Candace Owens investigates Erika Kirk's background, the Tesseract school, and Dr. Jerri Frantzve
An episode of the Candace podcast examining the background of Erika Kirk, wife of the late Charlie Kirk, with a focus on occult elite networks, the Tesseract school in Paradise Valley, Arizona, and the psychological figures connected to Erika's upbringing.
Summary
Candace Owens continues her "Bride of Charlie" series, this time focusing on two major threads: the broader claim that elite families practice occult rituals as a mechanism of social control, and the specific background of Dr. Jerri Frantzve — Kent Frantzve's first wife — whose career in psychology, ties to the DuPont family, alleged academic fraud, and connection to notorious psychologist Dr. John Money, Owens argues, are directly relevant to the Tesseract school that Erika Kirk attended as a child. Owens also raises the claim, sourced from two separate individuals with Turning Point USA connections, that approximately $10 million went missing from Turning Point Action, the division headed by Tyler Bowyer — the man who introduced Erika to Charlie Kirk. Owens contends that Erika's inability or unwillingness to explain how she met Tyler Bowyer, combined with Lori Frantzve's placement on a data-collection company's board, points to a deeper cover-up within Turning Point USA.
Key Takeaways
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Opening: Occult practices among the elite as foundational context
Candace Owens: I know a lot of American grandparents woke up a little bit confused this morning, wondering why their grandchildren are suddenly referring to them as farfar and morfar. I'm proud of us. We classed up America. We're taking that from Sweden. This series is maybe dedicated to all the farfars and morfars out there.
I was actually speaking to one of Erika's exes and he told me a pretty interesting story. Aside from offering the standard "I do not recognize who this human is at all anymore — she's very different, when we dated everyone says that across the board when you ask them about the relationships with Erika" — he did tell me another interesting little tidbit. One morning, he would often speak to Erika about how close he was with his grandfather, who had already passed. He's dating Erika, she's getting to know him and the things that matter to him. And he says that one morning Erika wakes up and tells him that his grandfather — who had passed and who he adored — came to her in a dream with a message. He just thought that was quite odd. I thought that was an interesting story. It tells us a little bit about Erika because that is a psychology of sorts. It kind of reminds me of when Meghan Markle would spray Princess Diana's perfume on herself to attract Harry. We're learning a lot more about Erika and her psychological profile, and we are going to discuss more of that in depth today. So welcome back to Bride of Charlie. We have nothing to hide.
Aleister Crowley, elite occult practices, and Operation Paperclip
Candace Owens: On background — I don't know how far down various rabbit holes you have gone, but if you are a regular viewer of the show, then you are very familiar with the name Aleister Crowley. If you are not, please in your spare time hit Wikipedia, read maybe Hollywood Babylon, Chaos. The short and thick of it is: the elites practice occult sex magic. You just have to accept that that is a circumstance at the top. They've been doing that for a long time. They get together and they have these satanic sex parties where they try to summon various demons. That sounds crazy, I know, but it's real. It's right there in your face if you just look into history a tiny bit.
Aleister Crowley, who was once termed the world's wickedest man, would host these parties all across the world. He even created his own religion around it — Thelema, black magic. There are so many stories regarding Aleister Crowley attempting to summon various demons. In France, he tried to summon Pan, and many times people would end up in the hospital. But probably the one story that ranks supreme is something that happened in 1923 in Sicily with one of his acolytes. Aleister Crowley was grooming a young Oxford student to become his magical heir. He saw this 23-year-old student and said, "You've got it. Come down to Sicily and let's try to do some spells together." They go down to Sicily and the kid ends up dead. I'm going to bring on my producer Ashley to explain what happened when they were working on an invisibility charm.
Ashley: Aleister Crowley was convinced that he was able to make himself invisible and he was trying to bestow that power upon his little magical heir, Raoul Loveday. This was during one of his infamous ceremonies at his abbey in Sicily. During the experiment, they both got really sick. Aleister survived — he was fine. But the nurse that was helping them said that Raoul became slowly fainter and fainter until he just completely disappeared. Aleister buried him in what was described as an empty coffin — there was absolutely nothing in it. Later, Raoul's wife, who was present for all of this, blamed Aleister Crowley. But just a few years later in 1929, they came out and said, "Oh no, actually he just died from inflammation of the intestines. Nothing to see here."
Barbara Bush, elite bloodlines, and social engineering
Candace Owens: I'll tell you why Aleister Crowley is so significant to the things that are happening today. What ended up happening was Mussolini kicked him out of the country for being a Satanist. Fortunately for Aleister Crowley, this didn't actually matter because he was friends with the elites all over the world — including, and this is just a historical fact, a woman by the name of Pauline Robinson, who would eventually, after spending time with her friend Aleister Crowley, eight and a half months later, give birth to Barbara Bush. Obviously you know who Barbara Bush is — the mother of George Bush. This is the source of the rumors that Barbara Bush is actually the child of Aleister Crowley.
Now, why am I starting this episode speaking about occult rituals and the idea that the elites are practicing occult magic? It's because it's important that as we begin to connect dots throughout this series, you fully digest that Operation Paperclip was not about rescuing brilliant Jewish scientists who were being persecuted from Germany. It was about rescuing wealthy occult perverts like Sigmund Freud and his circle, referring to them as scientists, saying that they had scientific breakthroughs so they could go on doing perverted things and go on being the elites. The same families have been in power for a very long time. Everything else is just an illusion.
I don't know how some people don't recognize that. Just looking around at who they keep trying to tell us is a genius — how is it always the rich people? Do you really think that every offensively wealthy kid who makes his butler do his homework grows up and becomes a tech genius? That's just the story we keep being told. Jack Parsons — unbelievably wealthy kid who created the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, the precursor to NASA's Apollo program. Oh, he was such a genius. He was trying to literally summon demons. He was Aleister Crowley's protégé. He was doing the exact same thing — throwing elite sex parties, saying, "We're going to create a moonchild. Everyone, sex, drugs."
Elon Musk seems like a nice guy, but do I believe he's running 17 trillion-dollar companies at the same time while also having 49 baby mamas? No, I don't. Bill Gates — that one bothers me the most. Oh my god, shocker, he's in the Epstein files. Look at him, people. Look at his face. Of course he's in the Epstein files. You really think this guy is just such a genius? He went from computers to pharmaceuticals to poisoning African kids. He's just so genius. Yeah, I'm troubled the most by people who ever bought that that man was smart.
Poor and middle-class people know we just can never go on to become geniuses — it doesn't work like that. I want everyone to just wake up from this occult spell of thinking that these people are smarter than you. They are not natural geniuses — which do exist, like Charlie Kirk. You either have to play ball with the elites, meaning hand over whatever it is that you have built to fulfill their ends, let them be in control of the message — or if you say no, you wind up dead. That's how the world works.
The military is responsible for keeping particular families in power. It's pretty much eugenics at the top and social engineering at the bottom. We have proven over and over again as a society that we are subject to psychology. Our minds are malleable. They've trained us via marketing to poison ourselves so that we can't have more offspring — aggressive marketing campaigns, propaganda, repeat promises of scientific breakthroughs. "The scientific breakthrough — oh my god, we had no idea it caused cancer. What do you mean she can't get pregnant? We're so shocked." This is what the military does best: psychological operations.
Why Charlie Kirk's death was made public — and Erika Kirk's role
Candace Owens: You've seen it in this entire lead-up to Erika Kirk. It is part of the reason — I don't know if you thought about this like I have — why did the military choose to have us all watch Charlie's execution? Think about that. They could have just poisoned his drink or done their standard, mess with the brakes, get into a car accident. But no, they wanted us to watch it. They wanted to make sure that we all watched it and had an emotional reaction and that they could harness our emotions to get behind Erika, right? That was where it was supposed to go. She's the widow. That is why they just keep saying the thing: "She's the grieving widow. She's a grieving widow." Never mind everything that she's doing right now. Never mind the lack of concern that she seems to have for this investigation.
When I sat down with her, she was speaking about Charlie and never does emotion come up — she's like, "Yeah, I just like to work." But when I see the first trace of emotion, it's about her mother, who is alive. Charlie's dead. Everyone recognized something was off about that. The way that they are defending her is crazy. I've never seen anything like it. I could do 27,000 series about Hillary Clinton and they wouldn't care at all. But Erika — my goodness — you cannot touch or speak about it because they cast a spell. Anyway, let's quickly recap the military connections that we've already established in the Erika Kirk story.
Military background: the Frantzve family and Good Samaritan Hospital
Candace Owens: We learned that Erika was born at the Good Samaritan Hospital on either the 20th or the 22nd of November of 1988 — it depends on who's telling the story, whether it's Erika, Lori, or Erika's dad. A hospital graciously gifted by the Marine Corps after they were kind of caught experimenting on human brains — because who among us hasn't been caught experimenting on human brains unethically?
You should also know that Carl Kenneth Frantzve was himself a military man. He served in the Army Corps of Engineers. Having looked through so many people's stories, I do believe that the Army Corps of Engineers is not always engineering planes. I think sometimes they're just engineering society. Social engineering is what they're into. I'm not speaking about Carl Kenneth specifically, but that's very obviously one element of our military.
Now, Erika's father and her mother, Lori and Kent Frantzve, as we learned, were married in Marblehead, Massachusetts. We still cannot find a single shred of proof regarding that union having taken place. But we do acknowledge that Marblehead is the birthplace of Marine Corps aviation. Whether that marriage took place in the '80s, whether it took place in the '90s, or whether it took place at all, we will see if we can discover throughout this series.
Dr. Jerri Frantzve — Kent's first wife
Candace Owens: Today I would like to discuss Kent Frantzve's first wife. This woman is very important. The woman that he married before Lori is, in my opinion, one of the more compelling characters in this story because she's very powerful, very connected, and she has quite a peculiar background. And ultimately her life — despite the fact that she married Kent first — is going to plug right into Erika's life. This woman's name — she died two years ago — was Dr. Jerri Frantzve. She kept her name. She also died in Arizona. Everybody's in Arizona. You would have no idea that these people were exes — they seem to get along quite well and keep doing business together.
Dr. Jerri was born Jerri Pitts in 1943. She was born into a very strict Mormon household. Fun fact: Erika's father was first married to a Mormon before he got together with Lori. Jerri's Mormon family is from Arizona — a very powerful Mormon family — but she herself was raised in Indianapolis, Indiana. Jerri also happens to be a victim of child rape. Now, she's going to tell the story in a different way. She's going to make it sound almost like a love story when she retells it. It's weird to me. I don't think a person should be trying to normalize child rape. Or if they do, they probably shouldn't hold any future positions of power over children. Wouldn't you agree?
Jerri Frantzve's early life — a 1981 article
Candace Owens: I'll let Jerri tell it. Let's read a bit of this article from 1981 where she recounts her own history. It tells us that at 14, she ran away from a strict Mormon upbringing in Indianapolis to get married. She says:
Jerri Frantzve (quoted): "I was a straight-A student and was about to get the worst mark of my life, a C in algebra. I couldn't face my parents. I loved my boyfriend. We saw an opportunity and we took it. I lied about my age. I altered my birth certificate. I then smeared it with Clairsol to make it look older."
Candace Owens: Six months later, she asked to come home and was welcomed. She was a mother before her peers graduated high school, and divorced before she was old enough to vote.
Just to recap: she gets married at 14, not mentioning the fact that she's already pregnant. She runs away to the other side of Indianapolis, uses Clairsol to forge a document so she can get married at 14, has this shotgun wedding. She gets married to a guy named Carl Pangerl — spelled P-A-N-G-E-R-L — who is five or six years her senior. And he goes on to become a bishop in the Mormon church, because marrying a child is apparently not a disqualifier. Her parents welcome them back into the home.
They divorce, and then Jerri somehow becomes a bookkeeper. She gets into accounting. It doesn't matter that she got knocked up at 14, that she's married and divorced before she turns 18 — she's still somehow able to just get a good job and begin a career. She learns clerical machines. I would love to know who exactly it was that she was bookkeeping for, because I think it was probably someone pretty important — because Jerri then suddenly marries some top brass in the military.
Jerri's military marriage and rise through psychology
Candace Owens: Her second husband is a man named Kenneth Himsil — a captain in the Indiana National Guard who goes on to become a major general. They get hitched in 1965. Now Jerri's got connections. She gets a bachelor's degree in psychology that same year. Psychology is what she is about to become an expert in — particularly the psychology of children.
It's now 1970. She's 27 and she becomes a social worker in Indiana. And instantly in my mind — I get it, I'm a conspiracy theorist, but I'm pretty obsessed with MK Ultra — I don't love anybody who was a psychologist in the '70s, especially one connected to the military. Especially someone connected to the military in Indiana who happens to be a victim of child rape herself. I'm not loving it. There are a lot of red flags here.
It's immediately suspicious because MK Ultra was in full swing. Indiana was a major hub for MK Ultra action. The universities in Indiana were factually involved in experimentation. Indiana was actually the place that the government manufactured the LSD to drug people with for their experiments. You can thank Indiana for the hippie movement.
Jerri at Quaker Oats — and the radioactive oatmeal experiments
Candace Owens: Suddenly Jerri's big time. In 1971 she heads out to Chicago and begins working for Quaker Oats for three years. I was thinking, well at least Quaker Oats — we know why they hired a psychologist: she says she was helping them with marketing. What kind of marketing?
The official story — I don't know, help us sell these oats. And I was literally thinking in my head, well at least Quaker Oats was never involved in any weird MK Ultra-type experimentation or anything. Except for that one time when Quaker Oats was actually going into mental institutions and force-feeding radioactive oats to little boys. Yes, Quaker Oats was conducting experiments on unsuspecting young boys. The Atomic Energy Commission teamed up with Quaker Oats to experiment on children. How long did that go on? Did Jerri Frantzve herself play a part in any experimentation on children with Quaker Oats? Was this even related to MK Ultra? We're never going to know any of those answers — because in 1975, the military ordered the destruction of all files related to MK Ultra. What we have today, which is already terrifying, is just a skeleton of how far-reaching that CIA program was.
I've always believed that MK Ultra was tasked with creating Manchurian candidates. I believe a lot of people in politics today went through weird psychology programs. That's my personal opinion. This is my podcast. I am entitled to it.
Jerri meets Kent Frantzve — and climbs to the DuPont family
Candace Owens: Jerri meets and marries Kent Frantzve while she's working for Quaker Oats — she's a few years older than him. She continues to climb the ranks as a psychologist, gets a master's degree and a doctorate. Now she's going by Dr. Frantzve. She and Kent move down to Paradise Valley, Arizona before deciding to divorce.
Okay, supposed to believe that. Well, they're divorced. Maybe we should know that once she becomes a doctor, she has arrived. She is now going to work for the biggest and most powerful families in the world. This is where it gets really fun — because she begins working for the DuPont family, becoming the director of employee relations for DuPont. She gets into organizational psychology. She is tasked, effectively, with finding the psychopaths that should head up the corporations that are run by elite bloodlines.
In case you forgot, the DuPonts have been mass-poisoning people. That's what they've done for a very long time. If the lawsuits are telling us anything — innumerable lawsuits related to them poisoning the population, giving people cancer — Jerri's apparently a good fit.
In 1983, DuPont completes the largest merger in corporate history with Conoco Oil, and they're able to do this thanks to Reagan and George Bush being in office, deregulating things and making it easier for private corporations to do bigger deals. DuPont then moves those headquarters to Wilmington, Delaware.
I love looking into her and seeing that she's the DuPont woman, because I like to pause and reflect on past episodes — why everybody's freaking out about things — and I like to consider how terrified they must have been when I was looking into the Charlie Egyptian planes story and I'm like, "What's going on in Wilmington, Delaware?" and I instantly hit the DuPont family. And then Erika's out there nervously at AmFest cracking not-funny jokes about Egyptian planes. Her jokes are going to become less and less funny as we get deeper into this series.
Dr. Jerri at Radford University — the gender clinic and academic fraud
Candace Owens: Back to Dr. Jerri. She is then somehow awarded an entire research center at Radford University in 1983 — a gender clinic of all things. She's a feminist and she's awarded a gender clinic, and they begin giving lessons to the military. My question is: on what gender? Why do we need a research facility? Well, here's the reason. Companies are interested in having people who will come up with research to justify the things that they are doing to us worldwide. You have to have the psychopathic experts who will produce the reports so that people in power can just unilaterally force things across the population. That's the purpose.
And Dr. Jerri Frantzve becomes that sort of expert with ties to the most powerful families in America and France. She also happens to be, I am confident, a total and complete fraud. Capital Fraud.
How do I know? Look no further than this report that came out of Radford University that Jerri Frantzve produced pertaining to Native Americans and the Appalachian region. So it says, listing who put together this report from the Center for Gender Studies: Marjorie Wayland, George Bourne, Richard Caster, Susan Friedman, Jerri Frantzve. Well, what she doesn't communicate in this report is that that's her family. Marjorie Wayland is her mom. Richard Caster is her nephew — her sister's son. I didn't even look into the other two. Once I realized those two people were her family producing a report together, I just went, "Oh, she's a whole fraud." It's effectively Mormon mafia, right? We've done a report. We can go into Native American communities. These women want to be free. We can head right onto the reservation. Something like that.
I want you to sear that into your mind — Mormons conducting research, students conducting research. That's going to become very relevant as we examine Erika Kirk's ties to Eastern Europe, and as Jerri Frantzve gets involved in Eastern Europe. What is going on with all these Mormon missions? Tyler Bowyer — I'm kind of speaking to you, my friend. I know about your time in Romania. I've got the receipts now. We'll dig into that.
The Tesseract school — an elite psychological experiment
Candace Owens: The reason I wanted to give you the background of Dr. Jerri Frantzve is because after this, heading into the '90s, the next thing she does is she gets involved with charter schools. She gets into the charter school business, particularly helping them develop psychological methods with students. You know where this is going. Dr. Jerri Frantzve is going to be the person who helps develop the Tesseract Way — Tesseract schools — the school that Erika attended that is exceedingly problematic. And I'm going to tell you more about that.
It is not an exaggeration to suggest that the Tesseract school, when you look at the people involved, can very much be viewed as a child psychological experiment. Let me introduce those individuals. To recap: Tesseract school in general. We've already informed you Erika will be there from 1993 to 1999. We showed you her first-grade photo, and then her second-grade photo. Erika, by the way — because we got some comments about this — she has spoken about how her mother chopped her hair off because she didn't know how to do it. I'm actually inclined to think it was because her dad was taking care of her at that time — these are going to be the years that she has a stay-at-home dad.
This school is without question being designed by the elites. It is backed by the Bushes and the Waltons, among other elite families. They are getting into government money in a way — pioneering charter schools. "You give us the tax dollars and we'll show you a better way to use them. Government schools are failing." We're always in that right-versus-left false dialectic, but the same families are benefiting from it. They're going to use this government money. And of course to do all that, you need your elite psychologist on board to help develop the children — how you're going to test them, how this is going to be a different model. That is why it makes perfect sense that Dr. Jerri Frantzve — who conveniently has her entire Mormon family from Arizona, and had a home together with Kent in Paradise Valley, which is exactly where this particular school was — would help them draft those psychological models at the school that Erika attends.
Now Erika might not know this woman. She may not have met her. I would definitely be shocked if she didn't know about Dr. Frantzve. Is she just doing the models? Did she sit down with the kids? I don't know. But this is how they handle these students — described as "the Tesseract Way."
Other key figures connected to the Tesseract school
Candace Owens: I want you to know who else is involved with the school. I told you already that John Tooley is the CEO of Tesseract — he does that announcement about it with Jeb Bush, who is supporting charter schools. He was working with Roundup/Monsanto on their launch. So I guess him and Jerri — Jerri's with DuPont — that's a natural alliance: poisoning the population and getting away with it.
But there are some other key players. I really want you to know about this guy named Phil Bliss who joins the board of Tesseract. Phil Bliss, the board member, was involved with Stanford University in the '70s. Yes — MK Ultra. He was known widely during that time as a drug counselor. He also worked with Stanford's hospital for addiction research. He then co-founds a school in Palo Alto called Mid-Peninsula High School, installs himself as principal, and that school has a shooting in 1996. It turns out the student who committed the shooting had been working with Philip Bliss through his depression. Fantastic candidate. I've got a lot of questions about these psychologists. As I said in the first episode: when you look at all these things that are happening — school shootings — behind everything is a psychologist and a prescription counter.
He was also on the board of a French-American school on that same campus, so he has French connections too. But that's just kind of implied now in my life.
The person running the school as executive director is a woman named Jill Kessler. She says she moved to Arizona for her husband's job, and he is a pediatric developmental behavioral pediatrician — he specializes in children and behavior. Above her is Susan B. Silverstein, who is the vice president of development. I have a very strong indication of who Susan B. Silverstein is, but unless I'm certain I'm not going to show her face and tell you the background.
I told you already that John Walton — the son of Walmart founder Sam Walton — is a major investor and also sits on the board. My viewpoint is that it is fair to suggest the school in and of itself was a psychological experiment. The school completely falls apart. There are accusations of financial impropriety as well as the method they used to track student success — people said this is a complete scam, there's no control in the studies. And that would track with anything Dr. Jerri Frantzve had her hands in, because she's a whole fraud. You can't just have your mommy do an experiment.
Abuse allegations and Dr. John Money
Candace Owens: I also want to say this, without any names: the family that I received these yearbooks from had children at the school. The child is an adult today and has always maintained that he was sexually abused by very specific people at the top of this school. Obviously I'm not going to name those people, but I have evidence of this, and I was compelled to listen and believe that individual — because child abuse and psychology go hand in hand. Even if I didn't have his account, I would not have doubted it.
Dr. Jerri Frantzve herself was friends and colleagues with Dr. John Money — the notorious psychologist who was one of the fathers of transgenderism and who it turned out notoriously abused children. As soon as Jerri Frantzve opened the gender research center at Radford University, she brought over Dr. John Money. This is who Dr. John Money is:
Narrator (clip): John Money is one of the greatest villains in history and the father of gender ideology. He became that by abusing two twin boys, one of whom had his genitalia basically destroyed in a botched circumcision. Money believed that sexuality was fluid. He convinced the parents that he could raise that boy as a girl and it would be fine. That didn't work out. That boy was every bit a boy. When he was told what had been done to him, it destroyed him and he eventually committed suicide. Money was hailed as a hero because he told the world that his experiment had succeeded. It wasn't until the young man came out and told his story that people realized not only did it not succeed, but he had abused those boys horribly. People needed to know where this ideology came from — this guy who abused these boys, made them perform sex acts on each other.
Candace Owens: Just a colleague of Dr. Jerri Frantzve. I am telling you all of the psychologists in these circles are perverted. Any incursion into history, any incursion into what happened and what went wrong in America begins and ends with these so-called scientists that we rescued from Germany. The fact that we still celebrate people like Sigmund Freud in school is your biggest clue that something is wrong and rotten at the top.
Lori Frantzve's influence on Erika — and Erika's pattern of relationships
Candace Owens: I want to add this: across the board, everyone that I have spoken to says that Lori — Erika's mother — is exceedingly problematic. They acknowledge that Erika lies about a lot of details, and obviously on the basis of just the divorce documents that we went through yesterday, I can see that Lori might do some things that would not be described as honest. But what people have said to me is that she is the person who has always been in Erika's ear — a Type A person who tells her who to go after in each and every room, who Erika should instantly transform into, what she has to say. One of her exes was very clear. He said to me, "I was warned by another person in the beauty pageant world that that girl will do anything to get to the top, and her mother will do anything to help her get to the top." Lori was a model herself at one point.
To get into the Erika story, you have to know who Lori Frantzve is. Erika is without question a climber. And she is also without question willing to lie to make her mother look better. To say "I grew up with a single mother" is not true. Why is she saying it? People suspect Lori is the person in her ear getting her to say that because it makes Lori look good. But let's not remove Erika from this — Erika desperately wanted to be famous. No one can deny that.
Tomorrow, when we begin in earnest to go through Erika's life, you will see she's never dated a normal guy. She's never dated a guy with a nine-to-five job. And that's what Elizabeth Lane was hitting at when she was speaking about going through her exes. You can see like she was going to be with somebody — "Okay, you're going to the NFL, you're going to the MLB, we can be on the Amazing Race together." She is not dating a regular guy ever. Her goal was to make it. And suffice to say that Elizabeth Lane was very much on the money when she suggested that she would have done anything to be famous.
And the missing year — or missing years, I'll say plural — of Erika's life. Very weird. Where was Erika? She even admits there are things missing. Anyway, we'll take a brief break before I show you a clip of Erika just lying casually.
Tyler Bowyer, missing money at Turning Point Action, and Doge
Candace Owens: The most important relationship — and I don't want to get ahead of myself because we're going to get into this tomorrow — the most important relationship that Erika had at Turning Point USA is Tyler Bowyer. You will recall that when I sat down with her, one of the questions we keep asking and can't get an answer to is: how does Erika Kirk know Tyler Bowyer? She couldn't recall that in person. We can't get an answer. That seems to be something she doesn't want to answer. But Tyler's a very significant person because he introduced her to Charlie. He set that up. Not a good guy, Tyler Bowyer.
And there was a rumor — which I will tell you what Turning Point's response was — but it was stronger than a rumor. It was somebody very much in Charlie's life who said that Charlie told this individual he was establishing Doge because $10 million was missing. I went to Justin Streiff when there was communication between us — the COO — and I specifically asked about that. I said I'd heard this and this person definitely knows Charlie, and knows Erika. They said, "No, no, no, that's not true."
Well, fast-forward to today: they fired a lot of people, and a lot of people are speaking. Somebody who was within Turning Point USA confirmed to me that money was indeed missing out of Turning Point USA. I can back that up 100%, which is why I'm saying it publicly — that there were millions missing out of Turning Point USA, and they specifically said the money was missing out of Turning Point Action, which is headed up by Tyler Bowyer.
The reason I'm bringing that up is because Tyler Bowyer has a relationship with Lori, and Lori was put on the board of some company — it collects data, nobody really knows what it does, something like a tech company. I remember when I was sitting with Erika, she kind of brought this up and said, "A lot of people want to know why my mother was put on that board, but it was just because we needed a familiar name." That's what she said. Lori was put on the board because they needed a familiar name. I guess there just aren't enough billionaires donating to Turning Point USA for them to have put someone other than Lori — who we are told is very sick — on the board of that company. It makes me wonder. And I wonder why Justin Streiff has a different version of events than somebody else at the company regarding whether or not money was missing. There's a lot there that feels like it needs to come out.
I do not believe for a single second their version of events — that Charlie established Doge seven days before he died because he just wanted to feel like Elon Musk and use an expression. I don't buy that for even one second.
Erika lying casually — the pageant origin story
Candace Owens: There is something casual about the way that Erika lies — about her background, about whether or not she's had boyfriends, about not having dated for five years. That's not true. It's almost like she glitches and doesn't remember. There's an element of that to me that feels like information is being downloaded, like she's remembering things and can't quite recall them. I'm going to show you a clip, because tomorrow we're obviously going to get into her pageant days and how she meets Tyler Bowyer and the connections in Romania. But I want to show you this clip of her just lying very casually about how she got into the pageant world. This is her from 2020.
Interviewer: Was it after that? That's when you started pageants, or when did that come about?
Erika Frantzve: Right. So the pageant world to me is something that — it was an interesting season of life. It was nothing that I was ever groomed for. It was nothing that was ever on my radar. I just wanted to play professional basketball. That was my thing ever since I was five. I was a gym rat, for lack of a better term. And I remember getting something in the mail when I had come home from school one summer — it was like, "Hey, you should compete at Miss Arizona USA. Someone nominated you." And I was like, "I don't know who would nominate me for that, but okay." So I shared it with my mom and I was reviewing all the different things you have to go through, and I thought to myself, if I were to ever win this, the most important thing out of it would be to be able to make a difference with the title. I don't care about the photo shoots. I just want to be able to overbook myself, get involved with the local communities, with the local organizations that are actually making a difference. So the pageant world for me was something that was not a form of narcissism. It was more along the terms of being a steward for my state, especially as it hit our 100th year celebration.
Candace Owens: Yeah, that's just not right. That's not true. Erika has been involved in pageants from the very beginning. Her mother is definitely the person who pushed that. I actually do believe that Erika loves basketball — there's no question she plays basketball. But this idea that she didn't want it is just not true. It's so objectively not true. Erika without question — and anybody who's being objective and honest and looking at her history of the people she dated and the people she wanted to be in close proximity to — can guarantee to you that this girl wanted to be famous. Very badly wanted to be famous, one way or the other.
We don't want to get ahead of ourselves. Tomorrow we're going to really jump into Erika's pageant years and when she kind of hits the map.
Viewer comments
Candace Owens: Okay, the comments yesterday were just exceptional. I just want to shout out all of you in the comments section. So funny. We were laughing so hard. The top comment was, "Had to hide in the washroom at the Daily Wire to watch this with the other 238,000 live audience." So good.
Angel of Remedy writes: "I want to piss off Candace so that she will investigate my family roots, because I want to know where I come from." Tanner Wolf wrote: "Everything they have been telling us is far, far from the truth. Loving the Scandinavians in the comment section. It was fantastic. We really enjoyed it."
You guys just make everything worth it. Even though the media absolutely hates us. The psychological campaign to try to get us not to do this series — you guys have no idea what they were doing. Beyond.
Charlie writes: "We all feel what is happening instinctively. Candace, I feel you are the one who was sent to pull down the veil and unite us all against the elite global machine. They try to divide us, but together we are strong in God and truth." You know what? I used to play that game too — I didn't even realize it. That's how good their psychological campaigns are. They really do make you think you figured it out if you've picked either the left or the right. No — they are benefiting on both sides. The same families are benefiting at the very top.
All of it would have seemed so crazy to me if you had said even five years ago that the elites are practicing occult magic. And now I'm going, "Why are we even in school?" We're just literally sitting in a classroom talking about the public school system so they can work a number on your children and make them think they're educated and should pursue working for one of these companies. That's the most aspirational thing they can do. It's so backward.
Intuition Jen writes: "It seems really weird and now a bit suspicious that there are so many Mormons involved with Turning Point USA and Erika." The Mormon thread will continue. I do want to say first and foremost: so many Mormons helped me in the Charlotte Crook investigation. I could not have done a lot of that early research into UVU campus if it was not Mormons running around getting information and acknowledging what's going on at that university. But in terms of speaking about Turning Point USA, Tyler Bowyer is the guy. He's the guy that introduced Charlie to everybody, including Erika. And Erika can't remember how she met him. That's not right.
And more investigation needs to be done into Jerri Frantzve's Mormon family. Her mother's last name is Ferrin — F-E-R-R-I-N. Mormon families are always big, so this could mean something or it could mean nothing, but the Ferrins definitely married into the Farnsworth clan a few times. And Arizona — there's stuff going on there. Tyler is close with the Farnsworth clan. We've covered that. There's a lot to look at, and I can say definitively he is not a good person.
It's also weird that Erika is protective of him. That should unnerve you. Another thing that was missing: just her instinct to get rid of bad people or people that were pressuring Charlie. She's like, "Give them mainstage. These are my allies. My allies are Charlie's enemies." I don't know. None of that is normal.
And if I find out that Turning Point Action was indeed — not allegedly, and I feel like it is, I'm getting this from Turning Point USA — actually missing around $10 million, two separate people saying that: one from their personal life, one from their professional life. And Erika is covering for that. Woo. It's just going to get even bigger. We need to keep the pressure and get to the bottom of what happened.
Jennifer Hoer writes: "The young boys were David and Bruce Reimer. I'm from Manitoba, a small town outside of Winnipeg. It is a very dark story." Yes, absolutely — what Dr. John Money did to those twins. The media did not cover it well. I pray he is in a better place. There was no justice ever served. Absolutely. And that was one of Dr. Jerri Frantzve's colleagues.
This person writes: "We need a day of peace and worship. Hands Across America 2.0. We need to come together and raise the spiritual vibration of this world. Some will fight this evil with weapons. Some will fight it with spirituality. Anyone have any ideas?" I am all about fighting it with prayer and truth. I am so serious when I tell you — they try to cast a spell every time they lie, but it doesn't land anymore. It doesn't land. And they kind of know it doesn't land. All of the money — we're saying no. We're recognizing the influencer campaigns, the screaming, the theatrics. You cannot watch this series. Candace is a demon. Oh my gosh. How dare she look into what school Erika went to. How dare she notice that she's lying.
I always want you guys to feel encouraged, because none of us were awake to this years ago. We were all at one another's throats and now we're finally turning around and looking at the elites and going, "Who are you? What families are you from? Why are you behaving like this?" We're the psychologists now. We're diagnosing them. And they're a bunch of psychopaths.
Jordan writes: "Dear Candace, you are a human being who is true to her soul. When my father died, I held him tightly in my arms to make him know that I was there for his last path, as scary as it was for him. While being skeptical, I kept my senses open and I truly felt his soul coming out of his body." Wow, it's so beautiful.
Helina Deini writes: "TPUSA is running a tight shipwreck."
Joyce Tutt writes: "She is America's number one investigative truth seeker. Of course, we stand with Candace. Crisis king. Let's go."
Yeah. I just want you guys to walk away knowing that the elites are practicing the occult. I want you to know that it has not stopped. Yes, they are satanic and we have to acknowledge that first. Remain optimistic. In the end, God wins. He's already won. That's why they can't defeat truth. They don't know what to do. They're spending so much money — they can buy everything, they can buy influencers, they can buy ad spots, they can continue to float people who would naturally have failed if we did in fact live in a free market society. Nobody's watching them but somehow their companies keep growing. Yeah, that's the elites. That's their money. The factory never ends. But the one thing they can't purchase is truth.
Hope Bean writes: "Voddie Baucham is a prominent pastor, author, and theologian. He died on September 25th, 2025 at the age of 56. His death was attributed to an emergency medical incident. I loved him. I wondered about his death. Christ is King." I did not know any of that. So thank you.
Paige writes: "Did everyone see the alleged leaked smear campaign against Candace Owens by Turning Point USA? That isn't righteous judgment. It's bearing false witness. The ninth commandment doesn't include an agenda-driven exemption. Truth over fear. Crisis king. Go Max." I can tell you I did not look too much into that because I felt they were trying to distract our team from doing the work and actually creating the series. But what I will say is I found out from employees that they were behind the attacks against me from the very beginning. That was quite shocking because I was obviously speaking to them in good faith trying to understand what had happened. I was very alarmed to learn that they had so early been behind a PR campaign to dismiss me.
At Charlie's real funeral, they're on the phone with the doctor coming up with a magic bullet theory. That's beyond weird. Don't ever forget that. That came from Erika. Superman neck came from Erika. And they're telling you you have no right to ask questions. She was running a PR campaign to help the masses believe that Charlie had some kind of Superman neck on the day that he was slated to be buried. I guess he wasn't buried — we don't know whether or not he was ever buried. But that's wild. That is wild and it's not okay.
Closing — what's coming tomorrow
Candace Owens: Tomorrow, like I said, we will begin in earnest to go through her pageant years, which I'm very excited to get into. But I felt like this background and these players are important. Dr. Frantzve is important. Now I can just kind of give you the timeline — we can go through and see what Dr. Frantzve is doing in Eastern Europe, and then Tyler's going to get into Eastern Europe, and Erika's going to get into Eastern Europe, and everybody's in Eastern Europe with the Marines doing good things always. They never do anything bad. The Marines gave Good Samaritan Hospital out of their hearts. They just said, "I heart you Catholics, here, have this hospital." Yeah, that's how it goes.