Candace Owens continues her "Bride of Charlie" investigation into Erika Kirk's background and family connections
Candace Owens delivers a solo episode covering the Iran war threat, her ongoing investigation into Erika Kirk's family history, and a historical overview of revolutionary movements in America.
Summary
Candace Owens opens with commentary on the escalating threat of war with Iran, arguing that Charlie Kirk was the person who previously prevented full-scale U.S. military involvement by convincing Trump it would damage his legacy — and that his removal was connected to this opposition. She then continues her "Bride of Charlie" series, presenting newly obtained divorce and child support documents that consistently list Erika Kirk's birthday as November 22nd across multiple filings spanning 1995 to 2007, contradicting the official date of November 20th. A significant new revelation is that Charlie Kirk stated on his own show that Erika's mother Lori is a direct lineal descendant of Vince Lombardi, the legendary NFL coach after whom the Super Bowl trophy is named — a claim Owens connects to possible ties with the Lombardo crime family. The episode also covers Erika's contradictory accounts of when and how she read the Bible, and expands on the background of "Uncle Rick" Erpenbeck and his family's history of financial fraud.
Key Takeaways
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War with Iran and Charlie Kirk's Role in Opposing It
Candace Owens: Happy Monday, you guys. It's looking like war with Iran, ladies and gentlemen. War with Iran. I don't know how many Goyim must die for the Khazarian Empire to be reinstalled. But can we just say that they really did a good job gaslighting us last year? They just lie. It's amazing how they lie. They called us panic — that's what they called us — after Operation Midnight Hammer, which was Trump agreeing to a limited strike on Iran's nuclear sites. We told you the truth back then. They wanted a full-scale war. That's what Bibi wanted. That's what the Zionists around Trump wanted. And the one person who stood between America's involvement in a full-scale war in Iran was Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was at the White House and he convinced Trump that it was a terrible idea that would crater his support and ruin his legacy. He and his minions were angry about that. Charlie Kirk, 31 years old — he's the person that's stopping us from getting what we want.
It is my personal belief that that is the very reason they colluded to have that obstacle eventually removed just months later. That's what my timeline reveals to me — that it is very likely a plan was set in motion after Charlie beat Bibi's desires at the White House. I believe, on the basis of evidence, that Charlie's murder was likely a very sophisticated military operation that was meant — and here's the funny part, this is how insane these people are — ironically, they wanted his murder to galvanize American support behind Israel. That was their plan. That's why Bibi immediately got on the air to remind you all how much he loved Israel, right? They wanted to all get out there and say that, because they didn't want us to learn that Charlie had actually abandoned their cause entirely.
So Charlie was removed and in his place we got a Shabbat Shalom woman — not-so-grieving widow. "This is the book my Charlie wanted you to read. He just finished it. He loves the Jews. He just finished speaking about how much he loves to Shabbat and to shalom and to say daddy's home and to throw down his phone." Bari Weiss — just incredible when you think about it all coming together. Who are you, Erika Kirk? I seek to know. Welcome back to Bride of Charlie.
TPUSA Staff Reframe Charlie's Legacy on Iran
Candace Owens: We have nothing to hide. I'm going to be honest. There are some words that I want to echo out like a battle cry. Here they are.
President Donald Trump has said, "I will not allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon," because he has said, "When crazy people have weapons of unthinkable violence, you have to deal in reality." The longer I live, the more I realize that puritanical ideological approaches to situations like this are not helpful. On one side are the Lindsey Graham and John Bolton types, who are actively calling for regime change. Here is Lindsey Graham:
Lindsey Graham: "This is just lunacy. We want to go all in and take out the regime. It's time for us to close the chapter on the Iranian Ayatollah and his henchmen and start a new chapter in the Middle East."
Candace Owens: That sounds good, doesn't it? But what have we learned when it comes to wars, and especially wars in the Middle East? What you draw up on a whiteboard rarely happens. What you think theoretically is going to occur — there might be unintended and unforeseen consequences. Especially when you're talking about a country two and a half times the size of Texas with 90 million people, an ancient and great power with well over a dozen ethnic groups. Who's going to run the country exactly, Lindsey Graham? This sounds like Hillary Rodham Clinton in Libya.
So I'm pointing to the first extreme right now — the neoconservative extreme, the "we must go take off the head of the snake right now." And Donald Trump is doing a phenomenal job of resisting these calls for regime change. Yeah, the Ayatollah is awful, but maybe he's one of the few guys that can keep that country together and not have a 90-million-person civil war. Lindsey Graham is so consistently out of his mind, it's hard to even comprehend. I honestly don't think the neoconservative extreme needs to be represented philosophically anymore. It's uninteresting to me. They've made a mess of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, the entire Middle East, Ukraine. We know what the neoconservatives believe.
Oh, Charlie, if only you knew that they're trying to convince us that the legacy of Turning Point USA is actually neocons. Neocons will be opening for AmFest. People that want war, people who are cheering about regime change in Iran today, are the very people that your wife is going to hand over the keys to. Try to convince us that that wasn't your perspective — that you didn't have issues with these people philosophically and morally. Moral blackmail. That's what these people were doing to you in the end.
By the way, have we heard anything from that new CEO and chairman of Turning Point USA? A statement over the weekend underscoring what Charlie's beliefs were? She loved Charlie — which, like I said, explains why she must have invited all of his enemies to sort of hostilely take over what he built. These people are shameless. So shameless, in fact, that over the weekend his quote-unquote best friends — despite us being clearly able to hear what Charlie felt about Iran and about the idea of regime change in Iran — his best friends, the amazing McCoy and of course Wargaming Blake Neff, actually got into his studio and shared this. Take a listen.
Blake Neff: "He also always did have trust with the president, and he would look for the bright side of things, and he was an American patriot. So he would pray for our success once that began. And I just want to say that to offer perspective on how I think he would have felt about this. And that's not to use Charlie as a shield. That is not to say everything just revolves around him because he's not with us anymore. But I know people — all of us are feeling the lack of Charlie in a moment like this because he was a natural leader of the movement."
Second speaker: "Well, I think that's also — as soon as all of this broke out, you saw that social media immediately went to go find Charlie clips because he still is, even in death, like the leading voice on a matter like this."
Blake Neff: "And sorry, go ahead."
Second speaker: "No, I was just going to say — and it makes me upset, though, because for these people that didn't actually know Charlie — like Blake, you said it, in private he would be not happy with the situation and he would express his thoughts. You would oftentimes see him talk about that on the show. But then as soon as this would happen, he would have trust in the president. He would try to calm people down. And so it's really irritating for me to see so many people on social media have the opposite reaction — to use his voice to actually cause chaos, to actually cause fear of this situation, to actually cause hatred of President Trump in this whole ordeal, when actually that's not what you would want."
Candace Owens: It really is just amazing to watch. It's shameless. Like I said, it's just shameless. They don't even care. They've got the ghost of Charlie. "Aha, we can direct the ghost of Charlie. Why are you sharing these old clips of him as if he would have stood against the president, even though he literally stood against the president and told him not to go to war with Iran? Trust me, if he would have been here, he would have been supportive of what the president is doing" — which was explicitly against what Charlie shared in his own words. Shameless.
Like Erika having been slated to record something alongside Bibi Netanyahu and Ben Shapiro. No one even believed me. I tweeted that about a month ago — that they were slated to record something ahead of the Super Bowl. I don't know if it was for the Super Bowl, but it was just ahead of the Super Bowl at Mar-a-Lago, and last second, whatever they were going to record got cancelled at the eleventh hour. She was teaming up with Ben Shapiro and Bibi Netanyahu, and then maybe somebody was like, "Hey, this isn't a good idea." Because she loved Charlie. She loved him like Lyndon Baines Johnson loved JFK. No time to grieve. She needed to be sworn in as the new leader before his body was even cold.
In case you didn't know this, LBJ was actually a crypto Jew, as they term it — a Jewish gangster. Crypto Jew to be sure. More on that later. We'll talk more about that later.
Recap of Key Characters in the Bride of Charlie Series
Candace Owens: But first, let's recap some of the characters that we've been introducing to you on Bride of Charlie, because it's good to remind ourselves of all the people in this very elaborate story.
First and foremost, we introduced to you guys last week Dr. Jerri Frantzve — Dr. Jerri Fronface is what I'm going to call her. That is the first wife of Erika's father, Kent Frantzve. By the way, I then learned that they were married at a Bahai Temple in Chicago. Just dropping that little tidbit for you guys. Dr. Jerri, we learned, was raised — these are her words, not mine — in a strict Mormon household. I guess then she must have become Bahai. She was pregnant at the age of 14, married by the age of 14, a bookie turned psychologist, creator of a tessaract model. Radford University gave her a research center — a gender research center. And guys, I forgot to mention this, but Radford University's seal and their yearbook features the Beehive. I cannot make it up. Anyway, back to Jerri. We also learned that she worked with DuPont Chemicals as a psychologist. She also worked with the Bush family, and she conducted — which we'll get into later — gender research specifically in Eastern Europe. So many ties to Eastern Europe and Bosnia. We're going to get into that.
Another character we introduced you to was Uncle Jack — Uncle Jack Solomon. He is married to Erika's aunt, Carla Solomon. He graduated from what is today UVU — Utah Valley University — or at least that's what his résumé says. It was formerly called Utah Valley State College. He helped to build the UVU campus, is a board member for the UVU Center for Jewish Studies, and is a professor of political science at BYU. I should mention Jack was also the founder of what is today known as Bally Technologies. He's relevant because we're going to be speaking a lot about the casino connection to a lot of people. And Zion's Gate in Israel is his family's dedication — not Erika's, but his family's dedication.
And of course, probably the one that took us on the greatest journey is Lori Abbis Stanley — Erika's mom. Lori Abbis, Stanley, Waldd, Frantzve, Gwinta. She's even divorced from Larry Gwinta, however you say that. Corporations are coming out of her ear. She's got so many companies and they are never filing on time — they've got to be shuttered. Her first marriage, by the way, because some people messaged and asked, was to a man that sort of disappeared into the military. His name was James Melvin Stanley — he actually passed away. Here's a photo of him. I am struck by how much he looks like Brigitte. I just want to say this is the only photo I could find of James Melvin Stanley, her first husband. She got married to him, I believe, when she was 19 years old. She then married John Robert Waldd. Do not yet have a photo of him. Just know that where Lori goes, fraud follows. Lotteries, casinos, gambling — these are familial themes which we're going to build upon today.
Rick Erpenbeck's Ties to Both Lori and Erika
Candace Owens: On Friday, we let you guys know that Erika's mother Lori has always used an Erpenbeck brother on her paperwork. He's signing things for her, helping her to form these many corporations. Rick Erpenbeck is his name, whose brother Bill did over two decades in prison for financial fraud — trying to kill his sister, threatening to kill his sister, burying cash on a golf course, just run-of-the-mill stuff. And Rick's father, Tony, tried to arrange for the kidnapping and murder of some kids because he was upset about the time he was getting in prison. Run-of-the-mill stuff for a family.
Well, one of you guys emailed us and alerted us to something pretty interesting. We were kind of imagining whether or not they still had a relationship today. We can now confirm that it's not just Lori who was close to Rick, but Erika is close to Rick as well. Now, I want to be clear — Rick Erpenbeck did not do any time in prison. He said, "I was a young college student. I don't know why my dad transferred all of this money to me, and I'm very close with my brother Bill." He was honest about the fact that he's close with his brother Bill throughout his testimony. This is his family, but he didn't do anything wrong and he doesn't know where the money came from. That's his story and he's sticking to it. He did not serve any time. It's important to stress that.
Like I said, I don't know that I would be super close with a family like that. Full stop. Well, you should know that Erika considers Rick to be her uncle. Again, she could just be saying "uncle" the way you do when someone's been around you your whole life — "that's my uncle Rick." But the reality is, if her Instagram is to be believed, she's very close to this person. On December 1st, 2018, she went down to Universal Studios — which is where Rick works — and Erika documented that trip. She was with her mom. Lori's always in the background. And here you're going to see Uncle Rick. Take a look.
By the way, I should mention he's high up at Universal. It makes me wonder if that could have been a potential pathway for her to win Miss Arizona in 2012, because NBC Universal and Universal Studios split ownership back in 2012. Trump owned half and NBC Universal owned the other half of the pageant. Anyway, I have no proof of that. I'm just saying that's an interesting tie — that Rick is working over at Universal Studios.
Now, like I said, for some people, proximity to criminals is a non-starter. That's how I would say I live my life. Being close with your brother who tried to kill your sister probably wouldn't be my thing. Both Lori and Erika — it's fine to them. By the way, I do also want to add that that's one of my favorite things about gangsters. $34 million went missing and he's at the top of Universal Studios. Just incredible. I don't know. I feel like if my brother was like the Zodiac Killer or something, I probably wouldn't be able to go work for Disney or Universal Studios. Anyway, moving on.
Erika's Birthday: Consistent Discrepancy Across Court Documents
Candace Owens: We told you last week that someone sent us the remaining documents pertaining to Lori and Kent's mysterious divorce. We can't even pin down a decade for when this marriage happened — no idea if it happened in the early '80s or in 1993. The prevailing narrative from the debunkers is that the initial filing — which I would like to remind you only had four statements of fact, a one-pager — was simply a clerical error when they listed Erika's birthday as November 22nd rather than the 20th of November, which is the birthday she has today.
Now, to be clear, there was no clerk involved. It's a document filed by Lori, sitting down with her lawyer, reviewing it with her lawyer. And by the way, when you go into a courtroom, you have to swear the statements are true. The birthday was what we also showed you featured on two separation agreements authored in 1995 and authored in 1996. So separate documents. But we couldn't access the rest of them, and then I told you someone sent them to us and we can now show you the remaining filings.
First, I'm going to show you this joint shared parenting plan, which you can see filled in by hand on January 8th — I'm going to go with 1998, that was my best guess. It's hard to tell since someone tried to edit it by hand. Again, this is real life, so you just do what you want there. But the point is that Erika's birthday is again listed as November 22nd, 1988.
Then came an amendment to the child support plan, drafted on September 10th of 1998. In my opinion, it is the most egregious of all the filings. There's no notary. There's no judge signing off on another page. It's really just Lori, and I think even her attorney was like, "This is a bridge too far even for me." Lori was just going off vibes. And I would be remiss if I didn't show you the signature page, because I find the signatures to be very similar between her and Kent. Remember, we're supposed to believe Kent waived off his rights without a notary on these documents. So Lori's kind of running the show.
Then I'm going to show you the November 10th, 1998 final decree. This time, Erika's name is typed in. And once again, her birthday is listed as November 22nd, 1988.
Moving on to the medical child support document, which was entered in the following year, January of 1999. This particular document requires the consent of the health insurance company — in this case, listed as Aetna. What is entered as her birthday is November 22nd, 1988. And I want to be clear — this is all for child support. So, actually, the only date that really matters here is Erika's birthday. You want to make sure you have the right kid. We're in 1999. They're still consistently telling us it's November 22nd. But we're not done.
Let's fast forward to 2004, because maybe from 1995 to 1999, multiple people, including the parents of the child, were just making clerical errors. Maybe what's needed to straighten people out is a new decade. Y2K vibes. Well, in July of 2004, Kent defaulted on his child support payments and the enforcement agency recorded the default plus Erika's birthday. And as you can see, once again, it's listed as November 22nd, 1988. Apparently there isn't a clerk across 10 years who can type 20 as opposed to 22.
Let's go to 2007. Good year — I graduated high school. They released the final installment of the Harry Potter book series. I feel like nobody got anything wrong in 2007. Fantastic year. Except for whoever filed for Erika's child support emancipation. Now she's 18, you don't have to pay child support anymore, and you go back and file things. And once again, her birthday is listed as November 22nd, 1988.
The point I'm making here is that everything about this marriage, everything about this divorce, everything about Erika's early years is shady. And the beginning matters. The beginning matters deeply. We opened this series reading Elizabeth Lane, the investigative journalist, and her thesis that Erika Kirk might be a psychopath — not a sociopath, but a psychopath. She argued that is what disturbs us when we see her speak. Something's not right. The brain is registering that words are coming out of her mouth, but the expressions are not right. The actions are not right. And our body has a natural defense system that comes online before we can even register what makes us uncomfortable. We pull back. People say, "I can't watch her. I can't listen to her. I hope she does well, but I don't even want to watch this." Even those people who do support her, Elizabeth Lane noted — they can't watch her.
I want to build upon that. Psychopaths are not born. They are created. They are created, and typically they are created in their youth. If the work of Sigmund Freud — who rather obsessed himself with creating psychopaths — is to be believed, I would respectfully submit to you all that Erika's childhood is actually the most important piece of the puzzle. Because no matter what anyone is trying to tell you, Erika is not posting her mother the way that she is without intent right now. She didn't post her mother for years and then she suddenly moves to post her mother in a vulnerable, sick position a mere two to three days before Charlie's assassination. That registers to me as emotionally manipulative. I don't know many people — really any people — who would move to curate an Instagram reel of their mother in that condition. Most of all, I don't know many people who would want or allow that. That also tells us something's not right with Lori. Why would you want someone curating these moments of you and putting them online? They're leaking to people — without any clarity — that her mother is unwell, imagining that one person said, "Oh, I heard her mother has cancer." They're putting this out there without any clarity.
Who is Lori? Lori is a very interesting character. I think her mother's got a lot of problems, but what somebody dug up — something that Charlie shared about Erika's mother — is shocking. Absolutely shocking. More about her ancestry.
Historical Context: The Pale of Settlement, Revolutionary Movements, and American Organized Crime
Candace Owens: I'd like to give you a little bit of history. I'm going to go through it quickly. You have probably heard, maybe vaguely, the so-called conspiracy from people who print the textbooks, that we're being ruled by the Khazarian mafia — this empire that existed in the 8th, 9th, and 10th centuries and then magically disappeared. It was a Turkic tribe — a nomadic tribe — and then they mass-converted to Judaism. They were not ethnically Jewish. They mass-converted to Judaism and mixed in with people who are actually Jews. They call it a conspiracy that the people who live in Israel right now are the Khazarian mafia. But if you read books printed in Israel by the Israelis, they themselves declared that they were Khazari. You could look at a man named Abraham Pollock as an example, who wrote a book and did all of the research. He was awarded for his research and said, "Hey, we're that tribe — we are the Turks that mass-converted to Judaism." And then he was told it was inconvenient after they awarded him — after 1948 — they were like, "Oh no, no, no. We're claiming we're the original Jews from the Bible. So let's just get rid of all this research."
Something else you should know — actually, something that's definitely not a conspiracy, you just need to research things outside of Hollywood movies. You know that Italian mafia? It was actually Jewish — maybe Khazarian Jewish. Hollywood was, as we know, factually started by Jewish gangs. Universal, MGM — there's no hiding that, no denying it. Initially they were carnies, people running carnivals, wowing people with illusions, the occultists. And then they said, "Let's do this on a larger scale. Let's do movies. Let's get people to pour into cathedrals. Put on a show." Movies are another illusory trick. They capture your imagination, capture your emotions, and are almost never based in reality.
The prevailing narrative is that for no reason we can identify, the Italian and Jewish mafias just partnered up — Meir Lansky and Bugsy Siegel, the Italian and then the Jewish mafia got together. The reality — and you need to listen to this backwards and forward and do your own research — is that in 1881, the Russian Tsar was assassinated by a Jewish revolutionary gang from what was known as the Pale of Settlement. You had a Christian empire, and what was carved out was that if you were Jewish, you had to live in the Pale of Settlement, because they required that you were Christian to live within the kingdom. The Pale of Settlement consisted of modern-day Poland, Ukraine, and Lithuania. This is very important to understand.
After the assassination, many of the associated people involved — the little gang that put it together — they immigrated to Italy, they immigrated to the United States. You learn this in your textbook as there were pogroms — no context, no reason — kicked out of a country. There's actually no evidence they were ever kicked out, but they left. The revolutionaries left. And throughout this time frame, these sorts of revolutions were happening all across Europe, trying to overthrow and divide Christian kingdoms — deeply organized revolutions. Initially they failed. The German revolution failed. Italy, Austria — failed revolutions of 1848. The revolutionaries were Communists. You could also refer to them as murderous psychopaths, and then they immigrated en masse into the United States as victims, bringing with them their revolutionary ideas. They were anarchists, obviously, but also think of them as gypsies in the truest sense of the word. They will learn any language, become what they have to become, move wherever they need to move, and wherever they go they bring their filth with them.
We get these migrants into the country and then suddenly the people that assassinated the Tsar — then we get the first bombing in America at Haymarket Square in Chicago, that involved quote-unquote German immigrants. The assassination of President McKinley was done by a Polish man named Leon Czolgosz, who was radicalized by a Jewish Russian immigrant named Emma Goldman. Her family was from the Pale of Settlement. They were not poor — they were wealthy Jews, educated Jews. There are tons of books about what they did. I could do 12 episodes on Emma Goldman alone — the amount of assassinations connected to her. She was also the woman who was behind Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood. Emma's boyfriend, also from the Pale of Settlement, tried to assassinate Henry Frick of US Steel. He literally shot him. You've probably heard the story. Frick survived.
They're just murderous Communists. And they did that — tried to kill Frick — because they wanted to establish unions. So you learn in school, "Oh, it was about workers' rights." Yeah. They organized worker strikes and protests and eventually were successful in establishing unions, because that allowed them to establish racketeering mafias. You guys know unions are associated with the mafia and the mobs. This is our inheritance. Our entire history and our present is a gangster's paradise in America. Hollywood exists to glamorize the filthiest people, the most debased industries. It's not entertainment. It's always been disgusting. It's always been about filth, prostitution, importing people from Vienna, and trying to collapse America — successful all across Europe. Christian empires got divided. And here we are today, right? This is what we're facing in America. You have to understand this.
You get to the mafia, you get to the mobs, you get to usury. You will always know them by the filth that they bring. Think about the Great Depression. What was that about? Oh, now we need to establish the Fed.
The History of Sports and the Lombardi Revelation
Candace Owens: The history of sports is an interesting subject. Sports was a distraction. It is a form of entertainment. I'm not trying to ruin these things for you. There are so many incredible movies about the history of sports. I love Remember the Titans — it's legitimately one of my top ten favorite movies of all time. Love it. But I would say I don't have a full sense of who began the sports industry. I'm just a girl. I'm just a girl — never wound up here.
But I'm telling you this because I think Lori Frantzve is rotten to her core. And I therefore found it unbelievably interesting that someone located an old interview — an ask-me-anything segment from Charlie Kirk's show. A person emailed me and said, "Candace — I listened to Charlie's podcast, the rebroadcast last night by the TPUSA crew regarding his thoughts on the past Super Bowls. Charlie was speaking about the Green Bay Packers and mentioned that Erika's mom is a direct line to the Lombardi family. I thought this might be an interesting piece to your puzzle." A direct descendant of Vince Lombardi.
Now for those of you who don't follow sports — or more specifically, those of you who don't follow American sports, because Americans think football is so big but obviously it's just confined to America — Vince Lombardi might be the most famous American football coach of all time. He is so famous that the Super Bowl trophy is named after him. Whoever wins the Super Bowl receives what's called the Lombardi Trophy. That's named after Vince Lombardi of the Green Bay Packers. And people in the comments are going to come at me, but I'm pretty sure that was the first Super Bowl ever. Scarlet, you can look that up for me.
Erika Kirk, a direct descendant? No, I'd have to hear Charlie say that myself. That can't be right. Well, sure enough, we went to investigate and Charlie did communicate that very fact. Take a listen.
Charlie Kirk: "The Packers won the first Super Bowl. My wife Erika is from the Lombardi family."
Interviewer: "Really? Is that right? Seriously?"
Charlie Kirk: "Yeah."
Interviewer: "That's royal. Her mom's a Lombardi? Literally, isn't that insane? Like, is she like direct bloodline?"
Charlie Kirk: "Like lineal descent from Vince. Yeah. We have all this Packer stuff at our house."
Interviewer: "I didn't know that. That's interesting. That is why."
Charlie Kirk: "And I'm from a huge Bears family, so I don't know."
Candace Owens: I'm just going to let you guys digest that. Oh, Lori. Lori, direct descendant from Vince Lombardi. My first thought was that Charlie's not lying, because take it from me, he's not dumb enough to tell a lie that big on camera. He's not going to do that. He knows they will fact-check him real quick. So my only other option was — is Erika lying? Obviously I would rank that as a strong possibility, were it not for the fact that Charlie said they had a ton of Vince Lombardi paraphernalia around the house. A direct, lineal descendant from Vince Lombardi. You're hearing this from his own mouth. Erika's mother, he is saying, is a Lombardi.
Charlie is not known for hyperbole. He knows words have meaning. A direct descendant would mean that Lori is Vince Lombardi's offspring. Lori is born in 1950. And I have to say, once I heard him say it, Lori and her sister Deborah do look like Vince. I see it. And I thought it was interesting that I could never find a photo of her parents.
Curiously enough, the person listed as her parent — Angela Lombardo. Well, that's actually her name: Angela Lombardo. Her mother is a Lombardo. That's her maiden name. In other words, Erika's maternal grandmother is Angelina Lombardo Abbis. You can see that in an obituary from 1970. The bottom there says Angelena, wife of Joseph Abbis of Cincinnati, Ohio.
So what's going on here? Because that still wouldn't make her a direct descendant unless — people do have multiple identifications. I can't get there. But I know that Charlie is being pretty explicit in saying "direct, direct lineage." And I don't have photos of Lori's mom and dad. I wanted to present this because there are many rabbit holes that ought to be explored in this story. I cannot chase them all down, because I need to now focus and bring you guys into understanding what happened with Erika at PragerU's world and how she was truly brought on at Turning Point USA.
But I want to share this anyway because it feels very significant. That is not casual. And I'd like to apologize in advance to all the football fans. I know you're thinking, "Can we have anything?" And the answer is no. We cannot have even one thing. Figure it out, guys. Figure it out, internet. Is her name really Angelina Lombardo? Is his name Joe Lombardo? I don't know. Is Lori actually Vince's kid? Did he have one out of wedlock? I don't know. But a direct descendant means a direct descendant. That, to me, is the only possibility. Why else would you be getting the paraphernalia, which is worth a fortune?
And it would also mean that Lombardo and Lombardi are interchangeable, which Charlie has just confirmed. He says she's a Lombardi, but actually, according to the obituary, she's a Lombardo. If that's the reality, if those are interchangeable, then we can begin to honestly speculate about Lori's potential ties to the Lombardo Genevese crime family, who had a lot to do with illegal gambling and racketeering. It's now all open. It's all on the table and it is all of interest.
Like I said, unfortunately there are no photos of Lori's father and mother that I could find, but it's a strong lead. I'm going to leave that for YouTubers and other sleuths to take a look at.
Erika's Early Years, Missing Time, and Contradictory Accounts
Candace Owens: Pivoting back to Erika and Erika's timeline, because now all the characters we've introduced are in place and you understand the story we're telling. I wanted to let you know that we did receive a flurry of emails about Erika's missing year, as well as a lot of comments.
We can confirm that Erika did attend St. Ursula Villa up in Cincinnati, Ohio, but she attended — what we can document — for kindergarten. So that was before she went down to Arizona. We have that photo for you guys. This would be from 1994 to 1995. And for funsies, her name is spelled differently there — with a C. Clerical error. Another clerical error. They're all over.
I wanted to let you know we thus far have no one with a yearbook at St. Ursula Villa who has been able to confirm her from 2000 to 2002. So those years are still technically missing. I thought that was where she was for those years, but maybe we had it in reverse.
We also did receive confirmation from basketball players at Regis University that we were correct — she did not play in the 2008–2009 season, despite in the future claiming multiple times that she played at Regis for two years. Well, I can show you this photo we gathered of Erika with her Regis University team members, taken in December of 2007, but she did not play. Regis University — her stats are still up, but we could not find her in a newspaper, and now we have team members confirming she did not play for the 2008 season.
So the mystery remains — where was Erika hiding for eight months afterward? Many of you thought she went to have a baby. "In my day when someone went away for eight months, it's because they got knocked up." I've seen no evidence of that. I'm just sharing it because it was a repeat comment. I'm going to keep following the facts and following Erika's words.
Regarding that year, someone sent us another clip of her verifying our timeline, so we are accurate. She goes missing in 2008 to — quote-unquote — "study the Bible," to see what — she didn't learn the Bible, as we showed you last week. She didn't learn it because she was Catholic and they didn't really study the Bible. Then she got this time with her pastor's wife to really learn everything. And she says it was for eight months. Well, take a listen to her explaining this again on a different podcast called Don't Ignore the Nudge.
Erika Kirk: "Like with Miss Arizona, I was so done with that world. It was very toxic. I loved my director, I loved the experience I had, but afterwards it was one of those things where I was so sold out and focused on Christ that I didn't want anything from that past or that world to follow with me into the new season that I was about to enter into. And so for me, it was all about — I literally had locked myself in my room and read my Bible. And the only person I saw for six months was my pastor's wife. And I just had her pour into me. We would meet for lunch or coffee and I just — I didn't see any of my friends. I didn't do anything. I just was so focused on that."
Candace Owens: You hear it again. This time she locked herself in her room. Self-taught. How much of the Bible could you read if that was the only thing you were doing for — she says six months there, eight months on a different podcast. But it's Erika, so we're not going to hold her to anything consistent. Six to eight months — how much of the Bible could you read? And like I said, she presented it as her "aha" moment. She finally got to have this experience with the Bible because she learned it for real this time.
Well, you might assume that she then became familiar with the Bible. But when it comes to Erika, you should never make an assumption, because now we're going to fast forward to her telling Sage Steelee the story about how she got acquainted with the Bible thanks to a Christian friend of hers — not in 2008, but in 2016. Take a listen.
Erika Kirk: "The first time I ever read the Bible cover to cover was 2016, and it changed my life. It absolutely changed my life. And that's when I started. So it was me and another friend, and I put together the Bible reading program and I sent it to my friend. I said, 'Do it with me,' because I don't know what I'm doing and you've been a Christian your whole life and I just want to have an accountability partner. Please read this with me. 2016, finished the whole thing. It was a wild year and — after that, everything was in technicolor and I was like, I get it now."
Sage Steelee: "I get it. That gives me —"
Erika Kirk: "And it made me — it's really interesting, because then if ever I do go back to sit in a Catholic mass, I'm like, now I get the Catholic side even more after having read the Bible. So I wish that there was more, because even when you go to confirmation class and all of those things, it never — I just wish they would have — and some Catholic churches are great at this, some Catholic high schools are great at this — unfortunately mine weren't, from the standpoint of 'get your own Bible and let's crack it open.' It was never really like that."
Candace Owens: I don't know what's up. I don't know what's down with Erika. You could say she didn't read it cover to cover in the first eight months, but I would imagine she wouldn't need to turn to a friend eight years later and go, "What am I doing?" — if she had eight months to study the Bible with a pastor. I think a pastor would be better suited than a friend.
She gives me the vibe of someone whose brain has been rerouted — like the pathways in her brain have been rerouted from a time when she was a child. Like she just had to lie so much that she doesn't even recognize that what she's doing is lying. She just says something and it's, "This is what works in this room," exactly as Elizabeth Lane described it. This is what works in this room. This is how I have to be. Maybe I need to be Catholic this week, Protestant next week.
It's so all over the place. Other than someone who was programmed and has had to tell so many different stories that she can't pedal backwards — she just keeps going and just keeps swimming. And what she's going to say tomorrow is not going to be what she said yesterday. It's too many lies. She is obviously not fit to be the CEO and chairman of Turning Point USA just on the basis of the dishonesty we can show you using her own words. Trying to make sense of anything Erika says is a very difficult task.
Audience Comments and Final Observations
Candace Owens: Top comments from Friday's episode. "Brigitte, if you're reading this, you are still not off the hook." That was hilarious — number one. Second comment: "Hiding in Ben Shapiro's eyebrows to watch this." These always make me laugh.
"Want to glorify God?" writes: "Sure, Erika. You never dated for five years in New York. You never entered a beauty pageant. You stayed at home for eight months studying the Bible. You never checked Charlie's texts. You never knew Charlie was afraid for his life. Charlie had a neck of steel. Dangerously pathological." Yeah, she's pathological. There's no other explanation — unless she's telling the truth and Charlie didn't tell her. The only way that would make sense is if Charlie thought Erika was going to kill him and didn't text. I wouldn't text Erika. Otherwise, why is your husband not telling you he thinks he's going to die?
You can make the argument that you don't want your wife worried about your impending assassination, likely coordinated by a foreign government — but I feel like, maybe after you were assassinated, and she had the phone and access to Dan Flood — who, as I broke the story, did not get fired from Turning Point USA. He had one job, he messed it up, and he did not get fired. A grieving widow might do that, oddly. Andrew Kovette, the PR guy, should have told you. You're plotting together — "What should we tell the public?" "Oh, we'll say he had a steel neck like Superman."
I feel bad for Andrew Kovette. I feel bad that they've made him be the person who has to lie, and he's catching all these strays. But she's been the hand directing him. I now know that because of the firings. Erika has been directing the messaging from the very beginning. She went straight from her husband being assassinated to assuming the chairman and CEO role, to Zoom calls and directing the PR messaging. Andrew's out here catching strays. I don't know why you do it, Andrew. I've got an idea, though. We're going to get to that. Maybe Erika is not the only person who was born into something.
"Objectio" writes: "The biggest winners of the CK-EK investigation are the Macrons. It's been half a year and Candace has barely mentioned Brigitte's dangling." I actually said today, "Oh, look, this person looks like Brigitte" — so a little something for you there.
"Sonia, here for Truth Brits, Candace — we are behind you, keep going. You, your family, and your team are always in my thoughts and prayers. The truth sets us free and we are free to seek truth. Christ is King. Jesus is Lord of all." Agreed, and thank you for the support.
"Conjurup" writes: "Urban Becks — the same ones committing fraud in Cincinnati, the homebuilder fraud, the bank folding fraud." I don't think you saw Friday's episode. You should go watch that. Yes, that's Erika's uncle Rick.
Now, she could just be saying "uncle" casually — you know, like when you get close to someone, "that's my uncle." She's got some family she claims to be her family. Nicole Rothstein — "cousin." She's over there saying, "This is my family's dedication." I don't know if this girl has a full-blown personality disorder where she just becomes the thing in every room, or if she's just saying, "Hey, we've been close." People do that casually. I don't know what she means by it. We can ask her after the show for clarity on whether it's a "funcle" or a bloodline uncle. I think it's probably just what she calls him because they're close.
"Tammy Gaus" writes: "So with Erika's new timeline, how did she manage to read the Bible cover to cover? Oh wait, I know — she read it between all her dates with her sports boys, her cabriolet, and dates during her summer house era." I thought the same thing. I was like, "Well, 2016 was a bit of a wild year for Erika. You're telling me she also had time to read the Bible cover to cover?" That's pretty hard to do even if you actually had nothing to do — which is what she claimed she had for eight months where I personally feel she was maybe training somewhere. Otherwise, why try to wipe that year by claiming you played basketball for another year when you didn't? I feel like she was doing some training perhaps — again, it's my opinion.
"Misty" writes: "Why are they still calling it the Charlie Kirk Show? It's time to retire the name in respect of Charlie's memory. How about the Turning Point Show?" I think that wouldn't even do it justice. They should rename the company. They should rename it Shabbat Shalom USA — that would be a better representation of its new leadership, its new opinions. Neocons — which Charlie could not stand. He couldn't stand these people at all. And there is no truly grieving widow on the face of the planet who could bear to be around the enemies of her assassinated husband. So everything and every manner in which she is moving registers to me as someone who is a pathological liar, which we've proven already. We haven't even gotten into all the other lies. We haven't even gotten into her relationships, or taken you further through her backstory and how she was brought to Turning Point USA.
There are so many more lies. But I think what we can agree on, just this far in, is that we know nothing about Erika Kirk — and I don't think Erika knows anything about Erika Kirk. I think she was created. I mean that genuinely.