Candace Owens presents Episode 4 of her "Becoming Brigitte" series, focusing on Jean-Michel Trogneux
Candace Owens hosts a solo episode examining the identity of Brigitte Macron, First Lady of France.
Summary
Candace Owens continues her multi-part investigative series into the identity of Brigitte Macron, focusing this episode on Jean-Michel Trogneux — Brigitte's brother, whose birthday falls on the day of recording. Owens argues that Jean-Michel Trogneux and Brigitte Macron are the same person, supported by facial recognition software she says is ranked number one by the World Economic Forum and used by researcher Xavier Pussard. She presents a detailed timeline of Jean-Michel Trogneux's documented life, noting that photographic evidence of him effectively disappears at the same point in time that Brigitte Trogneux emerges as a teacher and later as the wife of Emmanuel Macron. Owens also highlights a 1977 television interview with a transgender individual named "Véronique," arguing that the voice, speech patterns, and cultural references in that interview match those of Brigitte Macron. She further examines the network surrounding the Macrons — including Alexandre Benalla, Mimi Marchand, and Emmanuel Macron's mother — arguing that this network has the means and motive to facilitate an identity change. The episode concludes with a brief audience Q&A in which Owens reads and responds to viewer comments, including references to her earlier USS Liberty episode and a note that Jean-Michel Trogneux shares a birthday with Alex Jones.
Key Takeaways
FULL TRANSCRIPT
Introduction and Birthday Framing
Candace Owens: Happy birthday to you — yes, today is Jean-Michel Trogneux's birthday. In other words, happy birthday Brigitte Macron, First Lady of France. We are so excited to get into this, to bring to audiences who exactly Jean-Michel Trogneux is and where he is. It's time to start that part of this series. Welcome back to our series, Becoming Brigitte.
Recap of the Macron Family Chart
Okay, some things to recap. I was so frustrated at the end of the last episode because so many of you had commented — Candace, it's time for you to create a family chart — and we had already created a family chart. We just got so busy that I forgot to show it to you on the show. I completely dropped the ball there, and I apologize. Of course, when we are doing these sorts of series — like the Kamala series and now as we look at this Brigitte series — there are so many names it does become confusing, and it's good to slow it down and be able to visualize who and what exactly it is that we are talking about.
So let's go backwards and start there. I am showing you the Emmanuel Macron family chart. These are — and I'm saying "allegedly" here because I have tons of questions as we get deeper into the story — but his parents, Jean-Michel Macron, and then you have Françoise Noguès. Obviously we spoke a lot last week particularly about Germaine Noguès, who he refers to affectionately as "Manette." She's the one who shared this love of pedophile-centric books with her grandson. She is, as we mentioned last week, the only family member that he includes in his childhood stories throughout his autobiography, which is entitled Revolution.
So I wanted to get over that. And then of course, like I said, his mother — what we described in last week's episode — was that Dr. Françoise Noguès, his mother, when she was first introduced to the world, was introduced as a pediatrician who helped out in some capacity at the Social Security office. And then we had this huge bombshell in the last episode where we learned that by "Social Security work," they forgot to include the fact that she helps transgender and intersex people secure new identities. That was a major, major bit. It's explosive and it's important for you to remember that as we go along, because that means that Macron's immediate family was involved in helping people who had gender issues to become someone else. In other words, they were facilitating the issuing of real government IDs which allowed people to legally shed themselves of their former identities and their true biological sex.
We have to wake up to the fact that that is the reality of the world that we live in today. So what are the implications of that? Let's just pause there. What are the implications of — if I decide, okay, I'm Candace Owens, but I feel like actually I was born a man, and so I'm going to change my name to Jean-Michel Trogneux — and then someone comes out and says Candace Owens is this person, can I then sue them for defamation for saying that I'm Candace Owens if I've legally changed my name to Jean-Michel Trogneux? Could that become the basis of a defamation lawsuit? If you are able to shed your identity, I want you to think about that as we keep going throughout this series. It's very important to remember that his mother was dealing with this in the Social Security office.
I should also add here that thereafter, shockingly, in a very rare interview his mother gave to a journalist named Gaëlle Chalov, who was writing a biography about the Macron couple — the biography was entitled Just the Two of Us — she spoke with his mother, and his mother said something very strange. She said, and I quote: "For me, Brigitte is not a daughter-in-law." Excuse me? What does that mean? Brigitte is married to your son. She's been married to your son for a very long time. She fell in love with your son when your son was 14 years old. What do you mean, to me she is not a daughter-in-law? What is the implication of that? What else could she be? What else could the First Lady be to you? So we'll just leave that there.
The Brigitte Macron Family Chart
Okay, now let's take a look at Brigitte Macron's family chart. So you have Brigitte, who allegedly was married for 32 years to this man André André André Louis Auzièreèreère, and they allegedly had three children: Laurence Auzière, Sébastien Auzière, and Tiphaine Auzière.
Now it's important to remember, which we touched upon last episode, that the First Lady just routinely gets things wrong in her interviews. She gets the date wrong from when her sister Marie-Véronique died. She got the date very wrong from when her alleged niece died. And we're starting to think of this as more of a strategy than anything else — it's not just forgetting dates, it's because you're trying to confuse the public. A big indication of that was Tiphaine, her daughter, getting both the date and the manner of her father's burial wrong in Paris Match magazine. How is that possible?
Remember we talked about this — the very weird mystery regarding this André André André Louis Auzièreèreère character. We learned from his first cousin, a man named Jean-André André Louis Auzièreèreère, and that's where it got really confusing for some people. There is a first cousin, and that first cousin described that he had sued the journalist for misidentifying him in the wedding photo. That first cousin then got upset because the Élysée Palace kind of played him into suing her for defamation, pretending they were going to join the suit, but then Brigitte Macron refused to simply say, "Bring that picture back up — yeah, that's me in the wedding photo." She refused to do this and just kind of backed out. So he wasn't happy with this. The Auzières were not happy. He felt used by the Élysée Palace.
He opens up to a journalist and tells us some really strange things about his cousin's burial, about his cousin's funeral, about his cousin's cremation — mainly the strangest thing being that the Élysée Palace was involved. They wanted to see to it that this funeral was executed like a thief in the night. They did not want the public to learn about this, and they saw it over the finish line. And yet despite this, Brigitte Macron did not attend the funeral of her alleged ex-husband of 32 years, the alleged father of her children. We want to make sure he's buried, okay, but we are not going to show up — neither me nor the president are going to show up. And then Tiphaine is going to make up what a massive mistake in Paris Match and say, "I buried my father on December 24th," and then we learned no, he was actually cremated on December 28th, and it was a year prior. And this is the photo you use because everything was destroyed. That's crazy.
Yes — remember that we learned this information not from a conspiracy theorist. We learned this from the cousin, Jean-André André Louis Auzièreèreère, the cousin of André, the one who successfully sued Natacha Rey for defamation because she wrongly assumed that it was him in the wedding photo. What we do know, and we confirmed last episode, is that this man — we can show you his obituary photo because no other photos of him exist, from the wedding photo to this — his whole life has been destroyed. What we can tell you is that he did in fact exist. They lied about where he worked, what bank he worked at. Again, tons of little lies to send people down rabbit holes so they can make a mistake. But what we can't tell you is what exactly happened to him. We cannot ascertain what happened to him based on the testimony of his first cousin, because it depends on whether or not you believe his partner — the woman who was at his funeral, who claimed that she found tickets to Africa in his pocket and that he had emptied all of his bank accounts — or whether you believe the journalist from Paris Match who wrote that André actually spent the last days of his life in a psychiatric ward being guarded by none other than Alexandre Benalla.
Alexandre Benalla and the Macron Network
Now we've got to talk about this guy, because he's important. He's come up a couple of times and we should dig deep into why that particular allegation matters. It's interesting that despite the fact that they love to sue people, they never went after that journalist who claimed that Alexandre Benalla — the former Deputy Chief of Staff to Emmanuel Macron — was guarding, for whatever reason, a psychiatric ward door for André. We know for a fact that the Élysée Palace was involved at the very least in his funeral, and this journalist put that out there. So I think we should explore that. We should talk about Alexandre Benalla, because that is not a subtle mention from a journalist.
We had first mentioned Alexandre Benalla in the introductory episode when we told you about this — I don't know how to describe it — almost a syndicate of pedophiles that Emmanuel Macron keeps landing himself around. We mentioned Olivier Duhamel, who was the man accused by his stepdaughter of having molested her twin brother when he was 13 or 14 years old. She wrote this in a book, and because the statute of limitations had passed he was never brought to justice, but he admitted that it was true — that he did in fact sexually abuse his teenage son. Well, one of the things he helped with — because he was so close with Emmanuel Macron — was when Macron landed himself in hot water over what has come to be known in France as the Benalla Affair.
Alexandre Benalla, the Deputy Chief of Staff — and now for whatever reason, like I said, we have no idea why this journalist mentioned it, but said Alexandre Benalla was guarding the psychiatric ward. So I'm going to show you Alexandre Benalla again so that you can get him into your mind. Despite being extremely young — he is today only 33 years old — he has quite a remarkable professional résumé.
When Emmanuel Macron was running for president, Alexandre Benalla was just 25 years old and he served the candidate as his security officer. He was the head of his security. Once Emmanuel Macron got elected, he then made Alexandre Benalla his Deputy Chief of Staff — a huge position. Could you imagine? Twenty-five years old and you're going into the Élysée Palace. It was then later discovered that these two had an incredibly close relationship — so close that Emmanuel took him on a ski trip with him and his family, not as security, but like you're a part of the family. And even closer than that, Emmanuel Macron allowed Alexandre Benalla, this 25- or 26-year-old kid essentially, to move into the National Palace of the French Republic. He was living at the Palais de l'Alma. That is shocking. He had residency there.
So what's going on here? Just imagine you're 26 and you're living in a palace. I'm thinking he must have provided some incredible security to the president. He must have done the president some solids. When you dig into his past, you learn that back when Benalla was 23 years old he had been accused and then subsequently acquitted of violence against a woman — in so far that she said she was rendered incapacitated to work — but as I said he was acquitted, and then he became the head of Emmanuel Macron's security team.
Then when Macron was president, a massive scandal broke — which came to be known as the Benalla Affair — in 2018, when his Deputy Chief of Staff was actually caught on camera dressed as a police officer beating protesters in the streets of Paris. Le Monde — I told you, that's like the French New York Times — broke the story. They had footage of him. It was undoubtedly Benalla impersonating a police officer and beating a young protester in the streets. And then a second video emerged, which was published on Twitter, which showed Benalla grabbing a female protester by the neck and dragging her away.
Let's actually show you some of that footage, just to make you understand what you are looking at — a chief of staff of a president beating up a protester. He's going to come on in there in police uniform.
Just totally normal Chief of Staff stuff, right? That's just what everybody's chief of staff is doing all around the world.
It would later be discovered, as people began investigating the story more and more, that three police officers provided him with surveillance footage — surveillance footage that had not yet been made available to the public — essentially allowing him to prepare his defense. Which signals to us that they've got ties with the police officers, clearly, otherwise he wouldn't have been given the uniform to wear as he pretended to be a police officer that day.
Now, President Macron at the time of this attack was in Australia. He seemed incredibly reluctant to let go of his Deputy Chief or to speak about the matter in any capacity publicly. And it seems that Emmanuel Macron might have been so concerned about this that he tried to help Alexander out. Now, why am I making that assumption? Again, this is an assumption, not a fact. But what is a fact is that when Alexandre Benalla was being interviewed about the scandal, none other than Mimi Marchand was in the room to assist him in speaking to the press. Mimi Marchand — yes, the celebrity "popess" of the press, who could get anything in the press, anything taken out of the press. A woman who had the capacity to get the press to cover up pedophilia charges for her friends.
Eventually, as the scandal completely engulfed the Élysée Palace, they did in fact have to move to dismiss Benalla — on paper, at least. I want to be clear: on paper he was released. Because then another scandal emerged. It would later be discovered that a few months later they realized they had not actually removed his diplomatic passports, and despite being seemingly fired, several months later he used those diplomatic passports to travel to meet with African leaders, including the president of Chad, a man named Idriss Déby. Now for people watching this from Africa, you're looking at this going — didn't he die a few years later in one of those scenarios where suddenly a group of rebels rises up and kills the president? Yes, that's what happened to that man in Chad. But I'm sure it was totally organic and people were really unhappy in the streets and the West had nothing to do with it.
Nonetheless, Alexandre Benalla was meeting with this man on diplomatic passports after he had been fired. So that was a second part of the scandal. It then emerged that while he was working for Macron, Alexandre Benalla — this 26-year-old, palace-living king — had actually contracted financial ties with two Russian oligarchs who were said to be members of the Russian mafia. Oopsies. Again, I guess everyone around Emmanuel Macron is accused of being either a criminal or a pedophile, and Macron is always just so innocent in the pit. It just keeps happening to them. They're trying to work with good people, guys. They're really trying to surround themselves with good people. I swear it's everyone around them — it's just not them.
The Macron Syndicate
I think we should actually take a look at this extraordinary syndicate that is emerging around them, because we've covered a lot of these people. So Mimi Marchand — obviously the "popess" up there on the left of the French media. We know she's been indicted in dirt, she's been kicked out for extortion, you name it, she's been accused of it. A woman who we understand had the capacity — the only person that people had to go through to get photos of the First Lady's past. She owns Best Image. And you're telling me this is the only person who can produce images from Brigitte Macron's past before she became a professor or a teacher? Seems a little suspect.
Then below her we have Bernard Arnault, the richest man in the world because he controls LVMH. We mentioned his son-in-law Xavier Niel, who was the go-between between Mimi Marchand and the first couple. But I want you to also know that LVMH owns Paris Match. So that's where she's putting all of these doctored, airbrushed images of Brigitte so that everyone thinks she's young and irresistibly attractive.
Then we'll jump up to the right corner — we mentioned Nicolas Ghesquière, who is the person dressing the First Lady, also under the LVMH empire. The one who is just putting transgender people everywhere he can. You should just Google Nicolas Ghesquière in your spare time because we didn't even scratch the surface in terms of how dedicated he is to the trans cause — bringing all these trans models, putting them on the runway, trying to trans everything. But I'm sure Brigitte Macron is exactly who she says she is and just, I don't know, he just wants to dress Brigitte Macron for whatever reason.
And then of course, as we mentioned, Emmanuel Macron's mother Françoise Noguès, whose work in trying to get individuals who suffer from identity issues new identities — and this is legal, this is legal now. And then we have there on the bottom, who we just discussed, Alexandre Benalla.
So just piece all that together — with forgery, extortion, and most importantly with access to a woman who can facilitate the changing of identities. It is not enough for any person investigating this case to ask questions like, "Is this Brigitte Trogneux in the wedding photo?" You'll notice we didn't ask that question when my legal team got involved. We didn't say, "Is this Brigitte Trogneux in the wedding photo?" We had to instead ask something more specific: "Is this the current First Lady of France, Brigitte Macron, pictured here in this wedding photo?" And that's when the couple gets real quiet. They don't want to answer those questions.
Do you guys get what I'm getting at here? Because we can confirm that that is indeed a photo of a woman named Brigitte Trogneux in that wedding photo. Where that Brigitte is, we cannot confirm, because the First Lady refuses to answer. She has a mother-in-law who helps transgender people get new identities. So you have to essentially understand that you can just take somebody's name, you can become somebody else at a moment's notice.
Jean-Michel Trogneux: The Timeline
Now legally, when you become transgender — okay, this brings us to Jean-Michel Trogneux. We obviously have to discuss him. This is Brigitte Trogneux's brother. Today is his birthday. Happy birthday, Jean-Michel Trogneux.
It's really important that we learn about him — a man who was so close to his sister Brigitte Trogneux that she made him the best man at her wedding, but then he was completely missing from mention when First Lady Brigitte Macron came into power. It seemed to be purposeful to allow this person to fall through the cracks, despite all of the stuff being written about her family and where she came from. There was no mention of Jean-Michel Trogneux. That was the dog that was not barking. We're going to talk about him. We're going to allow that dog to bark.
All right, let's speak about Jean-Michel Trogneux. This has been trending in France. This has been explosive. Everybody knows something's going on here, but the English-speaking world did not understand what was happening. And there are a lot of questions even in the French-speaking world — they don't understand why it is that Xavier Pussard has not been sued for defamation but Natacha Rey has. What is the difference?
Xavier Pussard was always very clear with me that his major breakthrough came thanks to the work of Natacha Rey. She came to him and first said, "This is Jean-Michel Trogneux — I've been working on this." So where did she fumble the ball and where did he not fumble the ball? And this is where it gets really interesting, and it is why it was so important for me to slow that down for you — that we are talking about two different individuals: Jean-Michel Trogneux and his sister Brigitte Trogneux.
What you should know about Jean-Michel Trogneux is that he was born on February 11th, 1945. And regarding his existence, there can be no question. In fact, it is a stark contrast to trying to look into Brigitte Trogneux. Unlike his sister Brigitte Trogneux — who, like her husband, appears to have nearly every trace of her existence magically wiped and destroyed — you cannot get your hands on documents. In fact, Brigitte Trogneux, the person who's claiming to be in the Élysée Palace as Brigitte Macron — you'd think it would be very easy to get school pictures of her. You can't get them. Xavier Pussard has gone through court processes in order to get his hands on a yearbook that should be supplied by law. She went to Sacré-Cœur — I hope I'm saying that correctly in French — and they're supposed to give you the yearbook so you can look at a picture. Despite this, the school is refusing to do that.
Now why would a school refuse to give you a photo of the First Lady growing up? Why can't we see pictures of the First Lady in yearbooks that are in existence? Why can't we see her in elementary school, in middle school, in high school? Why is it that every trace of Brigitte Trogneux's existence is impossible to garner?
And it was also difficult, but not impossible, to garner information about Jean-Michel Trogneux. We were able to piece together a very clear timeline of his existence until he kind of magically falls off a cliff.
So we will walk you through this timeline. Jean-Michel Trogneux, born in 1945. We then know that he begins attending a Jesuit Academy. We have multiple photos of him at a Jesuit Academy, and I'm going to show you one of them. If you look there on the far right bottom, you will see that that is Jean-Michel Trogneux. And like I said, I'm going to save some of the photos that we have because Xavier Pussard is going to be our next episode — that interview — and what he worked to get his hands on is explosive, and I do not want to ruin that for him.
Jumping back into our timeline: in 1953, his little sister Brigitte Trogneux was born. Then we know, like I said, that he continued to attend that Jesuit Academy. Then we have that famous 1944 family picture which Best Image released to the documentary maker who felt like she was being treated like she was under interrogation by the Élysée Palace. She was able to get her hands on that family picture.
1955 to 1956 — he's back at school again. We will have those class photos available for you in Xavier's interview, in our sit-down, which we will be releasing next.
In 1960, Brigitte and Jean-Michel Trogneux's sister Marie-Véronique Trogneux dies in a car accident with her husband Paul Farsy on February 24th. Their daughter Natalie, five months old at the time, survives and goes on to marry a man named Richard, and they have two daughters.
In 1963, the public is then given a photo of what we are told is the real Brigitte Trogneux at Communion. We note that this does not look like the current First Lady, and the current First Lady has thus far to this day declined to answer my question about whether or not — not if it's Brigitte Trogneux in the photo, but whether or not it's her in the photo. Important differentiation.
In 1963, Jean-Michel Trogneux lived in Algiers, Algeria, in February. So he was 18 years old. This is a highly unusual thing, as Xavier told me, because this was just after the bloody war of independence — Algeria getting their independence from France — and he says at this time no Frenchman went to Algeria unless they were Communists. But we know that he was there because there was documentation available.
And we are keen suddenly to get a photo of him around this time, because now we're not talking about kid photos — which seems to be the only thing Brigitte Macron wants to release, a very small amount, a total of what, three photos? She doesn't want to release any older photos until suddenly Brigitte Macron is a professor. We're just kind of missing these important years of her life which would allow us to see the face sort of mutate over time.
This next photo — which I'm not going to show you because it is explosive and it took Xavier Pussard years to get — he gets his hands on a photo of Jean-Michel Trogneux who is enrolled in the ESTP school, which is a French engineering school. That becomes the last verified photo that we have on record. But I want you to note: he is 18 at this time. You take any person, you take a photo of them when they're 18, and it is very hard to say that you were expecting this person to look majorly different decades on from that, because you are a young adult.
Jumping back into this timeline, we then know that the real Brigitte Trogneux marries André André André Louis Auzièreèreère, becoming Brigitte Auzière. We have a wedding announcement, we have a wedding photo — it actually happened. And that is the photo which Natacha Rey made an unfortunate and totally understandable mistake regarding.
And then, like I told you, for whatever reason Jean-Michel Trogneux photographically disappears. He disappears. And then this amazing thing happens.
The 1977 Television Interview
In 1977, when people started recognizing that their First Lady — something about the story didn't make sense — when people began first speaking about their suspicions that they were looking at a transitioned man, for many reasons they were able to dig up an interview from 1977.
It's a person who says that they have transitioned and are living as a woman named Véronique. Now for my English listeners, this is going to be a bit confusing, so I'm going to describe to you why this was so explosive. Every person that speaks — you can transition your name, you can try to speak in a different tone, but you have ticks. Things that you say that you don't even recognize that you say. Words that you might rely on. And for First Lady Macron, that tick — so to speak — is she says "that is to say." That is to say. Some people might say "like" — I was going to, like, the store. Her tick is "that is to say, that is to say."
So we have this individual who appears — does not show their face, it's shadowed — on this talk show in 1977, says their name is Véronique, and says that they have transitioned. And the person has the exact same voice as the current First Lady of France, and the same tick. And of course, at the time that the First Lady was doing all these interviews, she never thought the public was going to dig up this old interview of this transgender individual on a talk show saying "that is to say, that is to say" over and over again.
So I'm going to play a little bit of this interview. Of course it is in French, so this will mean nothing to English listeners, but then I'm going to read you the transcript because there are some other important coincidences.
Now, essentially someone in the chat here just said, "That's her voice." But also someone said in the chat that you could refer to this as a voice footprint. That's a perfect way to say it — it's a voice footprint. There are things that you just can't rinse yourself of. But also, even when you transform your identity, you still have an identity. You still have interests that don't magically go away if you change your name.
This is why I'm going to tell you what she says in the transcript. If I'm Candace Owens, even if I change my name to Jean-Michel Trogneux, it doesn't transform my interests. I love Italian food — I'm not going to suddenly not like Italian food because I become Jean-Michel Trogneux. I'm not going to suddenly not be interested in the Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds case because I changed my name legally to Jean-Michel Trogneux.
And so this interview was explosive when it was released because of things that Véronique said. So I'm going to pull up the transcript for you in English and read you what this is translating into.
So the interviewer asks — he says to the audience, "I can only guarantee the authenticity of Véronique's testimony." Then: "Véronique, I'd like to know if when you had this operation — which is the one you've had — was it a difficult moment for you, or was it just the culmination of something that had happened before?"
Véronique says: "I don't think there's any transformation, because the psyche is already feminine and the individual — in this case, me — is already prepared for this kind of mutation, out of necessity, in the sense that we feel like women and we merely normalize a situation. There's no transfer, there's normalization."
The interviewer says: "So you're completely a woman. How long ago did you have the operation?"
Interestingly enough, she doesn't answer that part of the question about when she had the operation, but she goes on and answers: "I don't really like the words 'completely a woman.' In other words, we become a kind of woman who can copulate but cannot procreate — hence the legal problems we'll be talking about later. In other words, integration goes smoothly on an individual level. They only exist on a social level."
So already she's starting to speak about this trouble that we know Emmanuel Macron's mother is going to concern herself with — which is, okay, there are these legal problems with who we identify with, and we know we're women, but we have these legal hoops and barriers. And this is why I'm breaking and telling my story, because we have to change this, we have to be able to change this.
The interviewer says: "You have a job that we're not going to reveal here. Let's just say it's a job that's about the public."
Véronique responds: "That's right. I'm a craftsman. I have regular contact with the public. I'm in close contact with customers. I don't have any problems. I used to, because I had a phenotypic gender — meaning an ambiguous appearance. They took me for what I wasn't — a homosexual — which wasn't the case either in my behavior or in my way of thinking. But unfortunately this image resulted in non-integration."
And then: "I normalized a situation for my integration, and I live very legally and honorably. For civil status purposes, it is possible to change your first name to an ambiguous one. This is very important because it enables integration, or pseudo-integration, into society. In the sense that there are always problems, but they can be solved administratively by mutual agreement. But legally there's no solution — unlike all foreign legislation, except the Belgian legislation, which is modeled on ours."
The interviewer then asks: "Do you feel that you are now completely yourself and you don't have any problems identifying yourself since your operation?"
Véronique says: "To tell the truth, I only had identification problems towards others, not with myself. I saw myself as what I was — a woman with a body that didn't belong to her. It's very difficult to conceive for someone who's comfortable in their own skin. I use the term 'comfortable in one's own skin' because it's the typical image. Because I didn't have any problems — but people created problems. Now I don't have any problems. To tell the truth, this operation — that is the removal of this useless organ in our case, because it is both unusable and unused."
And the interviewer asks: "Do you live alone?"
Véronique says: "I'm not with anyone, but I've lived with a woman and conceived this union in the style of George Sand and Chopin. Chopin was probably a transsexual — his style of melody, the way he plays, makes this quite clear. I think the image that has been given of the Rimbaud-Verlaine union is a distorted, caricatured image that doesn't correspond at all."
This is very important. She has this speech tick — it's exactly like Brigitte Macron's. If you spoke French you would understand that. But she also mentioned musical composer Frédéric Chopin, plus mentioned gay poets Paul Verlaine and Arthur Rimbaud.
Now why is that significant? Well, these poets were in a homosexual affair — a very violent relationship. So she's clearly coming across as someone who is tremendously educated. This is not some random person. This is somebody who has been educated in the classics, who is on this show for the purpose of trying to move along legislation to be able to make it easier for people who are trans to secure identities. That is the purpose of this appearance. And as I said, the purpose of using someone who has this ability to communicate and speak about the high arts is to make the audience perhaps more sympathetic with the cause. She's saying, "I was always a woman."
Which is funny, because as I read that, what's ringing in my head is that sentence that Brigitte and Emmanuel wrote to me in the first legal letter. They said she does not owe you any proof that she has and always will be a woman. A very strange thing to write — almost like, "I believe it and therefore it is." And of course you do owe me proof. You're going to say that you're going to sue me in a Tennessee court — you absolutely will be owing me proof if you're going to say that I defamed you.
Chopin, Rimbaud, and the Macron Connection
But going back to the mention of these classical references — regarding Chopin, the first couple, when they were creating their legend in the public, claimed that they had moved a piano into the Élysée Palace because Emmanuel Macron, remember the virtuoso, loved to play Chopin for Brigitte and for Brigitte only. So this is something that matters to the couple.
Regarding the homosexual poets that she mentioned — Paul Verlaine and Rimbaud — Emmanuel Macron, while acting as president, considered admitting them both into the Panthéon, which is where they bury all of these French heroes. And this sparked a massive debate — like, should these people — first off, one of the lovers shot the other one, had to serve time in prison — would this be a good thing to move them? He was going to honor them as these homosexual poets and greats by burying them in this significant structure. But what ended up happening was Rimbaud's family firmly rejected that honor because they did not want his legacy to be reduced to a gay icon.
So that's just incredibly fascinating. It's incredibly fascinating that you have this person Véronique, and she's mentioning all the people that we know have this significance in the relationship between Emmanuel Macron and Brigitte. And after somebody used an AI voice analysis, they said that this was 100% the same person. I don't know much about these softwares, but for somebody to come out and declare that this is 100% the same person — and the only difference is that the voice has aged — to have the same ticks, it's a lot of coincidences. It was major when this happened and when this was revealed.
Jean-Michel Trogneux Marries a Woman Named Véronique
And then there are some more interesting things to remember here. When you jump back into the timeline — so Véronique appears. We don't know what this person's name is in life. They're using this name for this interview. Véronique, no last name. We don't know anything else. But don't forget that this person also said that they're not in a real relationship but they live with a woman.
Véronique says they live with a woman. Well, when we jump back into our Jean-Michel Trogneux timeline, we find that at this time Jean-Michel Trogneux — following this interview — marries a woman. And ironically, her name is Véronique. So could it be possible that Jean-Michel took on the name of a dear friend named Véronique, who he was living with and who he then moved to marry? We don't know, because of course there are no pictures of this wedding. There's nothing. There's nothing there.
Jean-Michel Trogneux, on paper, gets married to a woman named Véronique Dreux. And then they have a child — they have a child in 1982 named Jean-Jacques. That's the Jean-Jacques that looks tremendously like Emmanuel Macron. And then shortly thereafter, in 1987, Jean-Michel divorces Véronique Dreux.
So ladies and gentlemen — what is going on here? Seriously, like, what is going on in this story? What is happening? How do we have these actors who are unable to produce images from these very relevant things that happened in their lives? Where is Jean-Michel Trogneux? You got married to a woman — are there no pictures from your wedding day? No? You just decided to fall off a cliff and stop being photographed at the same moment that Brigitte Macron, the professor, the teacher, was born? Suddenly no more photographs for you?
What is going on here? Why do we have a situation in which schools — which are legally required to release photos, I believe the law in France is that after 50 years any person can get any photo of somebody that is in school, you can release the yearbook photos — why are they refusing to release photos of who was supposed to be the First Lady in elementary school, in middle school, in college? Why can't we get these photos? Why are people having to go through court and be denied to get these photos?
If it's really you, Brigitte Macron, and you didn't take on the identity of your sister — if it's really you — why are you struggling to answer basic questions? Forget the conspiracies. Why are you refusing to answer basic questions while trying to push people to sue for defamation, waiting for people to make mistakes? Why not just clarify? Are you the same person pictured in this wedding photo? Are you Brigitte Trogneux? How much more basic of a question could I have asked you? Or whether Brigitte Macron gave physical birth to three children?
Do not allow people, the media, to gaslight you into thinking that you are asking of something that is just such an invasion of privacy. It is completely nutty. We are beyond lunacy when we are talking about such basic questions that could have put this all to bed a long time ago. And we are like eight years into them instead preferring to legally try to punk people, to scare people, to intimidate people, sending out thugs potentially.
The Broader Picture
And when we look at that nebula — when we look at the surrounding and supporting cast of Emmanuel Macron and Brigitte Macron — do you feel comfortable with what's going on here? Is it every day that you need to have someone who forges documents around you? Allegedly Mimi Marchand — she's still facing trial right now for extortion. Is it normal to just keep having these sort of gang-type members around you? People that can control images, that can edit images and put them in the press? Are we going to accept as the public that this is completely normal, that they just keep landing into these pedophile scandals? Or are we going to recognize that something very sinister is going on, that Emmanuel Macron and Brigitte Macron are not presenting themselves as who they say they are, as what they say they are?
I believe they were groomed for this position. I believe especially Emmanuel Macron, without question, was groomed by Brigitte. There's no question about that. The only question that remains is: who the hell is Brigitte Macron? And the obvious answer to me — and after you see these photos that you are going to see, one in particular from when Jean-Michel Trogneux was 18 — you're going to fall down like I did when I saw it. It's just completely crazy.
Xavier Pussard's Facial Recognition Work
And thankfully, for the work of Xavier Pussard, the one thing that helped him not make mistakes was that he was using an AI program which the World Economic Forum has rated the number one facial detection software. Which allowed him to avoid making mistakes. It's the same program used by China — obviously, you know, they have in China the social credit system and everyone's face they have to be able to tell apart. Very similar faces they have to be able to tell apart. And this was ranked as the number one software to be able to do that.
So when he thought something, he ran the software. Like with the wedding photo — he ran the software and he said, "I know this guy looks like this guy, but the percentage on this software is saying that the cousin and the man are two different people." So he didn't run with that theory. He didn't go just based off of his gut instinct. He was also being aided by a software which was giving him answers before he even really knew what the answers were. We'll have more on that when I sit down with him.
But do know that the software he is using has the blessing of the World Economic Forum. And I think we've all figured out that that forum is pretty evil and they want us all to be able to be identified. The software — I had to test it out myself to believe in it. It's incredible. I mean, you can take a woman when she's six years old, she could have had 20 surgeries on her face to transform her face, and it will still say that's her — 80% chance. I've never seen anything like it. It kind of terrifies me about our future. It terrifies me about AI in general. But for the purposes of his investigation, it really allowed him to sort things out.
And there's no question in my mind, upon seeing this technology, that Jean-Michel Trogneux is Brigitte Macron. The only question that I have is what happened to his sister Brigitte Trogneux. And you'll get to that as well. Like I said, I didn't want to give too many spoilers ahead of the interview I sit down with him. But there's just more. There is so much more for us to unpack — the Rothschild connection, the jobs that he got that he didn't deserve, Emmanuel Macron — and like I said, we will get to all of those things.
Audience Questions
Before I get into some of your questions — all right, you guys, let me just do five minutes here of questions before we have to jump off.
"Love and respect from the south Georgia mama to you" — thank you so much.
Deen writes: "Candace, I never was a fan of yours until the USS Liberty episode. Thank you for bringing that story to life because the history books don't. I'm now a huge fan of yours. You speak truth." Thank you, thank you so much. I appreciate that. And yeah, it's been a journey, but we just have to unpack this evil and we have to also just have the courage ourselves to recognize that this kind of evil exists. We've got to kind of pop the bubble, step out of the fairy tale, and realize that there are some makers of the world without question. And we need to definitively be able to look at someone like Emmanuel Macron and demand answers, because in my view he's never been in control of his entire life. He's a weak, spineless little coward.
Mickey writes: "May God protect and bless you. Thank you for sharing your faith in Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior and the truth of the wicked ways of the abuse to children." Without question, that is kind of the scariest part of this — so many powerful people involved in so many of these scandals.
Lastly, Alaska Dog writes: "Aw, Jean-Michel shares a birthday with Alex Jones also today, whom I'm guessing is enjoying your coverage on the Macrons." Without a doubt he is.