Becoming Brigitte: Candace Owens investigates the origins and identity of French First Lady Brigitte Macron
Candace Owens hosts a solo episode of her investigative series examining the background of Brigitte Macron and the rise of Emmanuel Macron.
Summary
In this fifth episode of her Becoming Brigitte series, Candace Owens continues her investigation into whether Brigitte Macron is in fact Jean-Michel Trogneux, a male member of the Trogneux family who she argues transitioned and assumed a new identity. Owens reports on a recorded conversation between investigative journalist Xavier Poussard and Véronique Dru — Jean-Michel Trogneux's ex-wife — in which Dru denies the theory but is caught in apparent contradictions, including lying on legal documents about her marriage history and being overheard stopping herself mid-conversation. Owens also presents evidence from Poussard's book that Emmanuel Macron's rise — through the École Nationale d'Administration and the Rothschild Bank — was marked by repeated rule-breaking, exemptions, and intervention from powerful figures including David de Rothschild, with colleagues describing him as financially incompetent. The episode also introduces facial recognition technology (Face++) as the tool Poussard used to avoid the defamation lawsuits that ensnared other investigators, and presents its findings as evidence that the childhood and wedding photos attributed to Brigitte Macron do not match the current French First Lady.
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Alexander Benalla Follows Owens on Instagram
Candace Owens: All right, ladies and gentlemen. We knew that Emmanuel Macron and Brigitte were watching this series, but I am so pleased to report that so is their surrounding cast — or their former surrounding cast, I guess. Last week we discussed Alexandre Benalla. I introduced him to you as their former deputy chief of staff, who was caught impersonating a police officer and essentially beating the living daylights out of protesters in the street. Well, guess what — two days later, that young gentleman began following me on Instagram. I say the more the merrier. So welcome back. Hello, Alexandre Benalla. Welcome back to our series, Becoming Brigitte.
Honestly, I couldn't believe it when I saw it. It was like a priority note on my Instagram — "Alexandre Benalla started following you" — and I was like, whoa. Obviously, whoa. What's the meaning of this? I'm not exactly sure what the purpose of the follow was, given the fact that my profile is public. So you don't have to follow me — you can just look at my profile privately. I take it that he wanted me to know that he was following me. But you guys know me, I never squander away an opportunity, so I basically hit him up in his DMs. I slid into Alexandre Benalla's DMs. Here's what I said. I said, "I'm glad you're enjoying my series. Would you care to participate in it, to have your voice added?" And look — it says "Seen 12 hours ago." Alexandre Benalla left me on read. So sad. Very sad.
Anyways, I guess we'll just give him some time. Maybe he'll respond. Maybe he'll contribute. The point of that always is I want to make sure that I am representing people the correct way. We've asked Brigitte, we've asked Emmanuel — nobody wants to give me any answers.
Recap: Véronique and the Trogneux Connection
So what we're going to do this episode is just start where we left off. We discussed Véronique, and that was extremely explosive, obviously, for a lot of people to learn. You had this individual who was obviously highly intellectual, talking about Chopin, speaking about poetry and Paul Verlaine, and speaking about how they needed this platform — talking about a show in 1977 — to essentially advocate for transgender rights. And I want to specifically speak about Véronique in terms of something that was offered, something that we didn't hone in on last episode.
There was a part of the correspondence which is going to become significant. When the interviewer asked Véronique, "Do you live alone?" — remember, Véronique responded and said, "I'm not with anyone, but I've lived with a woman and conceived this union in the style of George Sand and Chopin. Chopin was probably a transsexual. His style of melody, the way he plays, makes this quite clear. I think the image that has been given of the Rimbaud-Verlaine union is a distorted, caricatured image that doesn't correspond at all."
So this trans individual who speaks exactly like Brigitte Macron — according to AI tech, they say this is the same person, although the voice has aged over time — they have those same ticks in speech: "that is to say, that is to say." But we learn in that little correspondence that that trans individual, or individual identifying as trans, said they had always viewed themselves to be a woman, was using the name Véronique for the sake of the interview, and confessed to living with a woman in the style of George Sand and Chopin. Whatever that means — we know this person has a partner of some description, a friend, a partner. I don't know. I really don't know what that means.
But then we learned that Jean-Michel Trogneux, in another strange coincidence, shortly after this interview took place, happened to marry a woman named — yeah, you guessed it — Véronique. Of course. Véronique Dru. We are now introducing her to you. Jean-Michel had their marriage take place on November 24th, 1980, in Blangy-Tronville — a town named Blangy-Tronville. The union was only announced after the fact, by the way. The local newspaper L'Oise Peard ran a little bit about it, and since not all of us speak French, it specifies that the union between Monsieur and Madame Jean Trogneux and Madame Jacqueline Dru took place in the strictest privacy.
We've heard that before, haven't we? In the strictest privacy. I remember that same language was used when Brigitte described the burial of her father — only we later learned that her father wasn't buried, he was cremated. But whatever — that's what Paris Match said. In the strictest privacy. So Jean-Michel Trogneux getting married. I don't know many people who get married and want to make sure it is in the strictest privacy, but that's what happened between these two individuals, Véronique and Jean-Michel Trogneux.
And you'll never guess who was the witness to this wedding — Brigitte Trogneux. Man, these siblings are really close. Which makes it even stranger that down the line, this person who's claiming to have been Brigitte Trogneux, who is living in the Élysée Palace as the First Lady, just tried to cut her brother Jean-Michel Trogneux out of her life — until journalists sniffed out that somebody was missing. But yes, it is recorded that Brigitte Trogneux was the only witness who signed at this strictly confidential wedding.
Jean-Michel Trogneux's Marriage, Children, and Divorce
Then what happens next is it's recorded that Jean-Michel Trogneux and Véronique Dru had a child — Jean-Jacques Trogneux. That is the child that we showed you who looks almost identical to Emmanuel Macron. It's really hard to convince me that these two people are not related. But they're not, guys — not according to the official legend. They're definitely not related. That's Brigitte's side of the family. Then two years later, Jean-Michel Trogneux and Véronique Dru have a daughter, Valérie. Then very shortly thereafter, they get divorced. Their divorce is finalized in 1987.
Then things get super interesting post-divorce. Véronique Dru remarries years later — 1998 — a man named Alain Deschamps-Simon. He is a major insurer from Amiens. Now, something worth noting is that after her marriage to Jean-Michel, Véronique classes up. She now has money and she begins living the high life that she never lived prior to. Okay, that can happen — you can class up in life — but it's just worth noting that she's living in a way that she hadn't lived before.
Xavier Poussard Contacts Véronique Dru
So naturally, the journalist Xavier Poussard contacted her. That seemed like a good place to start. If you're trying to determine whether or not Jean-Michel Trogneux transitioned and became Brigitte Macron, you have to be willing to accept some evidence that would point to the fact that you are wrong, that your thesis is wrong. And thus far, everybody's coming up dry. They just don't want to give you any answers. We're getting these manufactured pictures — pictures that can only come through Best Image, only come through Mimi Marchand — which are images that should not of course be trusted, because Mimi Marchand has an extensive criminal history. She has been accused of forgery, of extortion, and she's in a lot of trouble right now.
So anyways, Xavier Poussard decided to contact Véronique Dru. And guess what — she spoke with him. How strange. Somebody in the family unit speaking to a journalist. She wanted to speak with him. When he contacted her on WhatsApp, she said, "Yeah, let's set up a time to speak in the future." And essentially what she did was she wanted to dismiss these rumors about her ex-husband of many, many moons ago, Jean-Michel Trogneux.
So I'm going to read this portion directly from Xavier Poussard's book, which is available on Amazon, called Becoming Brigitte. And I want you to remember — Xavier Poussard is meticulous. He has kept recordings of every single person that he spoke to along this eight-year investigation.
So from his book, he writes this in first person:
Xavier Poussard (quoted): "I was looking to contact Véronique Dru. What was the materiality of her marriage to Jean-Michel Trogneux? Who was he? How and when had they parted? After marrying a Trogneux, Véronique Dru continued her upward social mobility by marrying Alain Deschamps-Simon, now listed in the Bottin Mondain. That is where I found her number. I contacted her on WhatsApp. She agreed to get back to me the next day and did so. Our conversation lasted half an hour. Even though she repeats the wording often heard from the Trogneux entourage — for example, 'those women are crazy,' referring to Natacha Rey and Amandine Roy — she first pretends not to know what the call is about. About Jean-Michel becoming Brigitte? 'Listen, sir, I don't know. It's ridiculous. Anyway, because I have two children with Jean-Michel. I saw on YouTube that they made a family tree where they even put that I might be Macron's mother.'"
Véronique Dru is of course referring to questions raised by internet users about the uncanny physical resemblance between Emmanuel Macron — the husband of Brigitte — and Jean-Jacques Trogneux, the son of Jean-Michel Trogneux.
Xavier Poussard (quoted): "She goes on: 'Listen, sir, I have been divorced from Jean-Michel Trogneux for many years. Listen, sir, I have remarried and my children are here. I don't want any problems. But I can tell you that Jean-Michel is not Brigitte. That's ridiculous. I had two chocolate stores in Boulogne. I had two children. It didn't work out, so I went back to live with my mom. And that's all. But I can tell you that Jean-Michel is not Brigitte.'"
Xavier says he takes her at her word and asks her for photos of her shared past with Jean-Michel Trogneux, promising that if they are conclusive, he will close the case without even publishing those photos.
Xavier Poussard (quoted): "Véronique Dru says to him: 'Brigitte told me not to get involved. I don't want any trouble about my children. It's not relevant to the family anymore.'"
Owens Analyzes Véronique Dru's Contradictions
Okay, so a couple of things I want you to remember — just to point out right there about that little exchange. She tells Xavier that after the divorce between her and Jean-Michel Trogneux, she went to live with her mother. She also stresses emphatically that Brigitte is not Jean-Michel Trogneux. But also — that Brigitte told her not to get involved. That's quite strange, just off the bat. That's strange. Because you have two children with her brother, and you mean to tell me it wasn't just your ex-husband Jean-Michel Trogneux who said anything to you, but rather his sister — your former sister-in-law — who told you not to get involved? That seems a little strange. I would expect her to say, "Jean-Michel Trogneux told me not to get involved with this. You guys are all crazy. Go away." But okay.
Let's park that by the side. You want to live with your mom post-divorce, and for whatever reason you're listening to what Brigitte Macron is telling you to do, rather than your ex-husband — who you've not mentioned in this conversation in the capacity of having a present or current relationship with.
So jumping back into Xavier's conversation — back into first person, he says this in his book:
Xavier Poussard (quoted): "As I argue that she should hold Brigitte Macron to account — because it's because of her silence that her own photo, as well as the photo of her children, Jean-Jacques in particular, are circulating on social networks — she cuts me off and inexplicably blurts out: 'And also, I know Macron's father well. I don't know him very well, but he was a surgeon at the Amiens hospital. But I didn't know Emmanuel Macron. We lived in Toulon, and I didn't even know him. I saw him at my daughter's wedding — the first time I had ever seen him.' Then I can hear another person on the line. Véronique Dru stops, visibly embarrassed, as if she's gone too far. She pulls herself together and asks me, 'Well, and what is your name?' End of conversation."
So we are to gather from this conversation that someone was in the room. She agreed to speak with Xavier, and then there was someone in the room when she was having this conversation who stopped her when she gave a random but very interesting tidbit — that she knew Emmanuel Macron's father, Jean-Michel Macron, but that she did not know anything of Emmanuel Macron until he appeared at her daughter Valérie's wedding.
And needless to say, she never did provide Xavier Poussard with any photos of her ex-husband, or of their strictly private wedding — anything that could have immediately dispelled these rumors, these missing years so to speak of his life and Brigitte Trogneux's life, that would have just put everything to bed. They're never willing to do that.
Véronique Dru's Legal Document Lies
So afterwards, Xavier Poussard does what he does best — he investigated what she had told him. Was Véronique the George Sand to Brigitte Macron's Chopin? Were they perhaps living together, and did she maybe help Brigitte Macron eventually create an alibi for her past? Or was she telling the truth — was everybody crazy, and Jean-Michel Trogneux was just her ex-husband, and he's very well and alive, he just can't speak to anybody right now?
Well, I can tell you that Xavier was able to determine that there was a very weird pattern of behavior for Véronique following her divorce from Jean-Michel Trogneux — namely, that she refused to acknowledge her previous marriage to Jean-Michel Trogneux even when it was required of her by law.
For example, in a tax document dated January of 1992, she listed that she had only previously been married once — to a man named Serge Franchot. And by the way, that's true — she had first married Serge, and then she married Jean-Michel Trogneux. But of course she had two marriages, and she leaves off Jean-Michel Trogneux. She says she's only been married once. That is a lie. Who among us would lie on a tax document? It's very scary territory. You don't want to be caught lying on tax documents. And yet she did this — she removed one of her marriages.
Then she did it again in a public real estate collective that she put together to purchase her house in Corsica. I think it would be similar to putting your house in an LLC. In 2018, she reported that she had actually never previously been married — in a document that was issued by a notary. She lied in the presence of a notary, and again removed her marriage to Jean-Michel Trogneux. Who was instructing her to essentially pretend that she had never been married to Jean-Michel Trogneux? Under document, she just removed him for the rest of her life, it seems.
Everything that Xavier could find — he was also able to determine through documents that she had lied to him over the phone when she said that following the divorce she went to live with her mother. He was able to find records that revealed that actually she went to live in an apartment in Amiens that was owned by Jean-Michel Trogneux's father. So the Trogneux family put her up in an apartment. And I don't know — I guess it's not totally strange that your father-in-law might do that. But what is strange is that you would lie about that years later when people start asking questions about your ex-husband.
The Timeline: Brigitte's Emergence as a Teacher
It's also worth noting that right around this time of their divorce — so they're officially divorced in 1987, you can assume they separated sometime before that, because to finally get your divorce stamped and done and sealed it usually takes a little longer, maybe one year if you're going really quickly — but that's the time that Brigitte Macron, the Brigitte Macron that we know, the public record Brigitte Macron, begins her very public and traceable career as a teacher. She goes and enters in 1986 at the La Providence school. Suddenly — total career change. And then this is all they want to show us: oh look, she was a teacher here and a teacher there. And of course the future love of her life, Emmanuel, was just nine years old. So it was just five more years — five more years — and then Brigitte Macron, the one that we know, will meet the love of her life.
Oh — did I say "his love of her life"? This is a good time to tell you that most of what you think you even know about Emmanuel Macron thus far — his legacy — yeah, it's just objectively not true.
Emmanuel Macron's Manufactured Rise
Emmanuel had a major hand-up in life. This guy — so private, we don't know much about him. What we do know about him is, I would say, quite sinister. It's making me think of that movie The Manchurian Candidate.
From Xavier's book: in 2020, the myth of the writer Macron was definitively debunked by a journal. They kept saying that he would write these novels, and Brigitte would talk about his passion for writing in interviews. Well, essentially they realized that nope, that isn't true. None of that is true. They created this idea of him really just because they wanted the public to believe that he was this genius, and that he therefore deserved to be suddenly in the midst as a politician — that he had had this background where he was kind of a boy genius. And like I said, that could not be further from the truth.
The reality is Emmanuel Macron's real story is more of a "fake it till you make it." As we have stressed before, not much is known about his childhood. It's weird — it just gets very strange. His mother, we now know, was in charge of the gender reassignment program at the Social Security office. His father was a psychiatrist. But according to Véronique, she had no memory of Emmanuel having been around him. His grandmother Manette, we know, was definitely involved in his childhood — she's the only one he speaks about affectionately or even relates to his childhood in his book. We also know that Grandma had a knack for pedophile-centric books. It was Grandma's thing. She liked these pedophile-centric books — she's like, "Hey, is that André Gide? That's a really cool thing. Let's talk about André Gide. Let's talk about all of these weird passages." Me and my grandchild, we share this with one another.
Like I said, we learned that he was a bit of a loner. He didn't have many friends. The people that went to school with him didn't even know what his parents did.
The Rothschild Bank and Macron's Inexplicable Promotions
Well, according to the Wall Street Journal's book The Calculated Rise of Macron, it was the Rothschild family — the Rothschild Bank — that had everything to do with his professional résumé. And interestingly enough, Xavier Poussard had discovered that the bank made an internal error in their documents when they listed Macron — who is supposed to be born in Amiens — as having instead been born in Paris. And they made this error on multiple documents. The reality is, of course, this keeps coming up: we are told in the official biography that he's born in Amiens, then we have the former mayor of Amiens who said no, he's from the Toulon area, now we have the Rothschilds reporting that he's born in Paris, and we just don't know what's real and what's false.
We do have this from the Rothschild Bank minutes — it says he is born on 21 December 1977, and they just keep making this "mistake" that he's born in Paris. But it must have been a clerical error.
Now, Emmanuel himself has never denied his closeness with the Rothschilds. In fact, he said this in 2012, and I quote: "I had a very unintelligible background. No one could understand me outside of Rothschild." And when he became the economic adviser to the Socialist president François Hollande, he said that David de Rothschild would be his protector when he got into power.
I'm going to read you this passage regarding him climbing the ladder at the Rothschild Bank, because apparently his rise made no sense to his colleagues. This is from Xavier's book:
Xavier Poussard (quoted): "Within the bank, Emmanuel Macron's progress surprised many. Sarah Haro explained that he 'had been identified as a very singular personality with a lot of contacts.' And Sophie Javari, who trained him at Rothschild & Co, reports that he 'had very high-level contacts for our files, with links to the state.' According to her, her most experienced colleagues were surprised by his 'support at the top level of the bank, notably David de Rothschild and his right-hand man François Henrot, who occasionally allowed him to bypass his immediate hierarchy.' This support enabled him to become, at the age of 32, the youngest managing partner in the bank's history — even though, according to other employees, he was a poor technician. 'Macron doesn't know much about it.' 'In meetings, we giggle.'"
Now reporting on other confidences from Rothschild & Co executives, journalist Marc Endeweld confirms the bitterness aroused by his accelerated promotion:
Marc Endeweld (quoted): "At Rothschild, he has the reputation of never having written an equation. He didn't even know what EBITDA is — the operating profit of a company. David de Rothschild had to 'violate them' to appoint him to managing partner."
The idea of a managing partner of Rothschild Bank not knowing what EBITDA stands for — I mean, I'm not a financial institution over here, but earnings before interest and tax — he didn't know what that was. And so people around Rothschild who watched his rise and were bitter about it, and knew that David de Rothschild had a hand in this — again, you can read about this in the Wall Street Journal's book, you can read about this in Marc Endeweld's book, The Ambiguous Past of Macron. People don't understand how he was just sort of elevated at this bank.
Macron's Entry into the École Nationale d'Administration
And by the way, that elevation actually took place before he even got to the Rothschild Bank. It also took place in school. So we were told he was Mozart, right? We were told that this kid just had it, he was so brilliant. Then you're going to find this other point to be quite odd.
In 2002, when he was 25 years old, Emmanuel Macron was admitted into the ENA — that's the École Nationale d'Administration, a hyper-elite French graduate program. The best way for me to explain it to English listeners: it's basically the national school of administration. Yet he failed entry into this school twice, and then he was magically admitted without having to answer the question that was asked during the oral exam — which is a component of getting into this school. This elite school, essentially you have to attend to get a high-level job as a financial executive. They just allowed him to be admitted without doing the oral exam. Like, has that ever been done before?
Then somehow he ends up at the top rankings of his class and is able to join the Inspectorate General of Finances. And his colleagues around him clearly knew that he was an idiot and that the rankings were cooked. So there was public backlash amongst the other students within his year. They literally mobilized against their fraudulent results, which then led to the Council of State having to intervene and cancel the school rankings for that year — for the first time in the school's history. For the first time in the school's history. Could you imagine? Like an MBA program — you're like, "This kid's an idiot, I don't even know how he got here," and then they release the ranking: "Actually, he's the smartest kid in the class." And then they all go, "Okay, what is going on here? Clearly this is cooked. This is completely cooked." And they get the State Council involved, and they go, "You know what? How about just no results this year."
A quick little point on that, by the way: in 2021, when Emmanuel Macron was president, he decided to essentially cancel the ENA. He's like, "Oh, we actually need more diversity in banking, so we shouldn't even have this program. This is ridiculous. We just need to have more diversity." Yeah, okay, buddy. I'm sure that's what it is. Sounds like maybe your entire career you were just being prepared for this moment — this moment of becoming the president of France — and you actually are the only thing we can verify, which is a drama student. You know how to act. You know how to act and pretend that you are the president, while there is clearly somebody behind you that has been moving you all through life.
Another odd point: when he was admitted into the Rothschild Bank in 2008, he was supposed to have publicized an order from the minister which granted him leave from compulsory civil service. For whatever reason, he was exempt from that compulsory procedure. So he didn't even have to reinstate his civil service when he then left the bank and was magically appointed right to President Hollande's team as an economic adviser. In fact, the deputy chairman of the Council of State's legal ethics body spoke out about this. He remarked that he had never seen anything like it — he had never seen someone given an exemption on this, not having to go through certain steps.
I'm sure, just like the students at the ENA had never seen someone who couldn't even get into the school, who clearly was not at the top of the class, magically be awarded and told, "Actually, that's the brightest kid in the class." They were outraged, and they should have been outraged. And the people who worked with him at Rothschild Bank were similarly outraged. This guy doesn't even know what EBITDA is. It sounds like, actually, he's an idiot when it comes to finances, and he probably could not wax poetic about anything. He is just performative.
It makes me think of the story of that politician talking about the Pyrenees — "Oh, my grandmother, she — you know, all that my great-grandparents wanted was for her to learn French, because she only spoke Pyrenean." And he's like, "That's not a language." That's why I say this reminds me of The Manchurian Candidate.
The Rothschild Family and the Culture of Silence
Now, regarding the Rothschild family, there is so much that I could say here, but I do not want this episode to get hit on YouTube. Suffice it to say, you could look up any of them — the proven ties to Jeffrey Epstein, the various pedophilic and incest scandals which abound and have surrounded this family. You could look up anything. But know that any journalist who begins to write about this in France has to face anti-Semitism charges. God forbid you actually report on facts pertaining to the Rothschild family and their empire.
What we'll do instead here is leave you with what Xavier Poussard said, because I think he summed it up quite brilliantly regarding the Rothschilds. He wrote:
Xavier Poussard (quoted): "Notoriously, the Rothschilds' longevity and preservation of their fortune are based on an extensive practice of endogamy and alliances between cousins — essentially interbreeding. At a conference at the Museum of Art History, Natalie Reams, David de Rothschild's cousin, went further, declaring: 'A very common practice in such families — vice is nice, but incest is best, because it stays in the family. We are simply raised to be silent so that nothing comes out. We are brought up with this weight to make sure — and it works — that we never speak out.'"
Xavier concludes by saying — words that echo what we encountered throughout our investigation of Brigitte — "a family cloistered in silence, zealous to protect a family secret that has become a state affair."
And I am telling you, on that closing chapter regarding the Rothschilds and the scandals abound — including scandals that pertain to David de Rothschild — you will want to pick up Xavier Poussard's book, Becoming Brigitte, because what I have given you thus far is truly the tip of the iceberg. I cannot explain to you how many pedophile scandals I have removed from this podcast, because I'm on YouTube and I have to make this as rated G as I possibly can.
It cannot continually be the case that these are all just coincidences. There are just way too many coincidences adding up. You can't play the "all my homies are pedophiles and trans except for me" card. I don't know — I just would feel a little bit weird about that. If you just had an individual in your life and you're like, "I swear, everyone around me is involved in this, but it's not me" — that's kind of what Emmanuel Macron is trying to sell to us right now. Everyone's involved in all this stuff, but not me.
I now look at him, having come out of that book, and I think he's an idiot. He's just a puppet, and he has been groomed from the time that he was a child. But groomed by who? Who is his father? If people — if he doesn't have this relationship with Jean-Michel — and we found out all throughout this affair that he doesn't really seem to have close relations with his parents, or these doctors perhaps — I don't know. You can ask pointed questions to them, but they don't want to answer any of these questions, because they know that we have figured out the game. And the game is that you have to be very precise in how you ask them questions, because they can change identities and they can change names. The family has this capacity.
Why Xavier Poussard Has Not Been Sued
So if you are wondering the answer to why it is that Xavier Poussard has never been sued by the Macron family — what is it exactly that saved Xavier Poussard, whereas the women Natacha Rey and Amandine Roy, who did wonderful work, ended up getting sued for little mistakes — the answer is actually kind of funny, because it kind of boils down to the differences between men and women.
I would say that women first and foremost tend to be more intuitive. We are more intuitive. We go with our guts. I say this all the time to my husband: "This person just gives me a bad vibe. I don't trust this person." I tend to go with my gut a lot more. I do believe that we have God's intuition, especially when it comes to our children. But men tend to be a bit more technical — they will just need to mathematically prove something to be sure about something. They'll question things and maybe not go with their gut all the time.
And so that is really what happened with Natacha Rey and Xavier Poussard. Xavier Poussard used a technology — I mentioned it to you on last week's episode — but I want to demonstrate that technology for you. Because when he said it to me, my girl brain just sort of went, "Okay, I'm not into AI, I'm not into tech." But then when he explained to me that this technology, known as Face++, is basically what the World Economic Forum has listed amongst its 11 smartest companies — it is headquartered in Beijing, China, as I mentioned to you, it is what China uses as their software for facial recognition — and when he showed me how accurate it is, I was positively shocked. Genuinely shocked, amazed, and then terrified about the direction of the world when you think about these globalists who I believe want to turn us into these technological slaves, and recognizing that this artificial intelligence is bang-on accurate.
So yes — it's valued at $1 billion. From the WEF website, it tells us that it was founded in 2011, and it is a leader in machine visual artificial intelligence and face recognition systems.
Face++ Technology and Its Accuracy
So I want to show you, just as he was showing me this technology and I was kind of testing it to see if it could get something wrong — just how accurate it could be — because we now live in an age of plastic surgery. Women can literally change their faces, and the fact that this technology is still able to process who that person is is amazing to me.
Here's an example — this is also featured in his book. I want to point out Kim Basinger there on the right, who has modified her face a lot. It still knows — it is looking and it is saying, "Yeah, no, that's still Kim Basinger." And it comes back with a percentage. It's telling you essentially: you get into the 75% range, you get above 70%, and it is very high — yes, we are certain that that is her. And it is her. It is accurately her.
I'm also going to show you that it is able, even with a childhood photo — and even though that might make it lower, you may not get into the 70% range, you may get into the high 60% range — it is still able to tell you that yes, this is the correct person. So you're seeing here Shirley Temple on the bottom there, Hillary Clinton — her face really hasn't changed much from the time that she was a child — with 78% confidence. On the top there, of course, you've got Princess Diana, you've got the Queen. It's able to come back and say to you, despite all of this time and age, that this is the same person. Which is incredible.
Like I said, then here — this is the reason, by the way, which to me — if I had to place a bet on a horse, I would have bet on Natacha Rey and her instincts. When she first saw that photo of André Loiseau at his wedding, and then she found out that he had a cousin who was named Jean-Louis — okay, so just looking at this photo on the left, there is the wedding photo, obviously the groom. On the right there is his cousin, that's Jean-Louis. So these are — I would have thought the same person. So she looked at this photo and she's like, "I actually think that the person in the photo is this guy, and I think that they're playing us." And if I had just looked at these photos and trusted my own eyes, I would have totally co-signed what Natacha Rey said — that looks to be the exact same person.
But Xavier Poussard instead ran these two photos through his technology, and it told him no. It said it's not the same person. In Face++, it came back 52% — low. So he said, "Okay, I must be missing something. The technology is telling me that these are two different people." And they look so much alike — these first cousins look a lot alike — but the technology picked it up. And of course we then learned, as we covered two days ago, that it actually was a different person — that Jean-Louis Loiseau was a first cousin. He was not in fact the same person that was pictured there. Which is the reason that she got sued for defamation.
Again — not attacking the substance of her claims, not attacking whether or not Brigitte had transitioned from Jean-Michel Trogneux, but rather attacking an error that is going to happen as you're investigating a story when people are refusing to give you any answers, and in many times intentionally sending you down the wrong path.
Face++ Applied to Brigitte Macron's Photos
So regarding Brigitte Macron, who has now changed her face — as we learned, we know that she's seeing this doctor, she's getting feminization surgery — this is a good way to look at it. Plus she's now in her 80s, and we've got only pictures from her childhood, only pictures of Jean-Michel Trogneux from his childhood. When you compare this with the tech, the tech returns this way: it tells us that this is a high probability. And this is with dentures — different teeth. It is telling us that this is this boy in this school photo. It is returning from normal to high, highest being there at 17.3%, and that's just with the school photo and with years of work. We're not even comparing this to the school photos when she still had the teeth that you see there on the left-hand side — when Brigitte still had her original teeth. This is with a ton of work being done by the magician to the transgender community — the guy that can make you a woman, who looks at women like they're clay. And it is still certain that that little boy became Brigitte Macron.
It is also certain that the woman in the wedding photo — the more aged Brigitte Trogneux who married André Loiseau — is not the First Lady Brigitte Macron that we know today. It is returning low probability that these are the same people.
What's going on here? What do you mean it's returning low probability? This maybe gives us the answer to why she will not answer, why she will not join a lawsuit and assert formally by just saying, "That is me in the photo." She will not answer my questions — as we've had our legal team go out and we have said, we don't want to lie, just like Xavier. We're not here in the business to spread lies. It doesn't help me. It doesn't make my audience want to come back to my show when I get busted intentionally lying and defaming someone for the sheer sport of it. Help me help you, Brigitte. Is this you in the wedding photo? She doesn't want to answer that question.
Well, if we turn to AI technology, the reason why she's not answering that question is because it's not her in the photo. That is somebody else. That somebody else went by the name Brigitte Trogneux. That's very interesting. Jean-Michel Trogneux at that wedding — we're not allowed to see any photos of him at that wedding, because apparently all photos have been destroyed, other than two lingering photos of André Loiseau. And same for Brigitte Trogneux — we are just finding that, despite all photos that should be made available, we can't even get our hands on school photos. They don't want to give them up. Nothing exists. It's just all been deleted. A whole person just got deleted.
And regarding the communion photo, which we instantly looked at and said it looks nothing like the First Lady — the text says no. Again, low. Nope. Not happening. Sorry. Ain't her.
So what do we discern from that? What we discern from that is that the photos that Mimi Marchand — Best Image agency, Mimi Marchand, who's up with the gangsters doing work making sure that pedophile scandals don't hit the press, disgusting pedophile scandals — she's stopping that from hitting the press. She's the popess of celebrity media. Nothing gets printed without her say-so. The person that documentary filmmakers have to go through to get any images of the First Lady. And then when they get these images, there are a few and far between — what, three entered into the public arena of her childhood? All of those photos — one or two from her childhood, and one from her alleged marriage — well, Chinese tech software, sanctioned by the WEF as the best in the game, is telling us that that is not the current First Lady of France.
What are we to make of that? What are we to make of that? The silence, the intimidation techniques, going after people for taxes, sending the figurative French IRS to go after people when they can't get them on defamation, going after trying to figure out who's funding people, us having had our interview with Xavier Poussard taken down from YouTube for weird reasons, demanding censorship, accusing Xavier Poussard of anti-Semitism for an article that he wrote — which had nothing to do, by the way, with anything pertaining to Brigitte Macron. It was an article he wrote five years ago about who controls all the media in France. They're coming after him for anti-Semitism. He didn't even say these people are Jewish. He just wrote the names of the people who have power in the media in France. They're looking for anything — as opposed to just showing us photos of your life married to André Loiseau. Are you going to tell us that those have similarly also been destroyed?
Owens's Conclusion on Brigitte Macron's Identity
Or are we to make of this that the person living in the Élysée Palace — the person who definitively groomed the president, who actually has not been so honest about his background, who is not the genius virtuoso that has been presented to the public — Brigitte Macron perhaps is Jean-Michel Trogneux? Jean-Michel Trogneux, who during a transition — the picture that I'm seeing right now — and I'm happy to correct it again, because I know you guys are watching at the Élysée Palace: please just answer our 21 questions. Because the picture that I'm getting from all of this — and again, we have not even gotten to Xavier Poussard's explosive interview — is that something happened in the 80s. Something happened in the mid-70s and the 80s. Véronique Dru. Jean-Michel Trogneux. Your reappearance in 1986 as a teacher. The lies that you have told. Sexy Claudia Schiffer — she didn't exist then. I don't see a woman with legs so irresistible that the young boys just couldn't wait. Oh my God, look at that. What are you talking about? Who sanctioned these lies in the press?
Who are you really? And what is your relationship to Emmanuel Macron? What is Emmanuel Macron's relationship to you? What is the relationship between Emmanuel Macron and Jean-Jacques? It's not feeling like a nephew to me. I don't know — something feels off there when I look at that picture. Something feels very wrong there.
Of course, it's so simple to answer these questions, and yet you refuse to. You go so far as to try to intimidate an American journalist. And I've got to tell you — it doesn't make you look anything but extremely guilty. That's what I will say about that topic.
Audience Comments
I'm now going to get into a few of your comments.
This person, Dehend, writes: "Candace, shame on you for sending me down this rabbit hole with you for truth, because now I'm all in. Something is definitely fishy about Mr. First Gentleman Brigitte Macron. The gig is up."
I agree.
Christine writes: "Thank you, Candace, for who you are and all that you do."
Chris writes: "You may remember me from earlier during the year for finding a beautiful Bible on the ground while walking my dog. I attended my first Catholic mass this morning and wanted to share. Thanks for helping me find Christ. God bless you." Such an amazing, amazing story.
Jessica Wickers writes: "I am loving these investigative series. Your thoroughness is amazing. With baby number four on the way and given your previous hospital experiences, are you planning a home birth or are you working with a midwife?" I am — I would be very happy if I had my baby at home. My husband won't let me plan that. He's like, "Everything's been smooth, you have very easy pregnancies, and we've had good births." I did have one very bad hospital experience and we ended up checking my baby out of there — that was really more over vaccines and medicine rather than my actual birth experience. And so he doesn't want to switch up the formula. We're at odds there. But I would love to give birth at home, so I may just go into labor and not tell him until the baby's just about to come out.
Sis Holiday writes: "Point of view: me asking everyone in my life, 'Did you know the president of France's wife is a man?'" Yeah. You know what's interesting is — now you go back. When I first got into the story and I announced it on my previous podcast, the journalists that instantly rushed to call it insane — those are people that you should be very concerned about. I call out Bari Weiss all the time because she wrote a whole article about me. People were trying to use Sigmund Freud psychology to be like, "Oh, she must be having a mental breakdown." Could you imagine — trying to assign hysteria to someone who's looking into a story of perversion and pedophilia and grooming? What does that tell you about our mainstream media apparatus? It should tell you that they do not work for the people. They work to protect the state and whoever is running the state.
And this is a story that is global. I think there are too many similarities between the upbringing of Emmanuel Macron and, as we talked about, the upbringing of Kamala Harris, the upbringing of Barack Obama — these people being raised by their grandparents at a time when we know that the MKUltra program was running. And there is something very, very wrong there. Too many comparisons is what I would say.
Luke writes: "Dig, dig, and dig. Find out who is hiding behind this person. 47 versus a 14-year-old — not okay. What is going on with the elites? This is bad." She was — you meant to say 37 — sorry, she was 39. He was 14.
Christian Foron writes: "Our sincere salutation to Emmanuel Macron, Brigitte Macron, Jean-Michel Trogneux, Lilian de Rothschild, Pédophine Loiseau, and JJ Trogneux, who are all one way or another with us tonight." Indeed they are.
I'm hearing rumors that Emmanuel Macron is even looking at trying to hire people in public relations to deal with the fracturing of his image. And Tiphaine is quiet. I've got a lot of questions about her — the only child that seems to really speak out. And it's interesting because, like I said, we don't know what happened to Brigitte Trogneux, but we know that whatever did happen to the real Brigitte Trogneux, Tiphaine would have been too young to remember her. So I find that to be of some interest.
And that's why we have created a timeline, which we should share with you all, so that you can just capture the movements — a timeline of Brigitte Trogneux, a timeline of Jean-Michel Trogneux, sort of like the wiping and the disappearing of them both, the reemergence of Brigitte Loiseau, or later to be Macron. It's just too perfect of a story when you start to look at it.