Candace Owens presents the concluding episode of her "Becoming Brigitte" series on French First Lady Brigitte Macron
Candace Owens delivers the epilogue to her investigative series examining the identity and background of Brigitte Macron, wife of French President Emmanuel Macron.
Summary
In this concluding solo episode of the "Becoming Brigitte" series, Candace Owens reviews and extends her investigation into the identity of French First Lady Brigitte Macron, building on her earlier interview with French journalist Xavier Poussard. Owens argues that photographic evidence — particularly a side-by-side comparison of a young Jean-Michel Trogneux at age 18 and the current Brigitte Macron — is compelling enough to suggest an identity swap may have occurred. She presents new material on Emmanuel Macron's maternal uncle, Jean-Michel Nogué, who served as Emmanuel's godfather, died in 2006 with no available photographs, and whose medical faculty archives refused to release records. Owens also scrutinizes inauguration footage provided by the Élysée Palace as supposed proof that Jean-Michel Trogneux is alive, arguing that the man shown does not stand with the family, is ignored by Brigitte, and is instead seen standing with David de Rothschild. Owens also examines a 1991 German magazine family reunion photo — taken to mark the 50th wedding anniversary of Brigitte's parents — from which Jean-Michel is conspicuously absent. She discusses anomalies in the Trogneux family photo supplied by Mimi Marchand, including apparent irregularities in Monique Trogneux's hands and a striking facial resemblance between Monique and Brigitte, as well as the near-total absence of photos of Monique despite her marriage to a prominent billionaire. Owens concludes by theorizing that the secret at the heart of the story may involve incest, calls on the public to come forward with any information they may have, and closes with a live audience Q&A in which she addresses viewer comments, calls for Emmanuel Macron to resign, and announces that a new investigative series will be revealed the following day.
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Introduction and Series Overview
Candace Owens: The internet is on fire today. We jump back into our conclusive episode on the "Becoming Brigitte" series because I know there are so many lingering questions. Is Brigitte Macron the first lady of France Emmanuel Macron's biological father? We're hearing that a lot. Where is the real Brigitte Trogneux? Like I said, a lot of people have theories, and I think today we can allow ourselves to roam and wonder these sorts of questions. I see that there are TikTokers that are getting their accounts hit and banned for discussing the matter, so welcome back to "Becoming Brigitte."
I think it's safe to say that my interview with journalist Xavier Poussard completely melted the internet. It definitely melted our website at CandaceOwens.com. There were many people who had not previously engaged in the series entirely, but they saw the now infamous side-by-side of the photo of a young Jean-Michel when he was 18 years old, taken at an engineering school, next to the current French First Lady Brigitte Macron, and they were just kind of jolted into the understanding that something was very wrong. Like, yes, you can be an almost identical twin with your brother who you're supposed to have seven or eight years apart from, but that doesn't seem to be the case. The photographic evidence became instantly, I think, undeniable for a lot of people.
So now we have just a lot of people that are going backwards and diving in from the very beginning, as they should. I am recommending: do not start at that interview and then jump into this episode. We have covered so much. One can only come to understand how such a potential identity swap could be feasible if you begin to map out the supporting cast of characters. That's why we took our time here, because you have to understand who is around these people, what is their network, how much power would it take if you did want to create identities or destroy identities. And we've arrived there. We have finally arrived there.
The Trogneux Family Tree and Naming Conventions
So first and foremost, just bringing this back up — let's take again a look at Emmanuel's family tree. And of course we have learned, and I'm going to reinforce here, that he is not — at least doesn't appear — that he was close to who are supposed to be his biological parents or his biological siblings, at least by any stretch of an understanding of his own autobiography. He didn't write about them, just a couple of sentences. But he had so much to say about Brigitte's family, and really only a lot to say in terms of his biological family about his grandmother. And I think most of us suspect — and I can say I most certainly do — that that mom and dad, they're not actually his mom and dad. That's how I just feel about the circumstance, in terms of him describing, well, it was my grandmother that first taught me how to ride a bike.
I also find it to be suspicious — again, this is our last episode so we can start to theorize a bit — I feel incredibly suspicious about the fact that they're both doctors, that dad's a pediatrician, and his mom, who we thought — or didn't understand why she was involved with the Social Security office — actually was involved in helping transgendered people secure new identities. That doesn't make us feel good about that nebula that is around them.
Then of course, like I said, the curious case of his grandmother, who he affectionately calls Manette. We know that there are virtually no photos of her available — the person who essentially raised Emmanuel Macron, again according to his own autobiography. We are given just two photographs. Why do we even actually know if that was her name? She was allegedly also a teacher. Why is it so hard to get photographs that demonstrate his childhood? Was her name even actually Germaine Aret? Did she have another name that she may have potentially used? I'm taking you guys through my own process here. Why are we just getting these two photos?
Like I said, while in the past we have stuck strictly to the facts, today we are going to permit ourselves a little more wiggle room. I hold the suspicion that many people have come to the same exact understanding — that it could be plausible that all of these people have multiple identities. If you've got somebody in the family that can destroy identities and create identities, why wouldn't you use that to your advantage?
And I also think it's important to think about the time frame. It was a different world. Thinking about relatives that were growing up during World War I or World War II — we are talking about humans moving over national lines, nations changing, literally geographical changes that were happening depending on who won wars or who lost wars. You had people who were hiding their true identities, sometimes out of a necessity, out of fear of persecution. You have to completely get IDs, change your identity, and hide in different countries.
Well, we know for a fact that within this particular story, despite what we're being sold as the public, at least one side of the family changed their names, or had one member who changed their names. And it's kind of strange that the public was sold this story about the Trogneuxs without somebody just adding that, actually, we made up this guy's name.
The Trogneux Origin Story and the Founding Lie
Let's get into that Trogneux family. The Trogneux family — where did that family come from before they settled in Amiens and became sort of like a mafia? Because that's what it looks like to me. It looks like the Trogneux family operates like a mafia. To this day they're supposed to be a family of chocolatiers. They have this supposed-to-be sweet origin story.
This is actually the most recent publication discussing their family story that I could find in the local newspaper in Amiens. This was published in 1990 — I think it was 1991, it might be 1993 — and this was to announce the birth of another Trogneux family member, and it's showing you the lineage of the fathers of the chocolatiers. So at first you have an 1852 Jean-Baptiste, he was leading the shop, then you have Jean, then you have Jean, then you have Jean-Claude, then you have Jean-Alexandre. And I'm showing you this because I want you to understand: all of the men in the Trogneux family have the same first name — Jean Trogneux. That is significant. It is significant also because it complicates matters. If they say a Jean Trogneux is alive and well, you're not really getting anything there. Is it cousin, brother, uncle, nephew? Every male in the Trogneux family has the name Jean Trogneux, and most of them, by the way, to be clear, have more than one middle name.
So first and foremost, just going back to that publication — that first original Trogneux, Jean-Baptiste — yeah, that was a lie. His name wasn't actually Jean-Baptiste. The original Jean that settled in Amiens and opened this chocolatier shop, his real name was actually Marc-Antoine Xavier Trogneux. So that's just a part of the legacy that they just made up. And I'm not sure what the reason or the purpose of that lie is. Again, we know for a fact his name was Marc-Antoine. We were able to secure the birth certificate. This is not disputed amongst genealogists. So it's just the question of: why even start with a small lie about your family's legacy? Is it because you wanted to show lineage? Or was a conscious decision made, for one reason or another that's unknown to the public, to tell that lie? Is it really about just making things more confusing? Did you make a decision that we're going to call everybody in the family Jean — for what reason? Why would you make that decision?
Even, by the way, to be clear, the women in the family also have male middle names. So we're going to bring up that family photo again — the now infamous family photo. We are told, by the way, that that's Brigitte in her mother's lap. It looks nothing like Brigitte, but we're just going to go with that.
The Trogneux Family Photo and Mimi Marchand
This photo, again, to remind you, was introduced to the public by Mimi Marchand, who we do not trust to save our lives. But you can see Brigitte's middle name — her full name is actually Brigitte Marie-Claude Trogneux. Brigitte Marie-Claude Trogneux, which is interesting, by the way, to be clear, because her dad, as you can see, doesn't have Claude in his name. But she's taking on Claude Trogneux — for what reason? Her dad is Jean-Georges Trogneux. He does have a son, as you can see right above there in this photo, a son who has Marie in his name as well. His name is Jean-Claude Marie-Joseph Trogneux. That's a lot of names. You don't typically see this in families outside of the aristocracy, where you'll see twenty names going back to show their lineage.
Jean-Claude Marie-Joseph Trogneux, and then of course we have our guy Jean-Michel Henry Trogneux to the far left. And then just to add more confusion, the people in the family seem to marry people that have the same names as their siblings. So Monique Trogneux, there on the right, she married someone with the same first name as her brother — she married someone named Jean-Claude. And then Jean-Claude the brother up top there married someone with the same name as his sister Brigitte — he married someone named Brigitte Pont, so she then became Brigitte Trogneux. Just very convenient and very confusing.
And this is why you can just sort of go down this rabbit hole and it makes you wonder, as I have wondered: is this confusion intentional? Because if you have all these names and everyone's kind of got the same name, my brain just goes — it would make it very easy for you to move throughout the family and share identifications. To go in and say, "I just want an ID that says Claude Joseph" — "Oh no, no, that is my name, I have a lot of names, but I'm actually Claude Joseph, and so maybe now I'm going as Claude Joseph." Again, I'm speculating here.
But to be clear, this image in general is not one I'm comfortable with, because as I mentioned, we do not trust it, because we do not trust Mimi Marchand. The first time that this image was ever presented to the public, it was given to the documentary filmmaker who said that she felt like she was interviewing with the police when she was trying — her name was Virginia Lindhart, remember her, she did this documentary Brigitte Macron: A French Novel — and she said she had never been questioned like that. She was only allowed to speak to certain people, given very few photos, and those photos all had to go through Mimi Marchand's Best Image.
So she's handing out these images, and her history — Mimi Marchand's — of being accused of forgery and extortion, I'm starting to wonder what exactly Best Image specializes in, that they had the exclusive on any photos from Brigitte's past and only produced a few. Do they specialize in Photoshop?
Anomalies in the Family Photo
Because there's one thing that some people on the internet have caught — a couple of things, really, that jump out to me as odd about this photo. First and foremost, that girl on the far right, Monique Trogneux — look at her hands. That looks weird. What's going on there? It looks like a lot of fingers, maybe potentially too many fingers. It looks like six fingers, three of which are nubs. I mean, maybe she was throwing gang signs, I don't know. But that looks very weird to me.
And the one thing that I do know about Photoshop is that people say it is incredibly hard to Photoshop hands. That's usually where people get caught Photoshopping. When you see all these scandals — we knew Kim Kardashian Photoshopped it because of her hands, she's missing a finger. I don't know why that is, again I don't work in that space, but it is incredibly hard to Photoshop hands and fingers.
And then there's Monique's face in general. As soon as I saw it, after going through so much of Brigitte's history, I realized that Monique just looked familiar to me. I felt like I had seen that face before. I'm being told this is an older sister, but to be honest, she looks a lot like this photo. I was like, this looks very, very similar. These are supposed to be two different people. And if you're wondering what that photo is on the left — that's a photo of Brigitte apparently. France 3 came across an old photo from 1989 of Brigitte Auzière, so this is Brigitte after marriage, Brigitte in the teacher phase. And I just find that that face is just so familiar. But hey, siblings are familiar, right? You can look exactly like your sister.
So I just said to myself, okay, well let me just see some current pictures of Monique. Maybe they still look like dead ringers for one another, and they're both alive today, so this shouldn't be hard to find photos of Monique. And actually it was really hard to find photos of Monique, despite her marrying a billionaire from Amiens — now a billionaire automobile family. Monique Trogneux marries this guy, again not important for you to remember, named Jean-Claude Gaye, who owned like the largest automobile billionaire company in France. She just never took photos throughout her life besides that one. Can't find a wedding photo, nothing.
And Xavier Poussard had warned me, because I was texting him going, "How is this possible? I mean, come on. How do you marry a billionaire, marry someone who comes from — there's just no photos of you?" And Xavier warned me: don't start down the rabbit holes, because nothing makes sense. As soon as you start looking at the story, you realize nothing makes sense, and that's exactly what they want — essentially to drive you crazy, to confirm what should be very basic things, and for whatever reason it's virtually impossible to do so, despite the big names of these families, despite their proximity to power.
The Question of Incest and the Rothschild Connection
So I just went ahead and left it alone. But there's one thing that I find makes entirely no sense, and it's very strange, and I would very much like to invite the public to jump in on this incredible mystery.
Many of you had suspected that these families might all be related. Are the Auzières, the Trogneuxs, and the Macrons all just from the same family? Is there a chance that Brigitte Macron — some of you asked — is actually the father of Emmanuel Macron?
Now to be clear, I had never made that statement, because I wanted to keep this series factual and to pull away from my gut and to be like Xavier and to only go with the documents and the things that we could confirm. But there is obviously a lot going on here, a lot of evidence which suggests and points to the conclusion that the secret seems to be bigger than just having a transgendered wife. Think back to the moments that we went over here — of President Emmanuel Macron looking to his wife Brigitte for answers, basic answers about the biographical background of his family. Remember that scene we told you about when he was speaking to a politician and the politician was like, "Yo, your sister lives near here, where does she live?" and Emmanuel freezes up and looks to Brigitte. Why don't you know where your sister lives, Emmanuel? What's going on here? Why does it feel like there is this relationship where maybe Brigitte is more than the wife? Why does it feel like Brigitte is sort of holding your hand? Why does it feel like you've always had your hand held by people that are more powerful than you?
We definitely know and have confirmed, like we did in the last episode, that he had his hand held through his career by David de Rothschild — a family that is known and is on record as having practiced incest. Why and how did Emmanuel Macron get so close to the Rothschilds? So close that his colleague said, "This dude didn't even know what IIDA meant," and yet he became the youngest managing partner. We understood that whatever it was, David de Rothschild was holding his hand. He just couldn't question the power that he was being given. "We would laugh at him in meetings because he knew nothing about finance." Why did David de Rothschild see to it that Emmanuel had his hand held?
"Vice is nice but incest is best because it stays in the family." That is a direct quote from David de Rothschild's cousin Natalie Ramos-Rothschild. And in case you don't believe me, here was a clip of her saying that.
Natalie Ramos-Rothschild: "But incest is best because it stays in the family."
Candace Owens: She said it in English. She switched right over from French and said, "This is what we say in our family — vice is nice but incest is best."
Then there was a biography written by author Natalie Livingston, entitled The Women of Rothschild, which sort of revealed the maniacal desire that the Rothschild family had to maintain their fortune and their power in the world — a desire so maniacal that they practiced family incest. That is just undeniable, it is a fact. And allegedly they did this only until it was no longer socially acceptable, right up until the late 19th century.
In this book, Natalie Livingston documents that the reason for this goes back to the will of Mayer Amschel Rothschild. She says, quote: "It goes back to that will. Mayer Amschel Rothschild said that nothing was more important than the family, and that meant at any cost. It was about preserving the unity of the bank and the integrity of the name. There's no question. Endogamy can't have been great — for example, there's an enormous amount of mental health issues that ran in the family. I can't believe there's not a correlation between endogamous matches and the issues of mental health."
She then even discusses how that mentality within the family was so strong that they believed any woman who stepped outside of the family in terms of who she married was cursed — like, you are cursed because you did not marry your cousin, brother, uncle, whatever it is.
So of course your brain wanders and you begin to think naturally in this story: why did David de Rothschild pluck up Macron — a guy who his colleagues said did not even know what IIDA was — and yet David de Rothschild moved to make him the youngest managing partner in the bank's history? A bank's goal is to make profit. If you're a Rothschild, you care about making profit. If you care especially in a maniacal sense about making sure that your power is not lost in the world, the last thing you're going to do is pluck up some obscure guy who knows nothing and pull him through the ranks. You would only step outside of that obvious goal of wanting the bank to make money if there was something more important than money, and that would be power. And you would only do that if nepotism was going on. In my view, you're like, "I'm pulling you through the ranks because you are related to me, and what matters more to me is that this bank and whatever it is that you do maintains within the family." You give someone a job not because they're qualified in that sense, but because they are your family member.
How and why did David de Rothschild get so close to the Macron family of doctors and the Trogneux family of chocolatiers?
Emmanuel Macron's Uncle Jean-Michel Nogué
What I can tell you — and again we are now being purely speculative — is that my instinct, my personal instinct, has always been that if you were going to inbreed, a father-son relationship might actually be too close. I always felt that if it took place, we would be looking for an uncle. I feel like that's just like a standard story — an uncle molesting a child feels like that's what my brain instantly searches for.
And it turns out, you are not going to believe me, but this pattern of similar names in every family also extends to the Macron family. Remember, there are no photos known to date of Emmanuel Macron with his parents growing up. That is insane. We do know that his father — the person that they tell us is his father — his name is of course Jean-Michel Macron. But there's another Jean-Michel that we haven't mentioned yet, and he's perhaps the most important one: Uncle Jean-Michel Nogué.
Now let's add him to the Emmanuel family tree so you guys can get a visual here. His dad is Jean-Michel, his mom is Françoise Nogué. Well, Françoise Nogué has a brother — and had a brother, as you can see, he died in 2006 — and his name was Jean-Michel Nogué. That was of interest to me. Again, I'm going down the rabbit hole, I just want to identify who is who. He is the brother of Dr. Françoise Nogué, the one who helps transgendered individuals get new IDs. And also, she said, as we pointed out, that to her, Brigitte is not a daughter-in-law. What is she to you?
Let's just keep going down this rabbit hole. The funny thing is that Emmanuel Macron did not follow the normal course of Catholicism. He was not baptized as a child. In fact, his parents are not religious. He chose himself to be baptized at the age of 12, while he was at the La Providence school. So two years before he met the love of his life, Brigitte, he decided to make a decision — and that's a remarkable thing, not a weird thing, a remarkable thing for a 12-year-old to do without parental guidance.
But what's interesting, and what we haven't mentioned before, is that he chose his uncle Jean-Michel to be his godfather when he got baptized. Baptisms are not supposed to be just like an act of vanity. I know today they've become that — I'm just going to pick a godfather or godmother and actually I have no faith in God, no faith in religion, I just think it would be cool. That's kind of the moderate interpretation now. But this has significant spiritual meaning. This person is supposed to be selected to be the person to guide you spiritually throughout the rest of your life. If something were to happen to your parents, this is supposed to be an individual that your parents would entrust to guide you spiritually for the rest of your life.
Emmanuel Macron picked Jean-Michel Nogué, his uncle. I'm going to read this directly from Xavier Poussard's book. He wrote:
"A character in particular caught our attention: Emmanuel Macron's maternal uncle, Jean-Michel Nogué. He was important. Emmanuel Macron chose him as his godfather when he decided to be baptized. The role of the godmother obviously fell to Manette. Born on December 25th, 1940, in Nevers, and died on October 6th, 2006, in Amiens, Jean-Michel Nogué was not some general practitioner. He was a prominent member of the board of the faculty of medicine of Amiens, as indicated by his obituary published by his colleagues in L'Oise Picard — remember, that's the newspaper in Amiens. He was also the chairman of Domus Medica, a non-trading real estate company bringing together numerous local healthcare professional organizations."
He then gets into these are just friends for the council department, and so on. So this was an important man. He's a huge figure.
So I thought, surely this man, Uncle Jean-Michel, must be photographed somewhere. Maybe a photo of him and Emmanuel at the baptism day, maybe at La Providence, maybe on Emmanuel Macron's wedding day to Brigitte. Surely we can find a photo of this guy within medical circles.
And you're not going to believe this — and of course you're going to believe it. First and foremost, he died in 2006, the year before Emmanuel Macron got married to the love of his whole entire life, Brigitte. And regarding photos, of course Xavier Poussard attempted to secure them. He specifically went to the archives of the faculty of medicine where Uncle Jean-Michel worked in Amiens and built up such a remarkable reputation for himself. And guess what — for whatever reason, they refused the request. So we don't have any photos of him. He died in 2006, and we don't have any photos from when he was alive and was clearly very active in Emmanuel's life.
And I don't know why Emmanuel didn't dedicate an entire chapter to him — his uncle, who he was so close to spiritually, his spiritual leader. That's not something you just forget. The person who you believe is going to spiritually guide you throughout the rest of your life — you're attending a Catholic school, you would know the significance of such a meaning. Why did you pick him? This means nothing — it could mean nothing, guys. It could mean everything. But more than anything, it again demonstrates the unbelievably, unnecessarily secretive nature that surrounds this family. People exist on paper, they don't exist in photos, and then they disappear.
You have to imagine, by the way, that Uncle Jean-Michel would have been living in Amiens at the same time that Jean-Michel Trogneux would have been living in Amiens throughout his marriage with — I'm totally blanking on her name — Véronique Drew. Yeah, they all just in this little close community. You'd have to imagine that, right? At the same time. But who knows, they both just kind of disappear into thin air.
Anyways, this is just what happens when you look into things. They debunk nothing, by the way. If you ask, "Hey, could you just clarify that, get us a photo here?" — they instead wait for everyone who's investigating this to make a mistake, and then they sue people. Make a mistake while you're asking meaningful questions and you are going to get sued. If you live in France, you're worse — you could be in prison. People have been imprisoned for looking into this story, arrested for looking into this story. Xavier is correct: it is meant to drive everyone crazy, jumping through a thousand rabbit holes.
The "Little Chubster" — Identifying the Man at the Inaugurations
And speaking of rabbit holes, we should now discuss more thoroughly the "little chubster," the little fat one, as Xavier calls him — recently presented by the media as proof that Jean-Michel exists. Listen, I want to be very clear: I have no doubt in my mind that a Jean-Michel exists in Amiens. It seems like that's just everyone's name. Everybody's Jean-Michel. So do not color me shocked when they say, "We have found a Jean-Michel." I've already found about six of them.
Now you're probably thinking, "Candace, yeah, there's just too many Jean-Michels on every side of this family, I'm not quite sure what to trust." Well, we at least have to try to understand who this little chubby guy is and if he is indeed the same Jean-Michel that is pictured in the initial Trogneux family photo.
Now it's important that I keep reminding you that the public is being gaslit in a manner that would make even Sigmund Freud blush. It is so easy to simply present photos of the current first lady throughout the '80s, or photos of her with her brother Jean-Michel at any point throughout her entire life. Don't let the media gaslight you and pretend this is crazy. It is the exact opposite. They are being crazy by not just putting all of this to rest.
Even if she found some photos throughout her very active and photographed teaching years of her and Jean-Michel together, I'd be like, "Okay, cool." There is only one massive family reunion photo that I could find since that family photo that was taken in the 1950s in Amiens. This photo was actually published in 1991 in a German magazine, and I'm going to show it to you now. You can see on the right there we have got Brigitte — now Brigitte Auzière — and missing from this photo is Jean-Michel. There's no Jean-Michel in this photo. And it was allegedly them all getting together to celebrate the 50th wedding anniversary of the father, Jean-Georges Trogneux, and his wife Simone. So why would you not have all the siblings there that are alive? Doesn't that seem like quite the event to miss?
We know that Jean-Michel has never died on paper. He is still alive according to Brigitte Macron. But what he does, what he has been doing, what his career is — nobody knows. We are told in one book by one journalist who found it to be very suspicious when she went out to investigate this circumstance — Emmanuelle Anizon — that she was told in Amiens that he just plays cards with his friends. He's just a private guy who never left Amiens. That's what we're supposed to believe. He never left Amiens after his divorce from Véronique Drew. Now he's just kind of like retired and playing cards in a café with his friends.
So with questions that were then reaching a fever pitch amongst the French public, when they realized that for whatever reason this brother had been sort of left out of Brigitte's story — and now they're being told that, well, him and Brigitte were so close that at his wedding she signed on as the witness, and also at her wedding he was the best man — people are going, "What's going on here? Where is this person?"
Suddenly the media had to start making up some answers, and the answer they provided was: oh, little chubby guy. As I discussed with Xavier Poussard, we are told that this guy is the extraordinarily private Jean-Michel, all grown up.
Now I can tell you right off the bat, in case you're wondering, the World Economic Forum Chinese software program says no, that is not the Jean-Michel that we are looking for from the little boy in the photo. I can show you this match right here — the confidence is 54%. Xavier does say that when it comes to glasses, just to be super clear with you guys, the technology doesn't want you to use two people that are wearing glasses, or glasses in general — they do caution that glasses can sometimes shade the face in a different way. But you can see here, when we're showing you this, we're talking 52% confidence on the little chubby one next to him.
Anyways, it would be easier, rather than having to use technology, if the Élysée Palace just came right out and said, "Yes, this is actually Jean-Michel Trogneux, the one you've been looking for, the same one pictured in that 1953 family photo from Amiens." It's such an easy thing to say. That's not their thing. Clarity is not their thing. Ease is not their thing. Hush, be quiet, threaten, sue — that is their thing.
The Élysée Palace's Legal Response
So instead, just to be clear — in the initial letter that they sent me, the hundred-page letter, an opportunity really to say to me, "Do not publish your series" — I am telling you that this Jean-Michel that you're looking for, that little boy, is alive and well. And they could have just provided me photos of his missing years. They decided to squander away that opportunity by instead sending me screenshots of the little chubster at the inauguration of Emmanuel Macron.
This is what they sent me. This is the exact language: "What's more, Jean-Michel has recently appeared in public. He attended President Macron's inauguration in 2017 and 2022. During your June 12th, 2024 appearance on Piers Morgan Uncensored, you bet Piers Morgan $100,000 he could not find a photo of Jean-Michel Trogneux, implying that this would disprove your false claims. Below are publicly available images of Jean-Michel Trogneux from videos of President Macron's 2017 and 2022 inauguration. You will see that not only is Jean-Michel present, but also in the same frame as Brigitte Macron — the conclusive evidence that you have been seeking to debunk your claims."
Okay, so this is amazing. Keep that up for a second. It's amazing for a lot of reasons. It's amazing that the Élysée Palace, rather than giving us a document — a passport with things blacked out but maybe just his name, a driver's license, anything that would be a form of ID, photos of them together growing up, because this is our problem — is sending me screenshots of an inauguration with a guy in the background. "Aha, it's debunked! Jean-Michel exists!" Like I said, twenty-seven of them exist. I have no doubt that a Jean-Michel Trogneux exists somewhere in Amiens. In fact, there's probably twenty of them.
But of course they mistook me for a fool. I've already been made wise to their game, so to speak. Names and — it's all about how you phrase the questions. It means nothing to tell me that a Jean-Michel exists, but it would mean everything if they simply spelled out an answer to a basic question about who they are claiming is Jean-Michel.
So we went back to them with an exact question, so there could have been no remaining confusion. We were clear. We will publish the truth. Here is the wording that we wrote in our letter back:
"Because the Macrons dispute the substance of Candace's reporting and opinions, we would like to provide them with the opportunity to present their story and to clear up any rumors in the press. As such, we offer any date and time during the months of January, February, and March of 2025 for an interview between Candace and your clients. Candace, her producer, and a videographer will fly to Europe, arrange for a translator and studio in which the Macrons can answer questions. As you know, the first remedy for a defamation plaintiff is mitigation by using available opportunities to contradict the lie or correct the error and thereby to minimize its adverse impact on reputation. We are providing such an opportunity. To facilitate this interview, we offer the following questions in advance."
So we gave them this opportunity — weeks before we began this series — to answer a specific question about Jean-Michel at the inauguration. And here is the question we asked. I draw your attention to number three: "Is the man you showed at President Macron's inaugurations in 2017 and 2022 the same individual pictured on the far left in the Trogneux family photograph from Amiens?"
Yeah, I'm awake to your game. Don't tell me names — tell me, is this the same person? And of course, you guys, we never heard back. They had the energy and the frustration to write the letter and say it's a lie, and we gave them a runway of two weeks to say just give us a yes or no to this. And I promise you — hand to God, on my children's lives — if they had answered and said yes, this is him, I would be reporting that information today. Because I'm not interested in jumping down this rabbit hole for the purpose of spinning a conspiracy theory. There is something very wrong with this family, and perhaps the biggest thing that is wrong with this family is their refusal to answer basic questions while pretending that they're being victimized by the questions at the exact same time. It is bad faith acting, plain and simple.
Analyzing the Inauguration Footage
So with no response from them at all, suddenly them going mum on answering these very basic yes-or-no questions, we decided to instead turn to try to identify the guy with the inauguration footage. What is the screenshot they gave us in their notations? A YouTube link — hours of footage from the inauguration — and we decided to scrub through it.
Élysée Palace legal team, we will rise to the challenge and look through this. Maybe there is a familiar vibe we can pick up on.
First thing that I should note is that in both of these inaugurations, the Jean-Michel is not standing with the family for Macron's speeches. Not at either inauguration. In the 2017 inauguration, here's a still — he is standing with a bunch of priests. And when you watch the footage, the family is all walking together as they go down the line and say hi to people. And Laurence — that would be Brigitte's quote-unquote daughter — speaks to him very briefly. They're all saying hi, it's like you've got to kind of walk through and say hi. The family is walking down and he's greeted with two kisses on the cheek by Emmanuel Macron, but he's not standing with his family. Maybe he showed up late, right? Maybe he just showed up too late and got ushered in. Okay, fine. That can't happen twice, right?
Something that's also interesting is that Jean-Claude, his alleged big brother, who he wasn't standing with or anything, was also present on this inauguration day. And yet Jean-Claude, at the luncheon which followed this speech, was seated at a table with his siblings. Jean-Claude was seated with Brigitte. Here is a photo of that luncheon. Not Jean-Michel — not the person they allege is Jean-Michel. For whatever reason, he was not seated with his siblings.
Now, that's in French at the bottom. It says — this was published, by the way, in 2023, interestingly enough, in Paris Match — and they were speaking about the Trogneux family, and they declined to mention that Jean-Michel, as they're telling us now, was at this inauguration, not sitting down at this table with his relatives, not sitting down with his brother, not sitting down with Brigitte. And what it says down there is: "At the table of Brigitte, her brother Jean-Claude, and loved ones." Interesting. Maybe he needed some fresh air. Who knows. Maybe he didn't want to sit there. Maybe they've got a strange relationship.
But let me tell you, it's going to get even stranger at the 2022 inauguration. Because scrubbing through the footage, I once again recognize that Jean-Michel is not standing anywhere near the family for the speech. Was he late again? I don't know, my friends.
I'm going to show you this, because even more awkward is the fact that when Emmanuel finishes a speech and does the walk, he goes over to the family section. And he makes a concerted effort to kiss and hug everyone alongside Brigitte. You'll see Brigitte just a pace behind him, intentionally pausing to kiss and hug all the family members. You can see them — they start leaning in, they come out, look at Macron, love you, oh, let's take our time here, looking so proud. Now he's not walking with anyone but Brigitte.
I'm not exactly sure who that guy is, but what we're seeing here are nephews, cousins — we're able to confirm who all of these people are. This is clearly the family section, and once again I want to be clear, it's both sides of the family that are standing in this section. It's not just the Macrons, it is also obviously Brigitte's family. And you're going to see that — I'm just going to let this play because it's important for you to recognize the differences here.
This, by the way, in case you want to look this up yourself, is at the 43-minute mark of the inauguration. He starts going through his family. Now you're seeing Laurence, another child of Brigitte, kissing her kids. And now behind you have who is supposed to be his biological mother, Dr. Françoise Nogué, who spends her time helping transgendered individuals get new IDs. This is the family section. There is no question. The person they allege is Jean-Michel, for whatever reason, once again does not want to stand with his family.
You fast forward — that again is the 43-minute mark — then you have to fast forward all the way up to the 51-minute mark to see him finally approaching Jean-Michel. And a couple of things I'm going to point out to you now. This is the screenshot where the legal team had the audacity to say, "In the same frame — he's in the same photo as his sister Brigitte." What they left out was that Brigitte completely ignores him. I mean completely does not say a word to the individual that is supposed to be her brother.
Let's watch this together and watch how awkward Emmanuel Macron is with this individual.
So you are seeing this — if you're on audio, that's her brother, that's supposed to be Jean-Michel. They won't answer that for sure, but that's supposed to be who they're trying to make us believe is her brother. Nothing said. Emmanuel, Brigitte just completely — oh, there's the frame where they're trying to, like, "Oh, she's right there with her brother." Says not a word. You can go back and watch this. I did not make this up. Just walks right by. Who would do this to their brother on inauguration day?
Emmanuel Macron — now I feel like if I was in the presence of my brother-in-law, I'd feel like I must go up to him first. And then Emmanuel's like, "Oh, okay, I have to say something." Little friendly goodbye, and that's it.
Jean-Michel Standing with David de Rothschild
Now let's pause that frame. Who's he standing with? Let's back up a little bit. See that guy in the background? You want to know who he's standing with? David de Rothschild. Jean-Michel was standing with David de Rothschild.
Well, I'm just truly amazed by this. Because Jean-Michel didn't have a career in banking. Jean-Michel may have had a career in baking, but not banking. He's supposed to be from the family of chocolatiers. He's never left Amiens. We can't find any evidence of him having left Amiens. So what's he doing? What's his relation to David de Rothschild? Why is he standing there?
Please just make sense of it. Again, I'm just a regular old person, I've got nothing but street smarts. But I've got to tell you, my entire family is all the way down there, and I've decided not to sit with them, not to stand with them, but to be by myself with security and David de Rothschild. Ladies and gentlemen, what the hell is going on?
Do you feel convinced that's a family member? Nope. Brigitte once again doesn't want Jean-Michel at her table. They were so close when she got married to André-Louis Auzière — they were so close, she said, "Please, I need you to be the best man." So close when he got married to Véronique Drew. It must have been a massive family falling out that makes it so that even when he's at the inauguration, he doesn't stand with the family, doesn't want to be involved with them. He'd rather stand with David de Rothschild.
And again, what do the Rothschilds have to do with Amiens? I just find this to be an incredible theme here.
Conclusion and Call to the Public
So what does this all mean? Well, what it means is that unfortunately, guys, I can't answer these questions for you, and neither at this moment can Xavier Poussard. But what it means is that for the first time, rather than the entire world being told by the mainstream media — gaslit by the mainstream media — to believe that there was nothing here and Candace was having postpartum psychosis by looking into the story, now millions and millions of people worldwide are going to look into the story. Millions have watched this series, millions are emailing, millions are investigating. And someone somewhere knows something. Someone somewhere saw something. Someone somewhere may be able to find a photo of Jean-Michel Nogué in the archives of the medical centers that he worked at throughout his illustrious career. Someone somewhere maybe recognizes which Jean-Michel that is. Someone somewhere perhaps knows the answer to the mystery of what happened to Brigitte Trogneux. Where is Brigitte Trogneux? Was Brigitte Trogneux given a different name? Did Brigitte Trogneux die young after having children? I don't know the answers to these questions.
It's taken Xavier Poussard and people like Natacha Ray almost a decade of their lives to get us to this point. Many of them giving up their freedoms. Natacha Ray has been in and out with a cancer diagnosis, being tortured by the Trogneux mafia — as I would describe it, they act like a mafia when you start prying into this. They will legally abuse you if you start asking these questions, because that's what they'd rather do than answer anything. They have given up a decade of their lives to researching this, and now we have the ability to crack this wide open.
So if you have information about this family — maybe you're somebody sitting in Algeria and you're going, "Yeah, no, I remember him, yeah, what goes on in Algeria at this time" — maybe you went to school with Jean-Michel Trogneux, maybe you are in the French military and you see something strange about access to his files, because there is a file — there is a military file that is being locked down as it pertains to Jean-Michel Trogneux. Again, something that is supposed to be made available to the public that they won't make available, and they just want to gaslight us about it. He's just so private. So private. But he does go to the inauguration. But so private he doesn't want to stand with the family or be involved with them. He'd rather stand with David de Rothschild.
Help me out, guys. If you have information, please send it to info@CandaceOwens.com.
It is my instinct — yes, I agree with those of you that are commenting right now — that we are looking potentially at incest. That is what in my gut feels right. It has to be a secret so big that it would make them react in this way. Because it is a type of violence to treat journalists like this. It is a kind of emotional violence to do these sorts of things, and they do it as though they know that vice is nice but incest is best, and things should be kept within the family.
Audience Questions
Anyways, you guys, getting into some of your questions that are coming in right now, which I hope that I'm equipped to answer.
This person just wrote: "Just got my Becoming Brigitte book in today, I can't wait to dive in. Thank you and your team for all of the great work that you guys do." Honestly, guys, this series in podcast form is one fraction of the work that Xavier Poussard has done and has put into his book. Way more — and there are criminals that I could have brought up and just thought, okay, we want to keep this series moving. You've got to do that deep dive. Even today, me telling you about the uncle — we hadn't even gotten to that point. And to see the success of this book, people that are already asking for rights to it in different languages, I'm getting emails on behalf of Xavier that are coming in — I'm just so happy for him. Because like I said, his family — what a sacrifice. You just don't see journalists like that anymore who are willing to give up and fundamentally alter their lives to tell a truth and to stand up against true power, true systemic power and abuse.
Nadia is giving us tons of vomit emojis just speaking about the topic of incest. We are right there with you, and it is unbelievable to hear someone just say that on stage and admit that freely.
Ali says: "Candace, the media poisoned my mind against you for so long. I am truly sorry, but I am here now and staying because you are one of the most elegant and inspirational people I've ever heard. Thank you for always speaking truth." Totally forgiven. I know so many people have heard lies about me. Last year, when I began looking into the story, it seems to be one of the points where everything turned around and they just started trying to tell people that I was literally Adolf Hitler — like, that is the storyline. A couple of weeks ago, right before we started the story, they then came out and tried to convince the public that I was inspiring school shootings. I mean, it has been insane to see what the media will do to someone when they inch closer to a truth.
And I think all of us wake up at a different moment and begin to question our relationship with the media. Mine happened a little earlier than yours, Ali, but I had that moment too. I believed everything that I read, because it almost — you would be crazy to think that the media is actually protecting evil and attacking good. But that is the circumstance that we find ourselves in today. We recognize that, and it's a beautiful thing to wake up to it, actually, and to have the humility to admit that you are wrong. Not a lot of people have the humility — they just go, "I've said this for years, so I have to keep saying a thing." So welcome, I'm happy to have you here.
Waves just writes: "You're amazing." Thank you, guys, for these compliments. I need them today. I was so tired today — like, you have these days when you're pregnant where you're just like, I just can't do it. And I was having that kind of a morning. And now I feel great and amazing.
Mel writes: "Friday guesses — fake moon landing, Manson murders, Epstein, MLK, JFK, Obama's birth certificate." So I have announced that tomorrow I will be announcing my next series, and it's a big one. We're not going to start it tomorrow, but I'm going to announce it tomorrow. So you're not going to want to miss Friday's episode. She's guessing moon landing, Manson murders, Epstein, MLK, JFK, Obama's birth certificate. Love you so much. I love all of those guesses. You will have to wait and see.
Key writes: "Hi Candace, thanks for your incredible journalism. During the interview, Xavier said Mimi had a falling out with the family. Has no one spoken to her since? I feel, though she's shady, that she may have the info that we need." She is currently going through trial. She's potentially going to be convicted. It has a huge scandal — I remember reading about it vaguely, but it involves Nicholas Sarkozy. It's insane what she was doing to get blackmail — just right up her alley, you know what I mean. So you can look into that. If you actually just look up Mimi Marchand, you can follow that case. I don't have an update for you right off the top of my head, but she is in it. And yes, of course they would have necessarily had to have distanced themselves, as they are still pretending that everyone around them is a criminal — it's just not them — which is pointedly ridiculous.
Brian writes: "Wow, there it is. The gene pool is so mixed and confused in both the Trogneux and Macron families that they are difficult to individually identify." And yes, that is the point, I believe.
KH writes: "Macron was live on TikTok earlier. All I saw in the comments was your name over and over." Fantastic. I cannot wait to go find that. He is in a PR crisis, trying to smile his way through it. It's not going to work. The scandal is now officially too big. And in my opinion, Emmanuel Macron needs to step down from office. Because you have lied repeatedly to the French people. You have harassed journalists. You are a monster — and not a monster of your own doing. You were targeted when you were a child, and a part of me feels bad for you. But you are damaged goods, and what you have done is unforgivable as a leader of a country. What you are doing is unforgivable. And no one takes you seriously anymore. He's actually doing America soon, and it's just ridiculous to pretend that he has any power. Whatever shadow is behind you — fly it over so they can have a conversation with President Trump. We know that you were created. You are not real. You have no thoughts of your own. You are the Manchurian Candidate, and you have absolutely no power. And that's why I didn't fear you when you sent a letter, because you are an absolute nobody in my book. And what I sense is your fear of being seen. And what terrifies me is that people described you — your own people described you as almost psychopathic during COVID, like you were enjoying harming people. And I wonder how much your childhood, being groomed by the person that you are married to, impacted that.
Lastly, Eddie writes: "I found an interview of Brigitte talking and it sounds exactly like the mystery trans person in your previous video. You are batting 1,000, Candace." It is not me — it is the French people. I am blessed that Xavier brought this to me, and I am blessed that I have the courage to look at something and be maimed and caricatured and called crazy by the media. And it actually only commits me further to that cause, because I know what the media is. And I feel grateful — I genuinely feel honored that this audience has grown, that you guys trust me to bring you stories that might sound crazy in the beginning. Trust me, tomorrow's is going to sound crazy in the beginning. But trust me to then unfold it for you. And at our core, what all of these stories have in common is that you will recognize the media for what it is. It is an entity that is not protecting the people. It is the exact opposite. It is protecting the globalist power structure.