Candace Owens investigates Erika Kirk's ties to Next Model Management, Jeffrey Epstein's orbit, and Romanian orphanage operations
Candace Owens delivers a solo investigative episode examining Erika Kirk's background, including her time at a modeling agency connected to Jeffrey Epstein, her real estate activities in New York City, and her nonprofit's involvement with a Romanian orphanage.
Summary
Candace Owens presents a series of eyewitness accounts and documentary findings connecting Erika Kirk to Next Model Management — a agency co-founded by Faith Kates, described as a close associate of Jeffrey Epstein. Owens reports that multiple former associates of Next Model Management recall Erika Kirk taking meetings at the office related to housing Eastern European models, despite Kirk having no publicly stated role at any modeling agency and her real estate license not being independently verifiable on New York State records. Owens also examines Kirk's Romanian Angels nonprofit project, noting that a former resident of the Antonio Placement Center in Constanța, Romania — the orphanage Kirk's organization partnered with — wrote to the show describing the center as notorious for corruption and child trafficking. Owens additionally covers Turning Point USA's attempt to create a Charlie Kirk memorial license plate in Arizona, which would have directed $17 of every $25 fee to a fund effectively benefiting TPUSA, and which was vetoed by Governor Katie Hobbs. Throughout the episode, Owens connects Tyler Bowyer's documented ties to Romania, Arizona State University's unique Romanian studies program, and Arizona's status as the first US state to open a trade office in Romania.
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Erika Kirk's connection to Next Model Management and Jeffrey Epstein's orbit
Candace Owens: I can tell you that this young lady is my whole mood today. I'm telling you right now: if Erika Kirk is ever on a ticket, I am not voting for Erika Kirk. I will vote for anybody else. I will vote for somebody foreign before I vote for Erika Kirk. I'll vote for somebody's pet fish before I vote for Erika Kirk. I am done. I have seen enough. I can no longer bear people defending Erika Kirk in any way, any shape, or any form. It has to end. It has to stop right now, because we received some follow-up information regarding Erika's time in New York — her confusing time in New York — specifically more details pertaining to what the hell Erika was doing parked at a modeling agency that was frequented by Jeffrey Epstein.
This information feels pretty explosive. I would say it requires a response. We can't keep pretending that this is just some godly woman who's simply being attacked by the internet. Erika's past is checkered — very checkered. Her mother, her acquaintances, everything about this girl should be sending off alarm bells, especially for the people that keep defending her. Look at the people that keep defending her. They themselves are the biggest red flag.
Welcome back to Candace. Our new rule here is: if you see something, say something. We open up investigations to the world because it tends to be that you get a lot of information when you do that. It really is incredible. As soon as we opened the door to the plausibility that Erika and Jeffrey Epstein may have come across each other — certainly plausible, they seem to be just swimming around each other — more people began talking and remembering things.
I'm going to preface this by saying that we did not go out to Erika for comment regarding today's episode, because it makes very little sense if someone ignores your first email question to think that they're going to be willing to answer a related follow-up question.
Next Model Management, Faith Kates, and the Rothschild connection
Candace Owens: Let's get back into this. Next Model Management was co-founded by Faith Kates — we told you this yesterday. A dear friend to Jeffrey Epstein, all over the emails, 4,000-plus times. Her offices had a ton of Eastern European models going through them. She's actually known for having made the careers of various Eastern European models. And as I told you, Jeffrey Epstein was around this office a lot — he frequented the office, as you would if it was your friend's place. All of this is a fact.
Another interesting fact is that Faith Kates actually knew Epstein since before she co-founded Next, because she was the vice president of the women's division at Wilhelmina Models first. Wilhelmina Models was co-founded by Fran Rothschild — her full name is Francis Rothschild. Why is that interesting? Because you will recall in Jeffrey Epstein's recently released emails, he said to Peter Thiel that he works directly for the Rothschild family — that he's spreading around their money. I will show you that email so we can confirm it. It is Jeffrey to Peter. He says:
"As you probably know, I represent the Rothschilds. I was hoping to figure out a way for the bank that has 160 billion in management to do something in tech. Best client list in the world. Prehistoric products. It can wait."
Asserting that as a fact. Now, what is also a fact is that the Rothschilds credit themselves with creating the modern state of Israel. Zionism was therefore their platform. Zionists were also the people that were squeezing Charlie Kirk at the end of his life — morally blackmailing Charlie Kirk, stressing out Charlie Kirk, pulling money away from Charlie Kirk and the organization. Charlie himself said that he was done with the pro-Israel cause, but then he was murdered and his wife did a complete 180 — like LBJ — inviting frankly deranged Zionists into the fold immediately.
Ben Shapiro, who was in fact an enemy to her husband, effectively opened AmFest. He came out first, and then Ben Shapiro came out second. He was also allowed onto Charlie Kirk's show and appeared in person in his studio. Very odd. She never came out and said anything about Josh Hammer lying when he said that Charlie never blinked on Israel. She never said anything at all about what Charlie was going through. Never said, "That donor took money away from him and I'm so angry about that." Not once. Actually, you could argue she did the opposite — she was setting up interviews with the likes of Bari Weiss, pushing Charlie's final book. Shabbat shalom. Okay, we got it.
Eyewitness accounts: Erika Kirk at Next Model Management as a real estate contact
Candace Owens: What is also a fact is that some of the people who were associated with Next Models remember Erika Kirk at the office taking meetings. This is weird, because Erika Kirk — despite her very illustrious, multi-hyphenated career — has actually never made the claim to have worked for a modeling agency. So what was she doing there? That was a question we went out to her with. What were you actually doing here, parked up at this office? What is your connection to Next Model Management? Do you know Faith Kates? Did you see Epstein walking around the office? Fair questions.
What we can now confirm, through eyewitness accounts specifically, is that they recall Erika because she was taking meetings at the office, and those meetings pertained to real estate — real estate for the models coming from Eastern Europe who were being packed like sardines into apartment buildings. On background, in case you're not familiar with the modeling industry — as I am not — sources confirm that what is typical in the modeling world is for agencies to find places for girls to stay while they're in New York. They tell me, and I'm going to quote this: "Younger girls, when they first get to New York City, they pack them in like cattle into one apartment."
Which makes Erika's role curious, because multiple people remember and say that Erika Kirk was the contact. Specifically, what they recall is that she was the contact for a white building on the Upper East Side around 68th Street between Second and Third Avenue. It's pretty specific. She was the contact. Got these girls coming in. Erika's the point person. And we've all been trying to figure out what she was doing in real estate — but that is the memory of the people who were working with and around Next Model Management. They said they don't really know why.
I don't know how, because the issue I'm having is that Erika did not actually have her real estate license yet. Real estate licenses are a matter of public record. So how could it be that Erika was working with one of the top modeling agencies in New York City regarding what you would describe as real estate deals? Was she maybe the property manager? I have another clue, and this is a fact: Erika told people specifically during that time that she was doing real estate deals with her family. Key word: family. But which family?
We can reasonably assume she's not referring to her family back in Scottsdale. Lori doesn't do real estate — she's a tech genius. A sustainability tech genius. Sustainability. It's much more likely that when she said this, she was referring to the Rothstein family. You will remember Erika at this time was living with Nicole Rothstein. It is a fact that Nicole Rothstein did work in real estate — not at the Corcoran Group, but she has a long career in real estate. She went to school for it and currently runs her own real estate company. Her father, Alan Rothstein — Erika is extremely close with him. She calls him uncle. He was, and may still be, the chairman of Win Haven Real Estate.
Here is what she wrote about him on Instagram in 2017. The post reads: "There's something powerful about God's strategic planning when it comes to the people that he has surrounded you with. How blessed am I to have individuals like you, Uncle Allan, in my life, filled with spirit, constantly seeing life in bloom. I have watched you face adversity and triumph, and in doing so, pass a gift of courage and a message of understanding to those around you — that if you live boldly and fearlessly, the impossible is possible. I love you."
I bring this up because it is very plausible that these were the people who introduced Erika to the world of real estate. I will also add that I haven't gone down the Rothstein rabbit hole, but I do know that a Rothstein in New York — if at all related to the one involved with fixing the White Sox game — has Rothschild family ties. His mother was a Rothschild. Again, I don't know if that is true, but it sure would be interesting to find out.
I want to be very clear: I am not asserting that Allan or Nicole did anything wrong. I'm just trying to put the pieces together to establish how Erika — who was at this time trying to get booked onto reality TV shows for fashion, dating, whatever she could — pivoted so seamlessly into the genre of real estate. How was she able to climb the ranks so speedily, so high?
Examining Erika Kirk's real estate bio
Candace Owens: We should read her real estate bio, because it really is something. It reads:
"Erika Kirk is a multi-dimensional entrepreneur with a bold and steadfast faith that has sustained her borderless heart. She has lived all over the world from Los Angeles to China, working in the entertainment industry as an agency-represented model, actress, and casting director. Several years ago, after her heart was captured by the contagious inspiration of America's most transnational city, she bought a one-way ticket to New York City and made it home. Erika is known throughout her community and deep network base as an influential and positive voice. Her experience working on the developer side of the New York City real estate industry is a tremendous asset to her role as an agent, with a work ethic that is unmatched and a zealous disposition to make a difference. Her main focus is the fiduciary relationship with her clients, placing their real estate needs as her top priority. Erika is also the founder and CEO of Everyday Heroes Like You, a 501(c)(3) charitable organization that assists other nonprofits globally. The organization celebrates their 12th year and their long-standing partnership with the United States Marine Corps by expanding into China and Costa Rica while continuing community outreach programs in the United States and Constanța, Romania. Erika's perseverant spirit has been the driving force behind her eclectic background. From being a former NCAA women's basketball athlete to Miss Arizona USA 2012, she knows what it takes to set a goal and fearlessly pursue it. Erika graduated Magna Cum Laude" — we have not been able to confirm that, it appears to be made up — "with a double major in political science and international relations" — that also appears to be made up, because international relations was not offered that year — "from Arizona State University and is currently pursuing a Juris Master degree at Liberty University."
It's a lot. It's a mouthful. I just would like to know what any of it means. And maybe I'm thinking out loud here, but how exactly do impoverished girls from Eastern Europe — young, impoverished girls — afford apartments in one of the most expensive cities in the world? How are they making money as young models from Eastern Europe? Why is Erika allegedly the point person on that? The people who dealt with her directly say so. I'd like to hear Erika's feedback. What is she doing? Who are these clients — these real estate clients — that she's helping with their finances?
Also, as an aside, why am I unable to confirm Erika's New York real estate license? I am indeed able to find a relic of it on a third-party site, but I'm not able to independently verify it on New York State's Division of Licenses website. The New York State, from what I'm seeing at first glance, is supposed to hold this information for at least six years, but I can't find a shred of proof regarding which real estate deals Erika completed.
Here is her real estate license — the relic of it that I found. License number 10401322765. It was issued to Erika. They are active for two years, so we can discern it was issued on October 24th, 2018, and was valid at least until 2020. Real estate people in New York, let me know what you can find. If you can confirm Erika's real estate license and what she sold — because that bio sounds like she is managing some serious clients, helping to manage their money — I'm very interested in that.
I'd like to hear from anyone who may know something. Look, if you want to be the queen bee, if you want to be a public figure, if you want people floating your name for president of the United States, then let's get to some background. Who are you? What were you doing? The answer should be very clear and very concise, because I struggle — I have to be honest — I struggle to believe that Erika was in fact, while in New York, doing real estate deals with fiduciary responsibilities, while helping Turning Point USA, filming a reality TV show, also in school full-time to get her Juris Master followed by her law degree at Liberty, while also studying the mandatory 77 hours to achieve her real estate license, while also running an international charity in partnership with the US Marines halfway around the world and in China, while also running a faith-based clothing company. All of that at the same time. That's a struggle for me. I just keep not being born yesterday, and it is so hard not being born yesterday.
Tyler Bowyer, Romania, and Arizona State University's Romanian program
Candace Owens: Also, if we're asking questions — how is it that Erika is always so tied to Eastern Europe? Why is she floating around, this girl from Ohio, linked to Romania and the United States Marines? Today she presents it as though she was just sending gifts. Oh, I was just, you know, helping to send Christmas gifts to kids in need in an orphanage — organizing gifts being sent. But of course, common sense dictates that would not require the support of the United States Marines. You can do that right now today: phone someone in Romania, get an address, and ship gifts. Her involvement was much more — and how do I know? Because before the scandal broke and accusations of child trafficking onto the military base emerged, Erika used to claim she was a lot more involved. I'll let her speak in her own words, during her audition tape for The Amazing Race with her then-boyfriend. Here's what she says about Romanian Angels:
Erika Kirk: "We just have a borderless heart to help people and to give back. I have been to Romania and teamed up with the Marine Corps to open up and sustain an orphanage with 75 beautiful children. And that's called Romanian Angels, through my nonprofit, Everyday Heroes Like You."
Candace Owens: She opened it — in partnership with the Marines. She opened it and she sustained it. So I would now like to know more about that. The TikTokers who instantly went down that rabbit hole and asked for more information were not so crazy. I feel even more compelled because according to one former child — now an adult — who was adopted out of the Antonio Placement Center, which is notably a corrupt orphanage in Constanța, Romania where their base was.
Just to make it clear: Everyday Heroes is her 501(c)(3), and the Romanian Angels was the project operating within it. The children — the so-called Romanian Angels — were living at the Antonio Placement Center. I'm going to read you this email from someone who was placed from the Antonio Placement Center:
"Dear Candace, I am writing to share personal historical context regarding the Antonio Placement Center in Constanța, Romania, which may be relevant to your reporting on Erika Kirk and the Romanian Angels Project. While independent fact-checkers have found no evidence linking Miss Kirk's work to illicit activities, I believe the history of the Antonio Placement Center warrants further investigation. I was personally placed in this center under dubious circumstances involving misdiagnosis and institutional pressure before being adopted internationally. This center in particular is notorious for corruption and illicit activities such as trafficking children, which is why I was shocked that out of all the placement centers in Romania, this was the center that she chose to partner with. It is noteworthy that Ms. Kirk's promotional materials from approximately 2012 to 2014 specifically referenced the Antonio Placement Center as a partner for her international efforts. This intersection is significant because the institution has been part of a broader system criticized for lack of transparency and the documented practice of placing children in care based on catastrophic language rather than medical or social necessity. In my own case, I was labeled with severe impairments that were not supported by my developmental records. Given how much history there is about Romanian institutional practices, adoption controversies, and the experience of people who grew up in these centers, it seems important to look beyond the social media claims and consider the history and operations of the Antonio Placement Center itself. Best regards, Lissa."
I hear that call and I would like to hear from more people who were adopted from the Antonio Placement Center in Constanța. Also, if you live in Romania and have access to documents, I would like to separate fact from fiction. Did Erika's organization start the Antonio Placement Center? Does that mean they took it over? Was the US Marines operating it, or were they just pretending to give gifts? I want to know as much as there is to know, because I have the ick.
Tyler Bowyer's Romania ties and Arizona's Romanian pipeline
Candace Owens: Speaking of the ick — we should talk about Tyler Bowyer, Erika's friend, her dear friend who introduced her to her husband, but for the life of her she cannot remember how they met. It's a tricky one. I had a person send me a recent conversation they had on social media with Tyler, because he gets a little snippy on social media, gaslights people, pretends he's a good guy. And this is his excuse for why he was in Romania in 2010. Tyler says — and I'm skipping to the bottom here — "I studied Romanian in college to complement my Russian studies and did a few weeks studying abroad. Not everything is a conspiracy."
I feel it is a conspiracy. I don't think it is just ironic that he happened to go right when the military base got set up and when Dennis Frantzve was there. I just don't buy that. I got curious and asked: does Arizona State University have a Romanian program? They said they do, and the history of it actually shocked me. Romanian programs are rare, and there's no major available anywhere — but Arizona State University is actually the only university in America where you can even achieve a minor in Romanian studies. How random.
The history of how this program developed is pretty precise. In 2010 — the very year that Tyler Bowyer went over to Romania — Arizona State University became the site of an honorary consulate general of Romania in Arizona. Effectively a Romanian embassy on the ASU campus. An honorary Romanian embassy was established in 2010. Then in 2011, the program inaugurated the first Romanian lectureship — the first in an American academic environment — funded by a Romanian language institute. They also launched the ASU Central European Cultural Collaborative, which facilitates partnerships with Romanian universities.
There's a revolving door here. 2010 was one hell of a year for Romania and Arizona. And this relationship has continued. Beginning in July of last year — a few months before Charlie was assassinated — Arizona became further embedded with Romania. They are the first and the only state to open a trade office in Romania. The headline: Arizona to be the first US state to open a trade office in Romania. That sure is something. The Romania-to-Arizona pipeline feels like something.
I would like to say in closing on this topic that we should pay attention to this. We're starting to see how this world works, and this is weird. Do not let Tyler Bowyer gaslight you in conversations. It's odd. This should be screaming at you as it is screaming at me that something's not right. Turning Point headquarters — a location picked by Tyler Bowyer. Charlie Kirk didn't even open the organization in Arizona; it was started in Chicago. They choose a spot for their campus that is a trafficking hotbed, factually. Erika's strange attachment to Tyler Bowyer but lack of memory regarding Tyler Bowyer. Super Feed Incorporated, where Erika's mother is serving as a board member alongside Tyler Bowyer — and by the way, read the fine print on Turning Point USA's app: Super Feed owns the copyright, which means that's where your data is going.
Turning Point allegedly getting into real estate, with Tyler Bowyer at the forefront of that according to tips we've received. Charlie establishing a DOGE account seven days before he died. Bibi's phone call in the Hamptons. Donald Trump's pageantry world. The Epstein files. What Epstein files? Trump trying to make fetch happen with Erika Kirk. Photos. We're supposed to view her as some sort of leader — as if she was promised it for some reason, as if she was guaranteed the keys to Charlie's empire. Why? All of this stinks to high heaven. You know it. I know it. Any rational person in the world knows it. And we're not going to let up.
TPUSA's Charlie Kirk memorial license plate scheme
Candace Owens: I'm really wondering: do you have to sell your soul to be in politics, or does it just make it easier? Turning Point USA, it turns out, was grieving Charlie Kirk differently — differently. There was apparently no pathway in which these goblins were not trying to strike gold off of his name, including, ladies and gentlemen, at the DMV.
Back in January, an Arizona senator named Jake Hoffman — I should let you know Jake Hoffman is a dear friend and partner of Tyler Bowyer and formerly worked at Turning Point USA — introduced a bill for a state license plate to honor Charlie Kirk. The proposed specialty plate, to be referred to as the Charlie Kirk memorial plate, was essentially going to feature a photo of Charlie and the Turning Point USA logo in front of an American flag background. A little shameless promotion. And the words below the plate were definitely for Charlie. I'm sure somewhere there's an interview where they'll explain that Charlie himself once said it would be so great if his face was on a plate.
This went through. The Senate passed the bill 16-2, and then the House of Representatives also voted in favor 31-23. Now, in case you're thinking maybe that's sweet, maybe this really was for Charlie — think again. Remember we're speaking about Turning Point USA. There's got to be money somewhere. How it actually would have worked is you would pay a $25 fee for that specialty plate, $17 of which would have been an annual donation deposited into a conservative grassroots network special plate fund according to the legislation. While the recipient of that fund was not explicitly stated as being Turning Point USA in the bill, it did note that the director of the fund would allocate the revenue annually to a nonprofit organization founded in 2012 that focuses on restoring traditional values and maintaining a grassroots activist network on high school and college campuses in Arizona and assisting college students with voter registration and absentee ballots.
No shame. It's amazing to think through the new CEO being up there like, "These YouTubers are making thousands of dollars investigating who killed my husband. Look at them. I can't believe it. Shame." What happened thereafter is that Katie Hobbs, who is the governor, vetoed the bill quite rationally, I might add. She wrote a letter. Her letter reads:
"Today I vetoed SB 1439. Charlie Kirk's assassination is tragic and a horrifying act of violence in America. We resolve our political differences at the ballot box. No matter who it targets, political violence puts us all in harm's way and damages our sacred democratic institutions. I will continue working toward solutions and bringing people together, but this bill falls short of that standard by inserting politics into a function of government that should remain nonpartisan. Sincerely, Katie Hobbs."
Yeah. Maybe if I were governor I would add a couple of lines about how y'all are shameless — but I'm probably never going to be a governor, to be fair. Of course, Turning Point USA went into spin mode. Jake Hoffman was outraged. Here's what he said on Fox News regarding her decision:
Jake Hoffman: What's your response to the governor when she says that honoring Charlie Kirk falls short of that standard of bringing people together?
Well, listen. The only thing that falls short, unfortunately, is Katie Hobbs's track record of actually trying to unite the people of Arizona. Charlie Kirk was an incredible man. He was a friend of mine for 11 years. And when he passed, the memorial we held was the only time in Arizona history that we filled two professional sports stadiums to honor and pay tribute to the life of an Arizona citizen. He built a national organization with a global impact reaching all the way from South Korea to London when he passed away. There's no doubt that he was a uniter. He was someone who championed free speech and he was a civil rights leader of our time.
Jake, here's what I don't get — there are other license plates, including some tied to conservative causes, that have been approved: Choose Life from the Arizona Life Coalition, one from Alliance Defending Freedom promoting conservative Christian legal advocacy — yet the governor vetoed this one. Is there anything different about the Charlie Kirk plate versus what you're seeing on screen?
No. The reality is that Katie Hobbs has repeatedly been petty and partisan in everything she's done — whether her nominees to run state agencies or her veto track record. In fact, just last year she vetoed about nine of my bills and used the acronym of my committee as her stated reason for the veto. She's legally required to give a reason, and she used the committee acronym. She is nakedly partisan, and this is why we have to make sure there is a new governor elected come this November.
Candace Owens: I don't care if Katie Hobbs wins the gubernatorial race. I don't care if a Republican wins. I am just so disgusted with politics in general that we're even pretending this is a left or right issue. Just say we want money. Just say we want to grift off of Charlie's death every which way and manner that we can. Just say we want the $17 out of the $25. Let's stop pretending it's about politics. Let's stop pretending it's Democrat versus Republican. Let's acknowledge that on both sides, everybody's filth. And the people they want to steal from are the people who come to the DMV who have souls and will look up and go, "Wow, I was really impacted by Charlie's assassination. I would like to have that plate so that it can be in memory of him." And at the end of the day, who does that money go to? It's going to his wife's organization now. The messaging coming out of Turning Point USA is: you can always honor Charlie with your hard-earned money. You can't honor him by remembering the words that he said. We have to take down all of his episodes. We have to hide interviews of things he said. We have to direct the ghost of Charlie. We have to pretend he didn't have all that going on with the Zionists at the end. We got to welcome his enemies into the fold. Just give us money. We want your money at all times of the day. That is just absolutely disgusting.
Tyler Bowyer jumped in as well — because that's his boy. Here's what he said on X: "Every nonprofit in Arizona that has major roots has a license plate. Katie Hobbs vetoed this over politics after Charlie was brutally murdered. Disgusting." Yeah, I'm sure you just wanted that as a memorial. I'm sure that was it — because that is obviously who Tyler Bowyer is. And these were supposed to be Charlie's best friends in the world. That, my friend, is the problem.
Viewer comments
Candace Owens: Top comments from the last episode. Steph writes: "Let's all give a warm welcome to Erika Kirk, Blake, Andrew, Mikey, and everyone else at Turning Point USA who tunes in along with us every day to watch." I wish they'd just come on the show. I've made the offer. I mean it. I want to sit down with them. I particularly would love to have a public conversation with Erika Kirk, who has nothing to hide — except apparently a lot of stuff.
Olivia Joy writes: "One thing Candace has shown for sure is that everything eventually connects." I just think Romania, New York, real estate, the politics of it all, reality TV — there are some themes here that are hard to ignore.
Easy Hammer writes: "Since today's episode, I heard Erika's written words spoken out loud. It gives me the same level of cringe as watching her say them on TV." It's so many words to say nothing. That drives me insane. Just say less.
James the Least writes: "Being on the board of the US Air Force Academy sounds like the kind of job that would require a background check." Certainly. Her background is: I'm Charlie's wife. Hear me roar. Charlie was qualified, so why am I not qualified? I guess just say you're good at math. I don't know.
Amy Loves Music writes: "I know everything that you are saying is true. It's been going on for years. It's hard to trust anything. I love that you are doing what you can to find out the truth for your friend Charlie. I am not sure anything will ever be done. I am saddened by how corrupt the world is." Real estate in general — is that just where you hide money? Because traditionally, historically, that's a pretty well-understood vehicle. A lot of real estate is involved in this story, is all I'm saying. And I find her floating around Jeffrey Epstein's orbit to be very interesting.
Miss Ko writes: "I just don't get it. Had I been CK's wife, I would have had Candace and Tucker headlining his memorial and making the donors who made him so fearful regret the day they started threatening him." You would be a normal person. You would have that anger and that rage. You would be like, "I don't even want to look at you because of the last thing you said to Charlie." That's how I would have felt about Erika. Instead, she was overcome with the spirit of Lori or something and was like, I feel the opposite — I want to make amends with his enemies and send my PR person to attack his friends.
SB Beth writes: "For anyone questioning how fiercely Candace and Charlie fought for each other, watch their Turning Point event in Hawaii. I saw it again recently and nearly cried. Even now, though he's gone, they still stand together at this battle." I have not seen that. I can't even remember the specific context, but I remember going to Hawaii with Charlie. It was a great time. We were wearing leis. But yeah, it is a thing. We did always have each other's backs, and I think that's partially what drives them crazy — they tried to spin a narrative they know there's not a shred of proof for. There just isn't. No proof for the idea that he was anything but my brother and that we fought a lot of battles together. Even when we disagreed on topics — and there were some topics we did disagree on, before we eventually met back up in the middle — and let me tell you, we were certainly meeting back up in the middle on the topic of Zionism. He was sick of being bullied. He made that clear.
Jay Nichols writes: "Melania used to be by DJT's side all the time. Ever since CK's murder, she's been almost non-existent. What are your thoughts?" Interestingly, Melania's name actually came up with this Next Modeling thing, because Melania came from Serbia and she was a model in those circles and in that orbit. She was not, I believe, managed by Next Model, but it's a small New York City world. People there actually quite liked Melania and said that those who thought she aspirationally wanted to be First Lady probably had it very wrong — that she was quite aloof, and that while they knew she would end up with somebody powerful, she did not probably aspire to be First Lady. So that's just a bit of feedback; take from it what you will. I did spend some time with Melania and I think she's very smart. I wonder. The whole Trump family, to me, has in effect betrayed the legacy of Charlie Kirk — not demanding a further investigation, just allowing all of this to happen, continuing not to ask questions.