish we had made that clip a little bit longer, but it just instantly brought me back to the fun of my youth. Egging houses, toilet papering trees, we did it all. And then Dane Cook delivers this truth of the skit about the one person that exists in every teenage friend group.
Dane Cook: "I call Robert up because when you do a B&E, you need an accomplice. And the key is you always need to bring somebody with you who does not want to go. They have to hassle you the whole time and make it difficult to enjoy the B&E."
Candace Owens: And then he goes on retelling the story of his friend Robert who's like, "No, don't do it. Don't do crimes." That's known as the responsible friend in the group. I'm afraid to tell you guys I was not that friend, but I had that kind of friend — the person that keeps you in line and then you peer pressure them occasionally out of the line. Anyway, he continues in his description of this friend Robert who doesn't really want to go, but he sort of forces Robert to go on this B&E.
Dane Cook: "You always have to park way too far and then you have to go through backyards, right? You have to hop over fences, and it's part of the fun. You always have to get caught on that one chain link fence where you're like, 'Dude, my — this is my favorite shirt.' Well, you shouldn't be wearing your favorite shirt on a B&E. Wear your second favorite shirt, you dunce. I turn back to Robert. I go, 'You ready? You ready to do?' And he goes, 'Wait, wait, wait, dude. I hear a car.' And I said, 'Yeah. The world is full of them. You're going to hear a lot of them for the rest of your life. If you hear a humpback whale, that's weird. Tell me that. Then I'll stop.'"
Candace Owens: And onward it goes — him and his friend Robert going to commit a breaking and entering. It's a brilliant skit. We're not going to play the entire thing, but if you have not heard it, please go pursue it in its entirety because it's brilliant and hilarious and will remind you of your youth. And no, it doesn't go where you think it's going to go — I won't spoil that.
The reason I'm bringing this up today is because of that particular portion regarding the chain link fence. It suddenly dawned on me this weekend — the sheer, ever-increasing stupidity of the Tyler Robinson narrative. We are to believe that this uber-intelligent kid — remember, Tyler Robinson had above a 4.0 GPA — wanted to get away with this crime. That's expressed to his furry lover via text. He allegedly wrote in the confession messages to Lance: "To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age." Well, there goes the suicide narrative.
So we're told he wanted to get away with it, to live out his old age with this secret. And yet, when he went to campus that day, he chose to wear his favorite shirt. You don't do that. You don't wear your favorite shirt to commit a crime.
I suddenly realized how quickly the media intentionally kept showing us Tyler in maroon shirts over the years. In fact, the very first picture presented by the media — the very first picture that went viral when his name was revealed to the public, the photo that was virtually used by every news station globally — was one taken from his mother's Facebook. The idea being immediately seeded into our minds, before we knew any details, was: Tyler Robinson wears maroon shirts. He loves maroon shirts. A lot. It was almost as if he only wore maroon shirts.
They even handpicked other photos to show how much he repeatedly appeared in maroon, even from when he was young. If you Google Tyler Robinson in the media from that day, you will see these photos pulled from his mother's Facebook. But I had gone through his mother's Facebook at the time, and there were plenty of other photos of Tyler Robinson to choose from — many of them much more recent — showing him wearing shirts of all different color varieties: blue shirts, white shirts, green shirts. The media did not choose those. They just wanted you to ingrain in your mind that Tyler Robinson loved maroon. Actually, based on the photos I saw, I would have assumed blue was his favorite color.
It reminds me of the same psychological operation of them immediately trying to remind us of how much Charlie loved Israel. They just instantly showed Charlie hugging the Israel flag, Charlie saying "Shabbat shalom," Charlie loved Israel. That's a psychological operation. And I want to be clear — the maroon one worked. They knew that we would naturally draw conclusions because if your brain is trying to work through things, it fills in gaps.
Now reflecting on that: if you believe, as I do, that Tyler Robinson is in fact a patsy, then of course the outfit that the person they were going to tell us was Tyler Robinson — caught on neighborhood cameras, caught on blurry stairwells walking down the parking garage — was pre-selected. They selected a maroon shirt. And they knew to message to everyone immediately: Tyler loves maroon. Tyler loves maroon. Oh, and look, here he is in a maroon shirt walking down the street and down a stairwell. So your brain goes: I'm going to fill in that gap. Obviously it must be Tyler Robinson. I'm getting the truth.
Exclusive Parking Garage Stills — Build, Handedness, Socks, and Hat
Candace Owens: The only problem is the person walking around in that maroon shirt — I'm pretty sure — is left-handed. We showed you that last week: in the blurry images of him coming down the stairs, he's actually putting his phone in his left hand. And today we have more exclusive stills from the 4K undeniable footage that was shown in the courtroom and eventually shown to influencers.
The first thing I'm going to show you from that parking garage is what this person looks like. Because if it was less compressed and blurry — which is what we were shown — you might realize he's kind of a bit broad. And I want to be clear: we did not edit these in any way. No editing. We're not making him anything. It's not compressed. This is Tyler Robinson HD.
The second thing I'm going to show you is that he again appears to be left-handed. My government source says that he takes his phone out of his left pocket and then puts an earpiece into his left ear. That government source feels confident that this person is left-handed. What a silly mistake, right? You plan everything and then just forget that everyone's got to be right-handed. That's a big oops. It might actually require you to intentionally degrade and blur footage when you go, "Ooh, that's not the right hand."
And I know last week we showed you that in every instance we find Lance Twiggs, he appears to be left-hand dominant — pumping gas, snowboarding, falling while snowboarding, playing the piano, putting on his watch. And now we can show you a picture of him eating — with his left hand. We would suggest heavily that Lance is left-hand dominant. Maybe he's ambidextrous. I don't know. But I've seen enough photos now to say: yeah, I think he's left-handed.
Another thing I would like to point out is that this individual in the more clarified images — and we are doing this on behalf of Turning Point USA, who has been demanding transparency; we just wanted to rise to the occasion — appears to be wearing high white socks of some description. It looks to us like sports leggings or soccer socks pulled up. And I'll tell you: that is not the sun. He has what looks like tanned arms and then what appears to be albino-white legs — as if it's September and this is the first time he's ever put on a pair of shorts.
When I use my mind and ask why someone would wear what looks like stockings on this day, it makes me think: does somebody have a tattoo? If I was supposed to be looking like Tyler Robinson but had a tattoo, I might wear high socks. That's what I would do. Just another thing to maybe explore. Or I'm sure, since Robinson is in custody, they must have photos from that day showing he had super tanned arms and albino-white legs.
And lastly, what I would like to show you in these exclusive photos is that it appears to me — certainly to Ashley, certainly to girls who have tried to hide their hair in hats — that this individual is wearing his hat slightly above his head, as if he's trying to accommodate a ponytail. It's a girl thing. That hat is actually above his glasses. We can say that definitively. What's under there? Why would you wear your hat like that when you're going to commit a crime? In the other staircase footage they show him looking down, so we assume the hat is low — but it's not.
I'll leave it at that. I'm doing this for transparency. It never really made sense to me that the story was Tyler Robinson changing just his shorts. That was the story.
The Full Tyler Robinson Timeline — An Argument for Implausibility
Candace Owens: I just want to make sure we reflect so you can really understand where we are in terms of the Tyler Robinson narrative. As it currently stands, they want us to believe that Tyler Robinson slept at home and then woke himself up before 4:00 a.m. on September 10th, 2025, because he had to leave his house in St. George before 4:00 a.m. to make it up to campus. They then catch him on a neighbor's doorbell camera at 8:07 a.m. — that's the TMZ-released footage.
So picture him waking up, putting on his favorite maroon shirt with some gray shorts, then making the four-hour drive from St. George to campus. He gets out of his car, pulls into the garage, gets back in his car, pulls into the garage again, finds the surveillance cameras in the garage, and then routes himself to approach a Turning Point employee — because he intends to kill their boss. I can't wait to hear her testify. He apparently said, "Hey, is this where the Charlie Kirk event is going to be?" And she probably said, "Yeah, it is." He then went — again, according to the police — to Chick-fil-A on campus. We haven't seen any footage from that yet and haven't been told much about it. My assumption is he had a meal before deciding it was time to do crime.
He then drives off campus, parks, changes his outfit, puts on a long-sleeve black shirt and blue jeans, and says to himself: "Before we do crime, we do Wordle." That's a fact. At 11:28, he sent his Wordle score to his friend. The word of the day was "pouty," in case you're wondering. Once he sent that score, he said, "Now it's time." He then shoves a broken-down German 98 Mauser into his pants and starts limping back onto campus with a new hat and a new backpack. And we all know what happens next.
He then jumps off the building after killing Charlie Kirk, lands onto solid ground like he had been practicing that maneuver. What we know for certain is that he then changes back into his maroon shirt but leaves the jeans on. He's then spotted at Dairy Queen — he really loves that shirt. And after that change, after committing that, he goes back. After the Dairy Queen he orders a meal because he ate — you can see that in the photo. And also, who amongst us has not worked up an appetite after playing Spider-Man on a rooftop? That's understandable.
He then departs Orem and drives three hours down to Panguitch to the cowboy steakhouse, where he seats himself at the bar and orders a steak combo with a soft drink. I want to emphasize that — no alcohol, presumably because he doesn't want to drive irresponsibly and risk getting a DUI. He probably doesn't want to hurt anybody. So after that steak, he drives back up to Orem — another three hours — because he wants to retrieve his rifle during what is the largest federal manhunt of my lifetime and probably every single person listening to this podcast's lifetime. But Tyler's feeling lucky because he's wearing his maroon shirt. It's his favorite shirt.
He returns to the scene of the crime. And if I'm understanding correctly — I wrongly assumed he had been pulled over, but actually we are re-listening to Agent Hull's testimony, and his testimony is best listened to on audio because they're showing you images and you're filling in blanks in your brain, but that's not what they're actually saying. If you listen to it, I think what they're saying is that Tyler stopped his car to ask the police officer a question. So he commits a murder, drives for three hours, and is feeling confident enough to actually make contact with a police officer. Listen to what Agent Hull says — don't watch, just listen to how he describes it.
Agent Hull: "Now, what do we see? That vehicle is now pulling away and heading east on 800 South."
Questioner: "And why do you believe that that vehicle was Mr. Robinson's vehicle?"
Agent Hull: "When that vehicle was stopped, it actually made contact with an officer who was doing security detail."
Questioner: "Okay. And do you know who that officer is?"
Agent Hull: "Officer Goforth."
Candace Owens: When that vehicle stopped, it actually made contact with an officer that was doing security detail. That sounds to me like Tyler stopped his vehicle and made contact with the security detail. That's got some bravado, I got to say. We have not seen any footage from that. I'm hoping the security guard or officer's body cam didn't mysteriously crash out and develop amnesia.
Anyway, back to Tyler — because I want to point out that he's been awake for a long time now. At some point he gives up and says, "I'm not going to retrieve my rifle," and decides to drive the four hours back to his apartment in St. George. The earliest he got back home was 5:00 a.m. — that's based on his text messages to Lance and when he was captured on other doorbell footage. So we can make a safe estimate that he left Orem around 1:35 a.m. and arrived back in St. George earliest at 5:00 a.m.
I'm just wondering if anybody tested Tyler Robinson for cocaine or meth, because according to this breakdown, he's been awake for 25 hours straight, during which he has driven an approximate 13 hours and 20 minutes. For clarity: in 13 hours and 20 minutes, you can drive from New Orleans, Louisiana to Chicago. You could drive from Atlanta, Georgia to New York City. Tyler Robinson was just driving about Utah after committing his first assassination.
And if you're thinking, "Okay, 25 hours is long, he probably then went to sleep" — you'd be wrong. Very wrong. If you're thinking, "Well, he must have at least showered and changed his shirt when he finally got home" — you'd be forgetting that this is his favorite one. What happens, according to the narrative, is he stays home for an hour before heading back out again, this time driving about an hour away to Cedar City, because that's where he's captured on gas station footage filling up his tank. We don't actually have an answer for why he went to get gas that far away. Apparently this young man just loves to drive. Why get gas locally when you can get gas an hour away?
He then drives back home. According to Lance's testimony, Lance sees him when he wakes up — they're face to face in their apartment. He still hasn't changed his shirt. We know that because he's wearing it when he gets arrested. And we're just supposed to accept it.
I don't know, guys. I think that one day many books will be written regarding the sheer stupidity of the Fed's love. Because we're going to win. We're winning already. They're coming apart. They can't make this fit. The feds don't even want to address or answer or respond to him being in Dairy Queen or at the statehouse. They're leaving out all sorts of things. These testimonies are weak. One day we're going to reflect and truth is going to win. I'm probably going to write a book entitled I Went All the Way to Orem to Commit an Assassination and All I Got Was a Maroon T-Shirt. Because that's what this feels like.
Ladies and gentlemen, I just want to say this before we move on: if you are going to commit a capital offense, please remember to wear your second favorite shirt.
George Zinn — Unidentified Device Spotted in Arrest Footage
Candace Owens: Okay, let's talk about something we discovered about George Zinn. I have to put out this APB to see if any of you guys recognize this. One of the many people who have helped me research on this — a young woman — reached out and said, "Hey, you need to check this out with George Zinn. Like, what's that falling out of his pants?"
I'm going to show you the video of George Zinn's arrest. We haven't covered him much. He's decoy boy number one — obviously said, "I did it, I did it," came down. We don't really know why he said that. And these are the best kinds of people to bring into a federal operation, because we wrongly just dismiss them as crazy and sort of move on. I'm guilty of this with George Zinn. I probably should have prodded a bit more and paid more attention to his arrest.
Sure enough, I want you to take a look at what's happening between his legs — it makes more sense when we show you this video. He does have boxers on, and it just seems like whatever it is is clearly attached to him, whether it's attached to his belt, and it looks like it's coming from his ankle because he is walking. She then discovered that in the high-res photos, it appears that George Zinn has some sort of a device that has fallen. Somebody may recognize this. It may really be nothing, and I'm not familiar with it. But that's what the close-up of it is. The only way I could describe it would be like a walkie-talkie meets an iPhone — it's a thicker device. This could very easily be like, oh, people who are hard of hearing have this device. I immediately thought it looks like a satellite phone because of the thickness of it, but I could be wrong. We're looking to just identify that device. If you guys want to pull that up one more time so people can see it — yes. You can send us an email to moretips@candaceowens.com. We just don't know what it is and we'd like to identify it, just to always investigate every single element of this case.
The "Protect Erika Kirk" Group Chat — Escalation and Exposure
Candace Owens: Last week we told you about this group chat of 92 individuals who have been obsessively — and thankfully, one of them who I had a very nice conversation with actually explained to me: yes, I participated in this, and I just wanted to say sorry. She said she was healing, had nothing to do, and then realized the group had become very toxic. What started as something that seemed nice — it was called something like "Protect Erika Kirk" — seemed like people were just kind of sharing things to debunk things I was saying. Fine. You're allowed to do that. You're allowed to watch a show and debunk. But then it became very toxic. They started speaking about wanting to know where I lived, hoping to figure out whether me and my husband had divorced — a lot of what we saw Laura Loomer posting for a while — wanting to know more about my kids and sharing information that is just unbelievably bonkers. I can't believe they legitimately thought that we were purchasing a house for our eight nannies.
And by the way, as you know, we put somebody in prison last year who was part of — it was like a Jewish group chat, only 26 members. The same thing happened: somebody in the group got radicalized. For some people they're sharing information, they think it's fun, they're healing. And then there are people in the group that are mentally unstable and it becomes their life. This guy then started plotting my assassination because he got a little too fired up, the FBI got involved, he got arrested, he pleaded guilty. His name is Him Braverman and he is in prison. You can look that up. The media did not want to cover it. But we did put a would-be terrorist in prison.
Now we discover that a Jewish woman put together this group and she has been very involved in pro-Israel causes long before Charlie was assassinated. There are 92 members and they are looking for personal information — which is why this woman excused herself from the group and said, "This is now getting dangerous." So we will be filing something. We have found out more information about other group members. But at the same time, one of the group members got exposed this weekend, and I got to tell you the backstory — it is pointedly hilarious.
I used to work at the Daily Wire. Obviously, didn't end well. They had a very bizarre super-fan community — it was just kind of weird that anybody would dedicate this much time to podcasters. It turned out that the then-CEO flew these people out to the Daily Wire to meet these super fans, and then obviously that made them even crazier. I always assumed these were young women because it gave me Taylor Swift fan club vibes — why I always critique her when she's dealing with these prepubescent teens that will literally kill for her. My assumption was that this account, "No Soup for Nolles," was a young person who got obsessed and then got more obsessed with the Daily Wire. They started attacking me — this Britta is her name — started attacking me with the Crisis King stuff because she was a Daily Wire super fan. Obviously I knew that their PR agent and Jeremy Boring were working through her, because Jeremy Boring likes to find these sorts of people who will jump in front of him and do whatever for him.
So anyway, this Britta — my assumption was she was young. What ended up happening was she gets revealed as this Britta Widner, who — mind you, she's been going after my family, my husband. She was part of people perpetuating the lies about my husband. Back in April, she was part of that group. She's in this group of 92 people. And she gets exposed as Britta Widner, who got a DUI last year. It is a tragic DUI photo. I'm just looking at this going, I can't believe this woman is almost 45 years old. 45 years old, childless — exactly what you would expect, the prototype of this. But I want you to understand: this woman is not well.
There's an account that counts up tweets — how many tweets someone sends. I think I showed you a couple of weeks ago that Laura Loomer sent like 1,800 tweets about me and we were like, that is crazy. This woman, "No Soup for Nolles," Britta Widner, makes Laura Loomer look stable. He counted up not her tweets over a year — her tweets over 11 months since Charlie Kirk's assassination about me. This woman, this 45-year-old, sent 4,040 tweets about me since Charlie Kirk. In addition to being in a group where she talks about me all day, trying to figure out where I live, talking about my husband.
Do you understand that this is the exact kind of person that genuinely probably needs someone who loves her to take her phone away? That's radicalism. 4,040 tweets. So I asked: how many tweets have I sent about Erika Kirk since Charlie's assassination? The answer from the same guy: I have sent 4 tweets about Erika Kirk. 4,040 versus 4 tweets about a person who took over Charlie Kirk's company. That is just to demonstrate to you what is going on in the background.
I do believe the person who left this group just said she thinks someone's going to get hurt. She said these people are unwell. It's all they think about all day. They're sharing your kitchen. They're trying to learn about your nannies. Why are you sharing my kitchen in a group chat?
What ended up happening was people who know other people in the group began emailing our tips line, and what we are discovering about the profiles of the people in this group — this is the beginning of the story. Britta Widner probably should check into rehab. But there's a lot more here. We just learned about a conservative corporation whose top people are involved in this group chat. So this will be a beginning, not an end. We're going to keep an eye on this "Protect Mrs. Erika Kirk" group chat.
Andrew Wilson Debate — Cigarettes, the Wife, and the Manosphere Contradiction
Candace Owens: Also, I want to give you guys an update on the Andrew Wilson stuff. I kind of gave you the update at the top of the show. We are trying to figure this out — that's all I can say. I have had no new demands since the in-public negotiation that he insisted on. He has had a lot of different "let's do this, let's do that" — whoever his team is, you can never know who you're emailing. Really, most of it I think is just based in paranoia. I don't understand why. Like, do you really think I'm the type of person that would embezzle funds from you and then be like, "Haha, I'm not going to give you the money and I'd rather just go to prison for embezzlement"? No. My team is not going to be cutting mics or doing anything crazy. I could have done this just one-on-one. The whole point of us having a moderator is to concede moderation to somebody. So effectively I will be in the studio, but I will not be in control.
The person who has stepped up to moderate — we've got to get it over the finish line and this person is trying to help. It was Andrew's second pick. Michael Knowles declined to do it respectfully, as I knew he would. This is Andrew Wilson's second pick, and I'm very grateful to the person for doing it. But it has been quite the experience trying to get this over the finish line.
Right away, basically we're left with me just being like, "You can't smoke cigarettes in my home." And his wife seems unwell — she came apart at the idea of him not being able to smoke cigarettes. While he was trying to negotiate a clause that says he automatically wins if there are any ad hominem attacks, his wife — who seems to jump into all of his debates — was trying to be like, "This is ridiculous, why can't he smoke cigarettes in your studio?" And she said, "No smoking." Then she wrote again — she was going crazy about these cigarettes. Who clutches their pearls about smoking? Zoomer soy boys maybe. Or the type of woman who reports everything to HR. I don't even know what this is. It's so trashy.
I actually — and I'm a person who has family members that have lived for short periods of time in trailer parks, that I've slept in when I was younger, kind of nice by the way — I've never seen this level of low class. I was like, "Okay, I guess I'm a Zoomer because your husband can't chain-smoke in front of me." She just kept going and going. Then she was showing photos of me pregnant while I was doing backstage at the Daily Wire. Just so we're clear, it's not a tiny little studio — it's an entire warehouse. That smoke is not baking anything. And it's also a cigar. Cigarettes to me — you can smoke them — but the idea of smoking inside of a house is just gross. It stains the walls. It smells. It's just not what I want to do. And by the way, Andrew was not protesting that. I think he understood that that couldn't happen. He's been part of debates where you can't smoke. But this woman came undone, calling me names, couldn't believe that I said her husband couldn't smoke in my home.
Then someone pointed out to me that this is a routine thing where she just jumps into his debates. But his brand is the manosphere and patriarchy and putting these OnlyFans girls in their place and telling them about how they shouldn't be living this life — and yet his wife is way out of pocket. And when that girl Charlie debated him and was about to raise a valid point about whether he embodies this lifestyle in his own personal life, he sort of crashed out. What happened after that was his wife called in and started debating her. Literally, he went out for a cigarette break and she called in. This person is not in the manosphere. He has a wife who is a full-blown modern feminist. It's incredible. You've got to watch this clip of his wife on the Whatever podcast taking over the debate for him.
Host: "Uh, Rachel seems to indicate she'd like to do a call-in, with your permission."
Andrew Wilson: "Oh, absolutely. I'm going to go have a smoke."
Host: "Uh, so Rachel, Andrew gave the green light there. It'll take us a few minutes to get going."
Charlie (debate participant): "Bring your wife to fight me."
Rachel Wilson: "You said that I'm promiscuous. So, what does promiscuous mean? I've slept with a lot of people, right?"
Charlie: "I would say that having children with multiple men is more significant than—"
Rachel Wilson: "Okay. Well, I think it would be if — and I know why people assume this, I do understand why people assume it, they're just wrong in their assumptions. It would be wrong if I had been sleeping with lots of people, if I had been carelessly getting pregnant with random people. That's not the case. I've spent my entire adult life only in three long-term committed relationships. One of which is an almost 20-year relationship with Andrew — we've been married since 2012. Prior to that, I was married for four years. As Andrew had to unfortunately explain, that ended not even because I left, but because he beat the crap out of me and was being pursued by the law and left the state. So it was like abandonment. The first one was my high school boyfriend who I knew my whole life — was for five years, we had two children. He had his own personal problems and that did not work out. So I understand why people make the assumption, but the truth is I'm not promiscuous. I have an extremely low body count. I've never had one-night stands. I've never cheated on anyone. I've never just carelessly or casually had sex ever. I've only ever been with men that I at least at the time felt certain I was going to be with forever and have a family with."
Andrew Wilson: "Maybe you should."
Rachel Wilson: "I didn't get it right on the first two, I will admit."
Andrew Wilson: "I did wonder one thing. If she had slept with three men but had aborted all of the children, would she still be promiscuous?"
Rachel Wilson: "She would have lived her life. It would have been better for her."
Andrew Wilson: "If she had only slept with three men but aborted her children — hang on, Rachel. Would it be the case? Was that too abusive? Shut up, Rachel. Was that too abusive, Charlie?"
Candace Owens: I don't know, man. Like, all I'm saying is I'm excited for Friday because we're not going to be phoning friends. But the wife is a thing. She jumps right in and speaks on behalf of her husband. He tells her to shut up — and when he said, "Is that abusive?" — yeah. My husband does not tell me to shut up, and I don't tell my husband to shut up. I would never allow that in a relationship at all. That just seems crazy to me — to say that to your wife, especially on live TV or in a live debate. To be fair, I did tell his wife I suggested she should shut up, so maybe it's an extenuating circumstance when she just kept tweeting about the cigarettes. Your husband can't smoke in front of me. He's not complaining about that. So why are you online authoring 37,000 tweets and finding photos of me trying to pretend I'm a hypocrite? No one has ever in my entire life smoked cigarettes in a home that I've lived in. It's my home. Strong no.
And it's just incredible to see the kind of people that Turning Point USA is affiliating with or bringing in to teach debate tactics — that's my broader point. I really didn't know who this guy was until he went on Joe Rogan, and then we started looking and trying to figure out stuff about him. The more I find, I am just amazed that this is Turning Point's horse. Like, we brought him in and paid him to teach our students to debate. So when I say to you guys it's a very good idea, if you're a parent, not to allow your children to get involved with Turning Point USA because of the characters that are around — Victor Marks, this is the person who's going to be training people to debate and being paid to do that. This is what I'm talking about. They're no longer the organization that had the image that Charlie wanted. Charlie was the exact opposite of this — always respectful in his debates no matter how fired up they got. It was one of his rules. He would never denigrate. He's not tagging people in to defend him. Certainly not the kind of person that would ever tell his wife to shut up. He lived his life honorably. He would not be having his wife scream about smoking cigarettes. The whole thing has gotten very bizarre at Turning Point USA, and yet they're doing this under the banner of like they've never been holier. I don't understand the hypocrisy.
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Candace Owens: Let's get into some of your comments. First off, top comment from last episode — it was from Manny Petty, who wrote: "In my opinion, Mikey McCoy is the one and only piece of evidence that I needed. His very best friend gets shot and within two seconds, before even figuring out what had happened, he's on the phone and turned around walking away. Doesn't even flinch or look shocked. A human brain doesn't even have time to process anything that quickly. Has anyone explained that insane reaction yet?"
Yeah, they did. And they are on record lying about what happened there. Initially, like I said, they told us that he instantly called Erika. Then we learned that he didn't call Erika — he actually called his wife. Then there were all these three-way calls, and the call with Erika was, in my opinion, way too short. And then he's on the phone with Danny Phillip for 10 minutes, but they should be together. But now we're thinking actually they went into two different cars to the hospital. It's all weird and it's all going to get exposed. It's good to have them on record with their stories about what they did. It's great that all of them kind of secretly wanted to be celebrities and just couldn't stop talking. They all wanted to be like Charlie and said way too much. They probably all should have said nothing — from Frank Turek to Brian Harpole to Erika. Everyone should have just laid low and they didn't, because I don't know — they were all too full of themselves or sure of themselves.
Ellie writes: "The difference between Candace's message of 'I want these people to live and to be faced with consequences of what they did' and Frank's message of 'she should be killed for what she said' is incredibly telling."
Yeah. There's something very dark about their constant usage of the Bible and biblical proverbs to somehow — and I think this is their perspective of themselves — justify whatever they do as holy and fine as long as they know their biblical proverbs backward and forward. And people are seeing through that. There are cracks right now. There are pastors complaining, saying that their church members are just getting caught in the cult of Candace. What are you talking about? You guys have never been more obvious. The grift has never been more obvious — to wear ripped jeans, wear clothes, call yourself a pastor, strum a guitar, and then tell people that they have to worship Israel. That's not my fault.
And there's much that I want to say about that article that NBC did — I'm going to save it for tomorrow. It's quite shocking that Blake Neff is sharing what they're saying, because they're effectively saying the conservatives would have been united after being fractured over Epstein, if only it wasn't for Candace. Charlie's death would have united them and they would have forgotten about Jeffrey Epstein, if only it wasn't for Candace. Like, do you guys hear yourselves? And the answer is no. It's just borderline sociopathic narcissism. They cannot see and hear how the public is perceiving everything that they are doing. They just keep saying more and sharing more, and they're convinced that these pieces are going to work or these deep dives are going to work or these low-budget celebrities are going to work if they bring them in. People just want the truth.
And I do think that spiritually, people are just more in tune right now. The reason I'm positive every day and happy every day is because the truth is inevitable. It always wins. And I know that I am on the side of truth. I've also just moved from that initial trauma of Charlie being gone — from feeling haunted by it — to feeling like he's fighting alongside. I don't know if that makes sense to you guys, but that's just how I feel. Call it my pile of dreams or something. I feel like Charlie's really with us and we're going to see this thing to the end. Like he tweeted back in 2018: "I won't be here, but you see this thing to the end." That's what we're doing. We're seeing it to the end.
Brooke wrote: "My main and my truth. Glad to be back early. Upset that I missed the lives last week, but catching up had me dying over the weirdo that was smoking at every social event to prove he's a badass. So embarrassing. TPUSA is really pushing it. Crisis King. I totally agree that it's weird."
That's why I want to address this. People that are like, "This is beneath you" — actually, no. This person has stated on record over and over again that people and their conspiracy theorists are scared to have a debate, and has suggested that we're not in this for the right reasons. He has also peddled the talking point that the evidence against Tyler Robinson is overwhelming. And I'm just confident taking that debate. And even though Turning Point is declining to acknowledge that that's their horse, Blake Neff instantly said, "If you want to, I would love to throw money towards you debating Candace." So we're going to take that as him being co-signed by Turning Point USA. That's all we needed. We need you guys to acknowledge and say you'd throw money toward it. You guys are already paying him to debate. We don't really need it formalized on paper. We know that they always are — they're cowards. They're never going to acknowledge that they are empowering all of these influencers and, in my view, psychopaths. People like Britta who are just unwell. That's what they're left with — they have to find people who are unwell, don't have any purpose in their life, and will just commit to 4,040 tweets in the span of 11 months.
Patricia P writes: "You're my hero each day. I race home to watch. You're without a doubt one of the smartest people on the planet." Definitely not. I do work hard, though. Thank you for all of your hard work. Love you to bits. Keep going. I will always outwork my opponents — and that's what I can offer.
Impula writes: "In the photo of Tyler Robinson in what appears to be his dorm room, wearing a hat, maroon shirt, and jeans, there appears to be an outline in his right pocket, further supporting the idea that he carries his phone in his right pocket."
Oh, he is right-handed. There is no question. It's actually in the documents that he is right-handed. If you go look in the court records, he's taking notes with his right hand. The person I believe was coming down these steps and doing all this made a mistake, because you can't rewire your brain for a morning. And with all of the evidence of Lance and his fingerprints everywhere where they say Tyler's are, it doesn't make sense to me that he would suddenly get federal immunity even for a short period of time. So I'm looking forward to this court case going through and us being able to see Lance on the stand and hearing the full story of what happened.
Lady Dy writes: "Please do not allow his wife to be part of his team to come to your home."
I'm not even putting up any boundaries. I just want to get this over the finish line. I think his wife is toxic and quite obnoxious, but I am not going to be putting up any boundaries at all. Would I want her here? No. But if she's crying over cigarettes not being here, imagine what she would do if I said you can't be here. What am I going to do?
Strata writes: "They're all terrified. Every single TPUSA clown who keeps showing up, from the fake pastors to wannabe influencers, all look 10 years older. Only Candace gets more and more beautiful. Truth is beautiful."
That's very sweet. I do believe lies make you sick. There's actually a clip of Charlie saying that too — that they sort of rot inside of you. And maybe I even got that from him. You can start to physically see it manifest on people's faces: the upset, the anger. Remember that random week where it seemed like somebody took over Andrew Kolvet's phone and was tweeting on his behalf? He just seemed to be crashing out and kind of lost all appearances. And yeah, I think it's because they've told a lot of lies and they have attacked all the wrong people — the people that they should be teaming up with. I wonder why they're not teaming up with us. I wonder if we'll find out. I think we will.
And this last person made a joke. I see your comments but I'm not going to read it — True Detective. I know who you are. He writes: "I am the great Cole Phelps. It is from Beavis and Butt-Head." And then the second part is just a little not PG-13, which we try to keep this show. But I know where you're going with it. It's just an expression from Beavis and Butt-Head. And thank you very much for that donation.