Candace Owens interviews Corby Hall about his experiences with Victor Marx and the Fold AR rifle
Candace Owens interviews Corby Hall, inventor of the Fold AR rifle, about his multi-year relationship with Christian minister Victor Marx.
Summary
Corby Hall, the inventor and founder of Fold AR, a compact AR-15 rifle company based in East Texas, joins Candace Owens to detail a multi-year relationship with Christian minister Victor Marx that he now views as deeply manipulative. He describes how he was introduced to Victor Marx — a self-described Christian minister and humanitarian — in late 2023, and how that relationship evolved from a signature series gun deal into a series of increasingly alarming requests, including demands for weapons to be used in Haiti and for 50,000 rifles for IDF operations in Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria. He also recounts being subjected to a "retooling prayer" ritual at the Marx home, which he now views as a manipulative psychological technique designed to extract his deepest fears and insecurities. Owens draws explicit parallels between Hall's experience and broader patterns she has been investigating, including the manipulation of faith to control people and the dynamics she observed around Turning Point USA and the death of Charlie Kirk. The episode also touches on a Fold AR rifle sold to a Texas police officer, subsequently reported stolen, and then surfaced in an ATF trace on the morning of Charlie Kirk's assassination.
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Introduction and Background
Candace Owens: All right, ladies and gentlemen, get locked in. I have a good one for you. I told you about this yesterday. There's a lot to unpack and I think it could provide a lot of answers to some lingering questions that we have. I am very honored to welcome Corby Hall to the Candace Owens Show.
Corby Hall: Well, all righty then.
Candace Owens: That's how you do it. If you don't take the glasses off, no one's going to believe you.
Corby Hall: People need the glasses so that people know you mean business.
Candace Owens: Aren't we waiting on somebody?
Corby Hall: No, we are not waiting on anybody. He's not coming.
Candace Owens: Victor does not want to sit across from you, which I thought would be a good idea to have you all here because I can't contest anything he says. I am not the Fold AR company and I did not have these conversations with him. But it's okay because I'm actually happy to have just you. I do think that if he was here, he would dominate the conversation.
Everything that I learned about Victor Marx, I learned against my will. I want to be very upfront about where I am on this conversation, why I was so drawn to your story, and why I believe my audience will be so drawn to your story. I think we are at a very interesting place in America where we know we are being sort of abused by the media. We know that they're lying to us about everything. For me, there's the world before Charlie Kirk died and the world after Charlie Kirk died, and it seems like there's been an increase in this tactic to make us think that we're the crazy ones when nothing is making sense.
When I read your story and learned about Victor Marx, there were so many themes coming up. This idea of the pastor — I know now he says he's not a pastor, but his website certainly did say he was a pastor at some point — being interested in this product. This idea of "you can't question this because the Lord has willed this." This is what we're all feeling right now: that faith has been used to manipulate the masses and actually to cover up for evil.
So I want you to know that when we have this conversation, I will interject and put my opinion. As always, it does not need to become your opinion. Feel free to say, "Candace, I don't believe that. That sounds crazy. That could be a conspiracy." Or say, "I plead the fifth." But I wanted to give you a chance because I know that Victor Marx has a following. You do not. And he has been instantly, right out of the gate, saying that you are a crazy person, which is one of their favorite tactics — everybody who disagrees with me is an insane person. So, who actually are you, Corby Hall?
Corby Hall and the Fold AR
Corby Hall: Well, I own a company called Fold AR. I've got the patent on the most compact AR-15 in the world, and our mission is school resource officers. It's been a long journey. This isn't something that just popped up overnight. This has been a 20-year journey for me, and we've done really well in the marketplace for the size of the company and the amount of resources that were available to us.
I just got back from ICCE Off, which was the big show — you've kind of made it when you jump over that bar. Special forces operators from around the world came out and shot my weapon systems and loved it. I got to shake hands with a lot of IDF and all other kinds of special forces. It was an honor. The Fold AR brand itself has been here since 2018. We're a small company out in the sticks, East Texas, just a few employees, and we make a few thousand rifles a year. It's the most compact, but it's also a caliber swap — push one pin, the barrel system comes off, you can change your calibers and barrel lengths, push the pin back in, and you're ready to go with another caliber.
Candace Owens: And we're not going to tell people back at home how you just had to slowly explain to me the very basic functions of a gun. We're not going to tell them that.
Corby Hall: No, let's not tell them.
Candace Owens: I knew everything. So I did just get a nice crash course. It's a very interesting product. You can see why you would have special forces interested in it. And something that I think jumped out at my audience in general when it came to the Fold AR was the idea of a pastor — I know now he says he's not a pastor, but his website certainly did say he was a pastor at some point — being interested in this product. I'd just love to hear about how you met Victor Marx.
Meeting Victor Marx
Corby Hall: Well, late November of 2023, my wife was showing me some of the Instagram posts he was making. He was demoing compact weapon systems, and it was kind of framed around Victor looking for the most versatile compact weapon system out there. I don't think he announced it as a signature series at the time, but nonetheless, she had me message him and he responded right away and invited us up to his house in Colorado Springs. So we drove from East Texas to Colorado Springs on, I think, December the 1st.
When we got there, there were quite a few people — probably around 15 to 20. Some family, some friends, some security guys. All really nice people. Everybody was really kind to us and we got to meet all of them individually. We went into the dojo house — it's like a karate mat, kind of wide open space — and I was demonstrating the rifle, pulling it out of a backpack and deploying it, and teaching some of the people there how to deploy it.
Candace Owens: This sounds like a pretty big property.
Corby Hall: Not that big. I would say like four to five acres maybe.
Candace Owens: Okay. And they're doing gun demos just in a studio?
Corby Hall: Yeah, just a studio area at first. We did that for an hour — it was mostly discussion, so we're not deploying it and shooting it at that point.
Candace Owens: Any other people there — just friends, not in the industry whatsoever?
Corby Hall: I don't know if they were all local, but everybody was really nice.
So after that portion of it, we went out to the gun range, which was just a 25-yard range at the back of the property. It had timber framing around it and was kind of dug into the ground. Everybody got their rounds, we got pictures, my wife got to shoot the gun with Victor. She was excited about that.
I kind of stay back — I don't put myself in the middle of everything. I show everybody what to do, make sure everybody's safe. There were security-type former military people there. Everybody knows how to shoot a gun. So I'm just sitting back at my vehicle, which is parked at the back. And Victor comes up to me. The first thing he said in that moment was, "You know, I don't really meet too many people that are at the pinnacle of their industry."
I don't take overt compliments very well. That was really the first time anybody significant had said anything like that to me, because I'm still a very small company, almost invisible in the general marketplace, even though I'm well known within the industry. When I heard that, I was like, "Okay, at least somebody gets it." After 17 or 18 years of work at that point, that was nice.
And he said, "Well, you know, I've got some signature series I'm looking at with" — he named off a few different, bigger companies — "but this one's the only one that makes sense." For me, validation doesn't really mean anything, but it was a reaffirmation that somebody gets it.
We had already had conversations back at the dojo house about our mission with school resource officers. We had sold quite a few to SROs, but it wasn't really our established mission until we left the Marxes — and I'll walk you through that.
The Retooling Prayer
Corby Hall: So we get done with the shooting at the range and we've been there for like four or five hours. They invite us into their house. It's getting dusk. Victor opens the door and my wife goes in, and as we're going in, he says, "You know, everybody has been talking, and me and Eileen have noticed that you and your wife just have a unique connection that is unusual. Like you're finishing each other's sentences. You're talking to multiple people and automatically know where the other one left off and fill in the gap, and the way you look at each other." That was normal for us — we were already three years into the relationship. We had a little thing where we called it twin flames, and we had this other thing, 11-11. Not into all the angel numbers, but that was our thing, our unique connection.
He opens the door and says, "I feel God's favor on y'all, and y'all are about to come into an abundance." Having worked on this for so long, there had been a lot of instances where people told me, "Oh, this is about to take off, you're about to make all this money." So inside it didn't sit well with me hearing that. But on the outside it was like, okay, maybe this is it.
We go in, sit down in the living room, and we're having casual conversation, talking about the history of what I've been through to make it this far. It's getting deeper and deeper. They ask us, first, "Are y'all believers?" Yeah, yeah, we are believers. I accepted Christ when I was 16, and so did she. Then it was, "Well, why aren't y'all married?" Well, I've been married a couple of times before and it just wasn't a priority. We get along great and I don't want marriage to ruin that. But we weren't thinking scripturally about it.
This led into hours of conversation, and into Victor explaining what a retooling prayer is. I had never heard that term before. I grew up in a church, but I wasn't heavily rooted in scripture at that point in time. So it didn't click with me that that was something to watch out for. I'm just excited — this seems like it might be what I've been working for all this time, after all the stress and the lawsuits and the marriages. Finally somebody understands. So, hey, let's do a ritual in prayer.
He kind of explains it and he's asking Eileen a lot of questions about the process. To me it was like, well, why does he have to ask her how it goes, from component to component? But again, I just let it slide. We agreed, and it started off with me. I think the whole process lasted maybe 15 minutes each.
Candace Owens: When you say it started with you, and you also used the word ritual — what do you mean by that?
Corby Hall: The retooling prayer — he was going to do it on me first, and then on my wife.
Candace Owens: So one by one. And he's going to retool what?
Corby Hall: Good question. We'll figure that out.
Recently I looked back on a podcast that he and Eileen did in 2021 where it described the process. I kind of forgot what the process was after this thing, but I looked back recently and it all started coming back. I was like, "Oh yeah, he did exactly that." I had it transcribed and got to look through it in detail just a few weeks ago. As I was reading through it, it was, "Oh yeah, he did that, he did that, he did that."
So the first part was an opening prayer — about five or six sentences, 30 seconds worth — using the name of Jesus. It seemed like a fairly straightforward prayer, except — and again I didn't notice all this stuff back then — it included establishing a circle of judgment in the room.
Candace Owens: And who was in the circle of judgment?
Corby Hall: It was just an imaginary bubble sphere, so to speak. Around the whole room — all of us.
Candace Owens: I mean, within the circle, no one is judged, or we will be doing some judging? That's what I mean. Like, you can tell me everything and no one's judging, or we are going to enter into some judgments?
Corby Hall: Looking back on the transcript — it's judgment on the assigned demons.
Candace Owens: Okay. So he's judging the demons that he assumes are attached to you. Okay. And I'm not — I've not been in communication with a person who's doing a retooling prayer, so correct anything I get wrong.
Corby Hall: Right. So here's the trick. Believers can't be possessed by demons — that's scripture. So when you have believers come to this quasi-exorcism, you can't call it an exorcism. You have to reframe everything. So possession now becomes "assignment." They're not in you, but they're attached to you. A non-believer can be possessed inside. A believer can't be possessed inside, but can be attached on the outside. And so if you engage in a continuous sin, you have invited a demon to walk alongside you.
Candace Owens: Okay. I would have to consult a priest on that, because I do think there are definitely ways that you can get possessed by demons. But that helps me understand the context of how this is happening. So he's saying there are demons attached to you, and I'm going to do this retooling prayer. May I ask — what is his authority to do that prayer?
Corby Hall: Well, I don't know that answer.
Candace Owens: That would be my first question. If someone's like, "I'm going to get these demons that are attached to you off of you," I'd be like, "Are you a priest? Are you an exorcist?" Did he say to you, "I am a pastor"?
Corby Hall: A pastor. Okay. So he's taken that since — just so you know, publicly he's no longer a pastor, but he definitively did. We checked out on his website that he was a pastor. I think he believes that he's anointed by God as some type of apostle.
Candace Owens: So in any case, this attached, assigned demon is going to get judged in this circle of judgment.
Corby Hall: So he asked me a series of questions and said, "You're just going to respond. Whatever the first thing that comes to your head, just say it. Doesn't matter what it is. Don't think about it. Relax. Just say whatever the first thing that comes to your mind."
And so he's commanding the demons at this point. He asked how many demons are assigned. The instruction was I'm just going to say a number. I don't remember the exact number — it was either two or three. I just said the first number that came to mind. Then he asked the name of the first one. This was recorded, by the way — we were suggested to record it, and my wife did.
I said, "Oh, you're never going to believe what's popping in my head. I just think it's something I've seen in a movie or something." And Eileen says, "Oh well, just say whatever it is. It doesn't matter." I said, "Well — Visible." And Eileen says, "You know, that's actually pretty common." Like, "Oh, okay."
So proceeding from there, Victor names the demon by the name Visible, and he commands angels to come down and grab this demon by the arms and make the demon kneel before him.
Candace Owens: Just pausing here for dramatic effect, because that is the statement right there. He believes he has the capability not just to command demons but to command angels. That's what he's telling you.
Corby Hall: Yeah.
Candace Owens: And to be clear — I hadn't realized this — I thought when you said you guys went one by one that maybe Eileen was in another room, but you were all in the room together?
Corby Hall: Yeah. And Eileen is still kind of reminding him of the steps. He knows what to say, but it's like, "Oh no, you do this step first." And then he'd be like, "Oh yeah."
Candace Owens: Which angel did he say?
Corby Hall: He didn't say. I don't remember him saying the names of the angels. All recorded, so it'd be interesting to figure out which angel he believes he's commanding.
This is just a scary story to me. Like, I don't even watch scary movies. It's like a movie right now in my head.
Candace Owens: But this is the guy who understands you.
Corby Hall: And understands what I've been through and sees the value in what I'm doing.
Candace Owens: They always come as your friends.
Corby Hall: So this demon being held by two angels — he makes some commands. He commanded one of the angels to cut the arm off the demon, and then commanded the other angel to cut off the other arm or a leg — some dismemberment of the demon.
But I did skip a portion. Before all of that dramatic stuff, there was another set of questions. After the demon's name, the next question asked was, "What are the three lies that you've been telling Corby?" And this is where I started to get into kind of a trance-like state. I was staring straight at Victor and I wasn't blinking. My eyes were kind of watering up and I stopped breathing — not as a panic, but I just noticed I wasn't breathing for a few seconds.
Again, first thing that pops into your head. I said, "You're a fraud." And then, "What's the second lie you're telling Corby?" — "Your kids don't love you." And the third lie: "He'll never love you."
So those were the three lies. First things that popped in my head. Then after that set of questions was, "What is the one truth that God's trying to tell Corby that you're blocking from him hearing?" And of course, it's: you're not a fraud, your kids do love you, and she's sitting right there next to you and she's not going to leave you.
Then the dramatics with the chopping the arms and legs off and casting away, and then onto the next demon. What's the next demon's name? And the whole process started over.
Candace Owens: Hindsight is 20/20. Also, I have the honor of sitting in this chair and I can hear what's happening with what I just know about psychology. He — you are telling him your deepest fears. That's it. Like there's nothing happening other than we're all self-conscious. We constantly in our head are saying things like, "Oh, this is not right." We're our own worst critics. And he's just commanded that out of you, and now he knows your weak spots.
Corby Hall: Yep.
Candace Owens: And you, at the end of that — because you're doing this and these people are strangers — you've instantly established an emotional connection with these people because you shared with them something that you would not just share with a person you just met. So he is — I would almost say he's trained in that. I don't think he's being trained by a church in that. I'll tell you that.
Corby Hall: Right.
Candace Owens: Because in just hearing the emotion of it — I instantly know these are your deepest fears. That's it. Like we all have them. And you're talking about your kids. You're talking about, does this woman love me? You're going into — I think you said this is your third relationship. That's obviously going to be a fear. And he just now has the key.
Corby Hall: Maybe he was summoning demons. Maybe there was somebody in there that might have been a little possessed or attached. I don't think it was you, but that's my opinion.
Candace Owens: It's my podcast. I can say my opinion whatever I want.
Corby Hall: So the next name was Thomas. I don't remember what the three lies were for that one. But the thing about it was a compounding effect. Every time you got done with a demon, he would re-ask the question of how many demons now. And after that second one, Thomas, I said zero. We're done. No matter what number popped into my head, it was zero. It was getting kind of weird at that point. I wanted it over with.
Then he moved on to my wife, and I'll just leave that one alone.
Candace Owens: Same process, same thing?
Corby Hall: Yeah.
Candace Owens: What happened after?
Corby Hall: I remember him saying that doing this practice drains his energy — like he gets real worn out, almost like he's using up energy in this process. That stuck out to me.
After the whole process, him and Eileen left the room and came back and told me about a dream or vision — I don't remember which one it was — that Eileen had had the night before. They were both telling the story, him telling a piece and then her telling a piece. It was that Eileen had had this dream or vision that this was going to be related to a mission to protect kids, and that it's God-ordained that we met, and that I'm bringing this rifle that is the best tool for the job on the backs of SROs. And in addition to that, going into conflict zones to rescue women and children and having these rifles on their backs would benefit them. Double whammy — schools protecting students, and saving women and children abroad.
Candace Owens: And God ordained it. What do you know? Just the night before.
The Signature Series and Shot Show Wedding
Candace Owens: There are so many connecting themes here with just everything that I've been discussing on my podcast — obviously just investigating this Charlie Kirk story. And that brings me back to this obvious relationship Eileen has with Erika. This is very similar. You know, I was there when Charlie and she met, and it's all godly, it's all about this is what God wants. And how easily Charlie fell for that and believed that, okay, yeah, this woman is just so godly. And speaking to her exes, as I did, one of them telling me that she would say she had a vision or a dream of someone that he was close to after he had opened up that this person was close to him — particularly this ex-boyfriend was speaking about his grandfather — and then she'd say, "Oh, your grandfather visited me in a dream." So it's again establishing that connection.
There's a pattern here that I'm recognizing. I think it's been one of the major connecting themes in looking into what changed at Turning Point USA and the direction that it went. I don't want to get ahead of myself there.
So you've done this, you've established this connection, you do believe to some degree that it must be godly. You've now handed them the keys to your deepest insecurities about yourself. And I'm sure it felt in equal parts cathartic, getting that out. You don't seem like the kind of person who runs up and talks a lot to people and says, "Hey, let me tell you my deepest, darkest secrets."
Corby Hall: I'm pretty open to people that I feel see me. But in general, no, I'm pretty standoffish.
Candace Owens: Right. So now the four of you are in this God vision together — I'm obviously saying that tongue in cheek. What happens next?
Corby Hall: So we go home. We had a hotel we were staying in, but we left the next day. This was again early December. So I get to work on the signature series — the Victor Marx signature series. We run through a bunch of ideas on color schemes and features. What suppressor, what backpack, how is this rifle going to be presented? We came up with something and it was a pretty cool rifle.
I had it ready for Shot Show. Shot Show is the largest gun show in the country, probably the world. It happens in Vegas every year, and this year — 2024 — it happened in late January. We were communicating back and forth about the color scheme and all the accessories, and we built a few units to present and give him a couple at the show. He had his FFL — federal firearms license — so we transferred a couple to him at the show and had a few for our display in our booth.
Backing up just a little bit — I told him, about five days before the show, that I was going to ask my then-girlfriend to marry me. I think I asked him, "Hey, you're going to be there, you're our pastor — let's get married. Thirty-minute ceremony, we'll be in and out quick." He was like, "Oh yeah, yeah, we'll do that."
So I had gotten a ring, and it actually had traveled through four different continents and arrived at our Airbnb in Vegas the day of the wedding. I was just dressed in jeans and my work boots and a button-up shirt, and she had a pretty cheap easy dress that she got — looked beautiful. And I actually hadn't even asked her to marry me yet. So the day of, I asked her. We were just walking down the hallway. By the way, she was my CEO of the company and had been working there for at least two years by that point — bang-up job, she's good.
So we go up to Victor's hotel room. We had some of our industry friends attend with us. They got video and pictures. It was super special for her because she just adored Victor and had followed him for many years. The ceremony was perfect and simple. We read each other's vows. Victor was there. He officiated it. We had our marriage certificate that we ran to the courthouse and grabbed real quick.
We got a picture of him signing it with us sitting down behind him. Once we got the photo op, we walked to the other side of the room and were mingling with our friends. Looking over, I could already tell what was going on — he's talking to Eileen, he's not certified to do this in Nevada. They're talking it back and forth, trying to decide if he's going to sign it or not.
I'm like, "Hey, is it just because we're in Nevada?" He's like, "Yeah, I don't have a license here — there's a block on the form where you put your license number." And I was like, "Well, just sign it. We'll go back to Texas and do our county deal after this. Doesn't need a license on it. We're not going to file it here anyways."
Candace Owens: Red flag. But does he have a license even in Colorado?
Corby Hall: I don't know.
So that was that. Shot Show was a great event. Got a lot of videos and pictures. Everybody was shaking hands and meeting Victor and meeting us. Normally I hate going to Shot Show — I've been every year since 2012 and just absolutely hated it. All the walking and hauling stuff around and the logistics. But this one was pretty memorable.
The SRO Mission and Sebastian Gorka Appearance
Candace Owens: So things are looking good. When is the first time you had any sort of a shift in that narrative?
Corby Hall: So we had an opportunity pop up. I believe it was March or April-ish. Sebastian Gorka had me on once, and me and him had talked quite a few times over text. He loved the gun — he's a gun guy. He said, "Okay, I'll see you guys — Victor, I've been trying to get him on my show forever. Let's talk about this cool mission and let's get y'all on."
I did not want to go on. I texted Victor: "Hey, Sebastian wants you to get on with him and talk about the Fold AR. You've been bugging me. Just go on with the dude. My wife will be there to support you through this." Victor's like, "Yeah, I do this all the time. It ain't no problem."
Candace Owens: Tell us the genesis before we talk about Victor and the very exciting plans you have for this weapon. What is the genesis?
Corby Hall: So our inventor, Corby — he's my husband also — came out with the product about seven years ago because he was looking for a way to get the AR to be more compact. He decided to take the barrel nut off, and then when he figured that out, he figured that you could also fold it. After a lot of testing and a couple years of development, he made this a possibility.
Candace Owens: What is your mission now, Victor?
Corby Hall: Well, I'll tell you — everyone knows that time in a critical life-and-death situation makes the biggest difference. This weapon platform, not only being an outstanding high-end platform to shoot, it is absolutely the best product in order to engage a hostile threat in a school, bar none. And again, with it being carried in a backpack, it keeps the level of anxiety down for students to watch. So we know this is a lifesaver. What we want to do is to see every resource officer — first starting in the state of Texas — have one of these, and then it's spreading throughout the United States so that our children will be made safe.
So Victor goes on and they talk about the Fold AR a little bit. I think Sebastian asked her how she came up with it, and she spat off some stuff — it was good. But then Victor came in and was talking about the All Things Possible mission and said that we're going to make it a mission to get one of these Fold ARs on the back of every SRO in the nation, starting with Texas. I was kind of like, oh, I didn't think he was going to say that, but yeah, let's do this.
The idea was to set up a 501(c)(3) and figure out how to get donations coming in for schools, particularly rural schools that don't have immediate access to SWAT teams or funding. That happened, and it wasn't too long before we had a school that needed five and didn't have the budget for it. It was local to us. We built them up and talked to Victor about getting that funded, and there was some pushback. He said, "I've got to run this through the ATP board. They didn't know I was going to do that and they're kind of worried about the whole gun thing."
I think it was either $13,000 or $15,000 — the suppressors, backpacks, optics, all the stuff they need to train and deploy. He eventually did send a check to us. We paid for them to build them up front — we're not making a lot of guns every year anyway, so funding that out of pocket was a hit. But we did it. We got the guns to the high school or the ISD and they loved them. We got some photo ops. Victor didn't come for that, but we really wanted him to. We delivered those in the summer of 2024.
That was the only one that Victor's ATP purchased. My wife had created a fairly long list of schools — they would fill out a template: we want the guns, we will use them, and we don't have a budget for them, and/or we're located in an area where there's not quick access to first responders. If they checked the boxes and put it on their letterhead, we would take it in and have it ready for ATP. But yeah, after summer of 2024, there were no more attempts for school resource officers.
Candace Owens: Right. But there were requests for other guns.
The Haiti Requests
Corby Hall: So, moving forward into August — Victor messages me and says, "Hey, I need a thousand-yard-capable rifle that has a scope on it and a camera attached to the scope." Okay, I can put that together. I actually already have the components. He needs me to deliver it to him pretty quickly.
I build this thing out. It's got a proof research barrel on it — a carbon fiber precision barrel, about an $1,100 barrel — a 223, 16-inch barrel, with a $5,000 scope on it. I had had it for a while, so I was just like, he'll make better use of it than me.
Candace Owens: You're just going to give him a $5,000 scope?
Corby Hall: Yeah. And with a camera attached to it. I literally had this already set up, but I hadn't used it in a while.
So I take it up to Victor, and the conversation — this is with me and him privately, where the meat of the conversations always come in — he wants to blow the head off of somebody that sticks their head up over the fence around this orphanage in Haiti. They have a tower in the middle of it, like some kind of watchtower, because apparently people are jumping over the fence, climbing over and trying to rob the orphanage.
I told him, "Yeah, I'm not going to leave it here if that's what you're doing." We had had a previous conversation about shooting watermelons at 1,000 yards. But when I got there in person, the conversation shifted. Now he wants to talk about shooting people.
Candace Owens: Shooting people. Yeah. And I just want to back this up — when he was initially having that conversation about shooting watermelons, did you think he was talking about watermelons, or did you think it could be code? You kind of know him a little bit now.
Corby Hall: I thought he was shooting straight because he had never made a weird request before this.
Candace Owens: So then he says, let's have this conversation face to face. And when you say you meet up, this is in Colorado?
Corby Hall: Yes.
Candace Owens: This is August of 2024?
Corby Hall: Correct.
Candace Owens: So now you're face to face and he's like, actually, there's this orphanage and people are climbing over this fence, and there happens to be a tower in the middle, and we just want to shoot these people to protect the orphanage. Presumably stealing orphans, trafficking children?
Corby Hall: I don't know. He didn't say that explicitly.
Candace Owens: Fair enough. So I say, you know, I'm not going to leave this — that's not what my rifle is for. I mean, for military, I will sell my rifles to military and law enforcement, and it's assumed that they may shoot people with them. But in this context of a mercenary-type operation that doesn't have oversight — and did you wonder why he was doing that at all? Because I mean, I have a priest. If my priest was suddenly like, "Hey, Candace, can I have some guns to go shoot people on a mercenary mission," I'd be like, "This is a new side of you." Is he telling you he's connected? How are you processing that request?
Corby Hall: I just simply said, "Yeah, I'm just not going to leave it here." I'm not processing it. I'm just — I'm happy that I'm there in person now. We can talk. I've got this list of schools that are ready for guns. That bond has been established. He is my spiritual authority figure. I'm not to question. I am to do. And I was there to deliver.
But I told him, "Well, why don't you just do the watermelon? Just do the watermelon." And backing up — shooting the head off of a person had transitioned into, "Well, I'm going to go in and execute or capture Jimmy Barbecue."
Candace Owens: Okay. The first time I've ever heard of this guy. I'm still like, "Yeah, no." Back to the watermelons. He's like, "Yeah, just put the watermelon up on the fence, shoot it, get your propaganda video." That's what the whole thing was about — shooting somebody climbing over, got it on camera, distribute it out in Haiti and they won't jump over anymore. I see the good intention behind it, but yeah, no. And then it transitioned into a little bit more detail — maybe if I tell him it's to kill Jimmy Barbecue, who is causing all the ruckus in Haiti anyway, then he'll agree.
Candace Owens: Okay. So I do want to just take a second now to show a brief clip to my audience of the media context of who Jimmy Barbecue is.
"Jimmy Chérizier, universally referred to here as Barbecue, is the head of one of the most powerful gangs in Port-au-Prince. But he's also the head of a gang consortium that's brought Haiti to its knees. Barbecue sees himself as a revolutionary for the people and he rails against corrupt politicians and oligarchs. He dismisses all the efforts underway here to form a transitional council that will govern Haiti. Inside his territory, despite the poverty, life is relatively peaceful and organized. Unlike in much of Port-au-Prince, queues for food Barbecue gets brought in are orderly. Usually it's chaos, but here people wait knowing that there are enough supplies for the whole community. And this is a source of Barbecue's strength. To the outside world he may be a gangster, but here he's a sort of Robin Hood."
Candace Owens: Okay. So he's saying to you, I'm going to get this guy — capture or kill. You say, "Not with my weapon, actually." And let's talk about school resource officers. What happens next?
Corby Hall: Right after the Jimmy Barbecue conversation, that's when I brought it back to the watermelons and he seemed to agree — kind of reluctantly, in an annoyed manner, like, why are you questioning me? Maybe he was testing me. I don't know. I don't know what his intentions were. I just know what was said to me.
I didn't have a concern at that point, though, because he was like, "Yeah, we could do the watermelon. Not a bad idea." So from there, I left the gun with him. There was no real discussion about schools — or maybe there was, but it was just, "Yeah, we're still on board with the mission," but it never went anywhere.
The November Texas Visit and the 50-Gun Request
Corby Hall: Then in November, he comes to Texas to my facility. The intent is that we're going to tour the shop. He had a couple fly him down on their private plane. I picked them up from the airport and we went to the shop and toured it. During that tour, pretty early on — he was there for probably four hours — when we got alone on the shop floor in between the machines, he's like, "Hey, I still got this Haiti stuff going on and I need 50 guns to take and drop off in Haiti."
I said, "Well, that's an embargo country. I've exported guns to many different countries by this point and I know the process, and Haiti wasn't on the approved export list." So I was like, "No, I can't do that one." I said, "I suggest you don't do that with any other firearms either." I'm assuming he just doesn't know the export laws. Why am I assuming this? I don't know. But he's a high-risk humanitarian abroad. He's been to all these other countries, done operations. In hindsight, of course he knew that you can't take guns and drop them off into Haiti.
Candace Owens: Did he ever give you the context of the other countries he had visited? How are you getting on these missions? Who are you working for?
Corby Hall: No. And then there was already the visit before that where there were Haiti discussions. He told me about the orphanage, told me about Jimmy Barbecue and the gang violence around it. So I kind of knew the context already. It's just like, okay, well, you're — I've already told you no once, and then you're bringing me something that's even more — because you can, I suppose, if you have whatever license or State Department approval, go as a private citizen with your own gun and do your thing and keep your gun on you. I suppose that's a legal thing. But leaving guns — I know that's not allowed.
Candace Owens: Yeah, I think that's called weapons trafficking, but I'm not positive.
Corby Hall: Yep. So I told him no. I also told him, "If you place an order for 50 guns with my wife next week, I can't sell you the guns because I already know now. So let's not talk about this anymore." He said, "Okay, I'll figure it out."
Candace Owens: What did he say he wanted to do with them? Who was he dropping those guns off for?
Corby Hall: He didn't tell me that. All I was told was it was for protection of the orphanage. I was told it was a 200-acre property. I don't know if that's true or not. I was told there is a tower in the middle of it and a pretty tall fence around the perimeter. Wasn't told how many kids are there or who mans it.
The Final Meeting in Colorado — April 2025
Candace Owens: What happens next?
Corby Hall: There was not another meeting until the final meeting, which was in early April, in Colorado. The context around this meeting was multifaceted. There were issues between me and my spouse. We were talking about biblical things, relationship things. He was mentoring me — what I viewed to be mentoring at the time — during this whole relationship.
Things were starting to pile up. Trump got elected in November of 2024, and in the gun industry we have what's called the Trump slump. Anytime a Republican is elected, the demand for firearms goes down. Things get pretty tough. You have to pivot as a manufacturer to survive in that environment, and we didn't have the resources to pivot.
We went to Shot Show again in January of 2025 — our anniversary. It was pretty rough because sales were already going down. And just to be honest, I was struggling with substance abuse with THC.
Candace Owens: Gummies or vapes?
Corby Hall: Yep. Daily. I'd done that since 2020. Anxiety issues with the past — I didn't want to get on any SSRIs or anything like that again. Weed, as long as I moderated it, was a pretty good regulator of anxiety for me, so long as I didn't go overboard with it. But it became one of those dependency things — you just got to have a little bit more, a little bit more. And then I needed to pivot, and I wasn't able to do it. I was functionally declining. And the ATP thing wasn't helping. The signature series — we did sell some of them, but it wasn't skyrocketing business or anything.
Candace Owens: So you've got the added financial pressure.
Corby Hall: Yeah. And interestingly enough, with my wife's involvement, the prior three years, we made the Inc. 5000 list in 2025. She had worked so hard on it. With her in the CEO position, we had increased our revenue by 350% in the prior three years. We earned the 608th position in the country, 60th fastest manufacturer, and first in the region as the fastest growing company in the region — while we're like, oh man, we're tanking fast.
Candace Owens: How are we going to keep the lights on?
Corby Hall: Yeah. So yes, this is all building up on me, and I'm going back to Victor and one of his guys, Chaz, for any kind of support — more so like, help me figure out: number one, I'm ready to get off of THC because I've got to make this pivot and bring my high-functioning self back.
And there wasn't really any help there. Maybe a couple of nudges here and there. But there's a text message history that I've gone through recently, and it all makes sense now.
Candace Owens: A text message chain between you and Victor and Chaz — who is, just so my audience is aware, the COO of All Things Possible, Victor Marx's organization. What is it about that text chain that makes sense in hindsight?
Corby Hall: There was a point — I don't remember which month it was — where I was in a suicide crisis for a moment. My message to Victor was, "Hey, I'm in the parking lot of Walmart." I had bought a life insurance policy about seven years prior and shopped around for one that had a suicide allowance in it for that specific reason. I was sitting in that parking lot, crying. I said, "God's telling me that if I do this, he's not going to take me."
Victor's response was, "Well, of course, don't do that. The lawyers, they'll always find a loophole." And the next message was, "Well, I can just have you disappeared. I can have you knocked off or disappeared to a banana plantation in South America."
Candace Owens: So you're in the parking lot. You've said that you're going through a suicide crisis. And that's what he comes back with. And this is supposed to be your minister, pastor, spiritual director.
The reason I'm encouraging you to talk about this is because he will use this against you. And I also just want to say to you — you shouldn't feel weird about that. That's the number one reason that men commit suicide. This is why men have a higher suicide rate than women. The financial pressure, the stress of finances — there are going to be so many men watching this that can relate to that. And so when you keep that inside, I feel like that's why he was able to manipulate you. And why he's so quick to say, "Well, he's got mental health issues."
First off, knowing that this man is supposed to be your spiritual director — I couldn't imagine my priest in London, no matter what happens, coming out and saying something like that. There is something so violating about him coming out and saying that. You're going to who you're supposed to go to. And obviously you're Protestant, so you're thinking this guy is telling me he's a pastor, he married me — this is the person when I am thinking I want to kill myself that I should be able to go to. And he's just using that against you.
Corby Hall: With knowledge that I was on THC. I was very open about it.
Candace Owens: And asking for help.
Corby Hall: For help.
Candace Owens: So this becomes sort of this entry point of how he's just on the radio right now like, "Well, he's got mental health issues." Well, try being broke and trying to figure everything out. I think everybody develops a little bit of a mental health issue. So I just wanted to say — that's not something he should have made you feel bad about.
Corby Hall: I guess in his mind he was joking, but looking back at the totality of circumstances, there was something else going on there.
Candace Owens: And he didn't call you. I mean, I would just think that if somebody texted me and said, "Hey, I'm in a parking lot and I'm thinking about killing myself," my instinct would be to call.
Corby Hall: Yeah. And just to say — I was being told that you can't do this because God won't take you. So I'm telling him at the same time, these are thoughts going through my head, but I'm not going to do it because it's not going to work out well for me. But yeah, the response was — looking back on it — manipulative.
Now, for the record, after having studied scripture as much as I have since this time period forward, I'm not suicidal. Put that on the record. I will not kill myself and I'm not having suicidal thoughts.
Candace Owens: You were having a low moment.
Corby Hall: Yep. And looking for a friend or a spiritual director. A lot going on. And I am off substances. I did get off a month before. In February, I stopped THC. That's a year and a few months ago. It took a while to detox from that, but I returned to my normal high-functioning self. I would say it took probably nine months to fully come back.
Skipping over a bunch of time — there was a visit coming up in April. I was still compounding. Got rid of the THC in February-ish, but withdrawals were starting up leading up to April. I'm still having issues during this withdrawal cycle. And I tell Victor that I'm separating from my wife.
Candace Owens: Financial issues and marital issues tend to go hand in hand. I think it's the number one reason for divorce.
Corby Hall: Yeah, it is. At least in my experience. But I've got a little bit of experience.
So he says, "I'll fly you up here." I don't fly very much at all, so I drove up there. When I arrive — let me fill in the gap here. So again, spiritual mentor relationship. At this point I'm off THC. I'm in the Bible, studying the heck out of it. At the same time, I'm supposed to be pivoting my business to figure out how to survive in this new market. A lot going on.
As I'm doing more research in the Bible, I'm also seeing things that don't look right. I'm particularly interested at this time in deceptive Christianity. I come across some what I consider to be false spiritual leaders in the Christian movement. And I'm telling Victor about what I'm finding. He wants me to talk to Chaz about those things. So I'm talking to Chaz too and sending them what I'm finding. And to them, I look like I'm kind of in a panic mode of discovery. They're not really responsive. In their mind they're like, "Okay, Corby's going through all this stress, he's talking about separating from his wife, he's coming off THC — we just need him here."
So I get there, Colorado Springs, show up at the hotel pretty late at night. They meet me at the hotel and we sit down at one of the dining tables. I noticed they've got bulletproof vests on. Once we sat down, I tapped on Victor's chest and he's like, "Yeah, we just got these in and I'm breaking them in." I was like, "Oh, cool." He kind of shakes it around. He's like, "Yeah, this thing is a little bit stiff right now, but it's a really nice vest." Okay. Not thinking anything.
Victor says, "Well, you know, we're going to do another retooling prayer tomorrow." And I was respectful. I looked at him and said, "No, not doing another retooling prayer. I've figured out how to get rid of my own sin. If I was to just keep coming back to you for deliverance, then that would be me making an idol of you, and that would be worshiping you." I could see the grin on his face — he was annoyed, but it was concealed enough that he just brushed it off. Didn't snap back or say any kind of snarky comment. He just took it.
Then he was telling me about what they were doing that day — some kind of big event. What I heard was there were 3,500 men there. It was kind of like some kind of spiritual, manly, macho learning-how-to-be-warriors-for-Christ event.
Candace Owens: A men's retreat. Were they all veterans?
Corby Hall: I'm not sure. But nonetheless, he told me about a board meeting. He was talking to Chaz really, but sitting right there. He told me about some of the people that were part of this board meeting. The names that came up were Lance Wallnau and Rex Crane. And those are two people that I had already seen and discovered were part of this prosperity gospel, ultra-charismatic type movement.
Candace Owens: NAR — New Apostolic Reformation. It's come up in my research.
Corby Hall: Yeah. So again, I'm thinking, hey, I'm going to do this dude a favor and point these things out to him. The doctrine that these people are preaching — I'm doing Victor a favor. So I'm at the hotel, in my room. Chaz is down the hallway from me. I'm sending Chaz all this stuff. "Chaz, look at this guy. Look what he's teaching. Seven Mountain Mandate. Like what? We are not here to make the world suitable for Jesus Christ to return. That's not how it goes. Taking over pillars of society — are you kidding me? What are y'all doing in organizations with these people?" And basically no responses.
Candace Owens: You kicked the hornets' nest with that one.
Corby Hall: Little did I know.
The Third Day — Intimidation and the IDF Request
Corby Hall: So I go to Victor's the next day. I'm not doing any retooling prayer. We're going to basically do a detox regiment, walk around his track, and talk about all the things I've been wanting to talk about. He wasn't really wanting to hear any of it. So we would just kind of shift from subject to subject. We'd talk about end times prophecy, we'd talk about marriage. Not to say that all of the advice he gave me was bad — it was a mixture of good advice and, like, what are you thinking?
The bigger topic was selling the business or getting an investor. Actually, backing up to probably January — we had talked about, hey, we need an investor or we need to sell the business. I'm having the suicidal issue, I'm having this and that issue. Hey, this is time for me to move along and figure something else out. Let's get somebody to invest or take it over. So we had built up an investment package and emailed financials. Victor said he had people looking at it — a $20 million valuation for the business and patent. I was all about it. Just exit for a bit. This has been almost 19 years of craziness.
So I'm there for, hey, let's talk about the business too. I've got all this other stuff I want to talk about, but we've got four days here. I ended up staying three. Did not stay the fourth day.
The first day was detox. He put me in this sauna that had a light frequency thing — it had all these colors on it and you could select frequencies for healing certain issues with the body or mental or whatever. And it's a sauna — you just get in it and turn to the light frequency you want and sit in there for a while. In my mind I'm going, that's new age. Light frequency healing — why are we doing this? Things are starting to click a little bit more. Anyway, I get in it. Whatever. I'm trying not to be rude. I'm just trying to survive this trip.
So we do some exercises, we walk, we talk. Victor goes and does some other stuff on the property. He left the property a couple of times and left me with the bodyguard, who was there the whole time, within a few paces of me if we were walking. He was walking behind us. Everybody has their bulletproof vest on. I don't see Eileen anywhere the whole time.
The third day is where most of the weirdness starts coming in. We're walking around the track and he's telling me about business. He tells me that SIG Sauer is going to be involved in this acquisition. He didn't want to say details, but okay — they're a big company, they can afford it. They're in law enforcement, so they'd be down with the school resource officer mission. Surely that was a condition: SROs, you've got to be committed to that. And enough money where we would have breathing space to not have to work a regular job if we didn't want to.
Then Victor tells me what he really wants to do. He tells me — 51% and we could only come up with a valuation of $2 million.
Candace Owens: This is so crazy. Just for transparency, you put $2 million into it at the start.
Corby Hall: It's mindboggling that he would even try it. But yeah, he must really think that I was under his spell.
Well, I was coming out of it. And really it could be said that I'm not fully out of it even today. But yeah — $2 million valuation and he wanted 51%, which meant he was going to put a little over a million in and take control of the company. And he wanted the patent.
I said, "Well, the money really isn't the biggest issue — it is a big issue — but the biggest issue is the 51% and you wanting the patent." I didn't say no, though. My response was, "Well, you're too busy." And he said, "Yeah, I am busy, but with my connections, you'll be able to manufacture without so much stress and we'll be behind you for funding." Not really disclosing what that meant. I've been down this road before.
So we went for another walk and continued talking about it. What me and my wife were wanting to do was be a part of the actual mission. In our minds we were thinking, if we're not working the company non-stop, we want to be part of the ATP mission. And they said, "Well, your wife — that's easy. We've got orphanages. It would be perfect for her. But for you, you're such an outlier. I don't really know. Not saying you don't fit anywhere, it's just I'd have to figure that out."
So we're walking around the track up at the top where there's this camera tower. And he's saying, "Well, Israel needs your guns." That's when he stops walking. I stop. He tells the bodyguard to step back a few paces. I'm looking at him and I say, "Well, yeah — they have 3,700 schools, they're going to put an IDF guy in each of the schools." And he's looking at me and says, "No — they need 50,000 for the IDF for operations in Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria."
At this point I'm just staring at him and he's staring back. He finally starts walking again after about 15 seconds and says, "You know, that's why I'm never engaging in scripture with you."
I start walking along with him, wondering in my head — what does scripture have to do with guns and the IDF? I'm not against the IDF. It's just — what about the school mission? We agreed this rifle is designed to protect kids in schools. If 50,000 are going to the IDF, who's going to make those? How long is it going to take? And how are we going to get guns on the backs of SROs here? All going on in my head. Just confused about the whole situation. Where did this get so far off track?
That was the moment that I was done, but I didn't say it.
Candace Owens: This is also when he says to you — I think — "I could beat you up."
Corby Hall: Oh yeah. My goodness. Yeah. So the 3,700 schools — I said 3,700 schools in Israel. Then he says no — 50,000 guns for operations in Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria. That's our stare-off. And he says, "You know, I could whoop your ass and there ain't nothing you could do about it." Inside I'm kind of laughing, but I'm keeping a straight face. I made sure to keep looking at him. And that's when he said, "That's why I'm never engaging in scripture with you."
Candace Owens: Yeah. Like ten things are happening in this sequence and it's just shocking. And thinking back on it — why did we stop right under the camera? Was he trying to get me to come at him?
Corby Hall: I think the whole weekend was kind of designed to intimidate you. From wearing bulletproof vests — why? You know him. He's supposed to be a friend of yours. "We're just breaking these in" — it just kind of feels like a military presence. Supposed to subconsciously wrap you in this idea: we are a force and you're here alone. You don't have your wife here. Eileen's not here. It just feels very staged.
Candace Owens: Yeah. Just hearing it, that's what it feels like to me.
Corby Hall: And he's leading up to this big question on the third day. No one's here. I could kick your butt. The IDF wants this and you need the money. You're desperate and this is what we can do. This is what your company's worth. It's quite intimidating. Or meant to be intimidating.
Candace Owens: I mean, I would say — I wouldn't say traumatic, but you've got to remember, just three or four months prior you were in this suicide crisis. You were coming off of THC. You were engaged in scripture and then all these red flags are popping up, and then that.
Corby Hall: Yeah. And so that's basically the end of the third day. We left on good terms. I never had one crosswise conversation with him.
Candace Owens: You mentioned something about a threatening innuendo.
Corby Hall: Yeah, that's what he said. It didn't even register as plausible given the fact that I was on his property. He's got his guys. I was like, who would try to size up and then be like, yeah, I'm going to take you on your own property with your own men all around with cameras in front? That didn't sound right to me.
We did go into the rec room and were kicking around the bags and stretching and doing this and that. But he looked down like a puppy — he even admitted that he made that threat. He looked down like a puppy. Like, no, that's not me. I don't like to fight. I don't fight. But that was kind of a low blow.
Candace Owens: Still kind of making you feel small.
Corby Hall: Yeah.
Candace Owens: So you get out of there a day early. And what happens thereafter? You're kind of now realizing what this is.
Corby Hall: Maybe kind of adjacent to this NAR cult.
Candace Owens: New Apostolic Reformation.
Corby Hall: No, I really didn't. I still thought in my mind that Victor was just unaware — all the way through this point. Just unaware of what he was involved with. That's how deep that bond had become, or whatever you want to call that.
Candace Owens: You can't see what's right in front of you.
Corby Hall: Exactly. So I leave the property and I'm staying in Colorado for another month. I go get Airbnbs, jump around a little bit. I do a demo at Douglas County — I just drove up to Douglas County Sheriff's Department and walked in with my Fold AR on my back. It's a huge department, like 600 officers. I just walk in, declare it, and they find me the guy to talk to. The dude was just blown away by it. Had never seen it. We got a demo set up the next week. Came out and did a demo for them. SWAT team came out, SROs came out, several of the armory guys. They just loved it.
That's what I love doing — I'm not a combat guy, but I will show anybody how to deploy the Fold AR, especially SROs and law enforcement guys. I'm really good at it. I can talk them through the product and demonstrate really well, and that's what I enjoy most.
Victor knew about the counseling I had set up — intensive counseling. I think he said that he paid for the counseling. He did not. I paid all of it. It was $13,000 with the counseling in the room. I don't know why he said that he paid for it. He didn't.
My wife did come up. It was set up for individual counseling for me as an intensive two-week deal. I pressured her into coming — we've got to do marriage counseling. So she did come up. We went through it. I did well, and ended up getting back home. And yeah, that's kind of the history of the last visit with Victor Marx.
The Missing Fold AR and the ATF Trace
Candace Owens: So I want to also interject that in this same timeline, you did have one of your Fold ARs go missing, and it's just relevant to bring this forward. You went out to sell an AR — I want to get the timeline right. This is June of 2024?
Corby Hall: Okay. So that one was June 2024. That was an online purchase that we shipped to a gun store in Texas.
Candace Owens: Okay. And not in person. It was for a police officer down in Texas.
Corby Hall: And he gave you the case number or the report number.
Candace Owens: Yeah. When the incident happened, he didn't call me. But on July the 4th, it was stolen.
Corby Hall: Purchased it in June. We shipped it to his gun shop in late June. And on July 4th, it was stolen in Midland out of his vehicle. He notified the Midland Police Department, took a report, serial number, and a report number.
Candace Owens: So he didn't give you that report number right away?
Corby Hall: Not during then. It was only a few weeks ago.
Candace Owens: Okay. So you actually didn't know that it had been stolen until a couple of weeks ago.
Corby Hall: No. After the ATF. I got the ATF trace on September the 10th.
Candace Owens: Okay. So just to kind of get our ducks in a row here — June 2024, it's an online sale going to a police officer in Texas. The police officer does not inform you, but gets the gun stolen from him in Midland, Texas. The story is — which you'll find out later — his window was open or something while he went into the gas station, someone grabbed it, and he called the local police and filed a report for this missing gun. You actually did not find out right away. You did not know at all that this gun was missing or had been stolen until what next happens is on the day that Charlie was killed.
Corby Hall: Right.
Candace Owens: That's an interesting thing. I thought you found out immediately. Okay, that's interesting. So on September 10th, you get this email from the ATF, which is performing what's called an ATF trace. What I've explained to my audience is that when they do this trace, it's because this weapon has popped up typically in a crime and they're trying to trace the gun — who's the manufacturer, who sold the gun, whose hands have crossed it. Am I describing that correctly?
Corby Hall: Right.
Candace Owens: And you have 24 hours to respond to this email. So you instantly respond. Obviously, this is now on the morning of Charlie Kirk's assassination, which is definitely interesting. It definitely piqued your interest — okay, I get this trace and suddenly this gun that I think is all good and belongs to a police officer in Texas is coming up in an ATF trace.
I did not realize this when you first told me the story. I thought the police officer had instantly informed you. So you're thinking, that's kind of weird. I now know that this gun is potentially being used in a crime. What happened to this gun? You contact the person that you sold it to — a police officer.
Corby Hall: Much later. About a month ago from today.
Candace Owens: So very recently. Because it's just kind of in the back of your mind — that was a weird thing, and I don't know why this would be involved in a crime at all because I sold it to a police officer. Feels kind of safe.
And at that moment, did you leave a message on his phone when you called, or did he pick up instantly?
Corby Hall: He picked up instantly.
Candace Owens: Okay. And he told you the story of, "Oh, actually, that's so funny that you say that." You ask him, "Hey, did the ATF call you?" He tells you the ATF did not call him. They called — well, emailed — you. They did not email him or trace anything with him. How weird. What actually happened was, "I actually lost that gun at a gas station because somebody took it from me. I called the police." And then he gives you the report number after you hang up the phone.
Corby Hall: Yeah. He sent it in a text message.
Candace Owens: Okay. And we can show that text message. You feel confident when you're talking to him that he's telling you the truth?
Corby Hall: Yeah, I felt like he was telling the truth.
Candace Owens: Okay. I will say I had trouble with the story. I go off of vibe sometimes. And for me, when I heard the story of a police officer calling the police — police officers tend to be embarrassed if they get something taken from them. They get all proud and, "Well, I'm going to hunt this guy." They're kind of excessive when it happens to them. I found it even more unusual — and again, I'm speculating here — but I'm just familiar with Midland. It's incredibly wealthy because of the oil. And I thought it was very strange that a gas station wouldn't have cameras. You had asked him about that. What was the reason he told you the cameras weren't facing the right way or didn't have footage?
Corby Hall: Yeah, I think it did have cameras and he did go in and check, but they couldn't see the visual of it at the angle the vehicle was parked. But he didn't tell me too much about that.
Candace Owens: Yeah. I struggled with that a little bit. I'm going to be honest. It's a gas station in a wealthy area. I just felt that would not be too likely. And then also just a lot of unlikely things happened there. But I did say I have not had the time yet to reach out, which I'm going to do.
There's something about it that just instantly strikes me as very odd. And I don't know this, so I'll ask you the question. In that typical scenario, shouldn't they have done the trace on him first? So they do the trace on the manufacturer, then it went to a gun store, and then that gun store would tell them, "Okay, we sold it to this person. Here's their phone number and address." Did the gun store — did you call the gun store?
Corby Hall: No, I didn't.
Candace Owens: Okay. So that's something that could definitely be chased down. I'm definitely going to take a look into that. I do find that to be — as you did — just, oh, that's kind of precise timing. And it also is sort of — I don't know, just a lot going on in that timeline in 2024. So we'll see.
But that definitely was of interest to me. Just a lot of planes were coming out of Texas that day in general, I think, is why it kind of also flagged me as weird — just looking into the Charlie Kirk assassination and things of that nature. And then kind of this weird connection with Victor's trying to get these guns from you in that time frame for different things, and he's giving you the Haiti spiel. But now I'm in contact with someone from Haiti who knows Victor Marx, and it's getting even more interesting.
I don't think anybody really knows Victor Marx. That person shared with me messages. I was surprised to learn that his backstory about being abused by his dad — his dad being named Karl Marx — I guess it was right there, but I didn't know that Karl Marx was Jewish. This Karl Marx's dad — that was something that came across in text messages that were given to me. That he's quite defensive about Israel. He similarly got real serious with this other individual who is interested in speaking out — who was his liaison to Jimmy Barbecue in Haiti — and similarly this person did some one-off comment about Israel and he met a different Victor Marx, who was like, "What if I told you my dad's Jewish? And don't ever say that ever again."
So there's a lot that's compelling to me. And something that I hadn't shared before with my audiences is that Charlie Kirk stopped speaking to Victor Marx entirely. Their relationship — I mean, like, they unfollowed each other. I've spoken to several people about this. They didn't know what the falling out was about, but there was a very big falling out between Charlie and Victor Marx.
Candace Owens: Do you know what time frame?
Corby Hall: Well, it all had to happen in the same season, because Victor Marx was not in it. I don't know the time frame. I will find out. He had completely stopped talking to him. They had stopped following each other.
Candace Owens: And I'm wondering — how then was his wife so close to Eileen and Victor that that's one of the first people she wants to hug and connect with after the assassination? And he also happened to be the first person that we can find who announced that Charlie Kirk was dead and then removed that video. I just find that to be really interesting. And hopefully we will get some answers from Victor Marx about what his falling out was with Charlie Kirk, if that was ever patched up. Actually, I don't know if it was.
His relationship with Erika makes me uncomfortable given the fact that I had already arrived at a question mark about the Egyptian planes. My thesis was that they were trafficking weapons, based off of the pattern over three years beginning in the same time frame that you're discussing in 2023. And she happens to have a proximity to a lot of pastors that have interesting pasts and presents, and always a finger on trafficking charities. And I don't find that to be coincidental.
And I just don't think it's possible that everybody can be doing charity in the same way for orphanages and wanting to stamp out human trafficking. The Jimmy Barbecue story was interesting because of also Tim Ballard and Operation Underground Railroad. I had interviewed him, had heard the story, totally fell for the story that he was helping these victims, and then he arrived in a massive scandal where people were saying, "No, that's not actually what he was doing overseas." So it's another piece I need to put together.
But there just sort of seems to be a lot of these connecting themes — "my heart's in the right place, I'm doing charity, I'm protecting orphanages." And I think there potentially could be more here. And I think the biggest theme, and the one that's the most upsetting in listening to your story, is this faux faith. It feels like the entire world was given this retooling prayer, so to speak, after Charlie died. I feel like we went through that publicly — where suddenly we're being told this is all God-ordained, this is who you have to follow, this is who you need to listen to, and if you question this, you've got demons on you. I think your story was a microcosm of what we have seen happen since Charlie passed away.
And I find the manner in which he dealt with you to be sort of the manner in which Turning Point, the stage, everything they have dealt with us publicly — like, this is what God has ordained and nobody should question this. And yet we all feel the darkness. Everyone collectively feels a darkness there, outside of the little bubble of the mainstream media that's trying to conduct the retooling prayer on us.
I want to say that you are what you perceived in February and April — that faith is being manipulated, and it is not for light forces. It is for dark forces. People are going to feel that. And I felt so seen when I was reading your story and realizing what we're actually looking at here is dark psychiatry. This is manipulative.
DARVO and Psychological Manipulation
Candace Owens: You had used the term when we were discussing this — which I think many people are familiar with — which is DARVO. Do you want to talk about what DARVO is in case they're not?
Corby Hall: Well, yeah. This is something I just learned over the past few days. DARVO stands for Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender. So the perpetrator denies what you're accusing him of, he attacks you, and then he reverses the roles of victim and accuser.
Candace Owens: And when I say that we are going through this on a large scale — it was exactly my experience with Turning Point after — when you walked in tonight, I was on the phone with actually the president of the Turning Point USA chapter at the University of Georgia. She said there had just been this situation where Erika wasn't going because of the crowd size. She said that was it — the crowd size. We told them it wasn't going to be a big crowd. We had communicated this to them the entire time that people didn't want to go. Conservatives didn't want to go because they don't like Erika. And they told us to keep going, keep going. And then Erika abandons that commitment at the last moment. And they get on stage and blame the world. You didn't show up for your commitment and now you're telling the world that she had death threats — and that wasn't true. And the students are resigning. She's resigning her post. And she said she experienced exactly the same psychological tactics.
There needs to be a broader discussion about that. There's a really unhealthy cell here that's building with faith. It's not really faith. It's a cult. I think it's actually a cult in practice. I think if you actually spoke to a priest about everything that happened — I was watching an interview with Father Ripperger. I don't know if you got to see that.
Corby Hall: I did. Yeah.
Candace Owens: Incredible. It was incredible to hear him speak about some of those things.
I want to pivot to this weapon story though, because talking about everyone in Erika's orbit — I had just covered that her mother similarly was trying to buy, or get involved with, the patent for another gun company. A unique gun company — which could hold different bullet types in each chamber, with different rifling in each cylinder. Which is super unique.
And when I said that to you upstairs, you said, "That's very interesting." Your gun can fold. This gun would be the first to do this. And Lori was having this meeting — it ended up not panning out — but she and Erika showed up and they were interested in this company, or this patent rather, which wasn't actually manufactured. And I thought, what is it about these super unique guns that they're interested in? I would like to hear your perspective. And to talk about September 10th, because I think if there was a shot fired, could it have been closer? Could somebody have had it in their backpack? Again, we're surmising here. We are totally not saying this is how it went down, but it certainly makes for a compelling conversation.
Ballistics and the Charlie Kirk Assassination
Corby Hall: So that — I got to see a video rendition of what the product you're talking about looks like. It looks like a revolver and it seemed to have multiple chambers that each have different calibers built into it. Typically that would be like a handgun style firearm, but you could extend the cylinder out further and put a stock on it, and then it could be configured as some kind of shoulder-fired weapon. In theory, you could have up to 10 or 15 or more different calibers in it. I've never seen that product in the marketplace.
Candace Owens: He did secure the patent. Three years it took, but he's got the patent for it.
Corby Hall: I would say this. The Fold AR has several unique features to it. One being that it can fold obviously, and the other that is not so obvious is the quick-change barrel system. With just a push of a pin, you can take the entire barrel system off and swap it with a different barrel system of a different length or caliber. In the case of the AR-15, the most common calibers are 5.56 or .223 — same caliber there — and 300 Blackout. We sell proportionately about 60% the 5.56 and maybe 40% 300 Blackout.
So it's very common. And the ballistics report of the shooting says 30 caliber — that doesn't necessarily mean .30-06. It could be a number of 30-caliber cartridges, which is the .30-inch diameter. It could be any number of different cartridges, but all 30 caliber. And so that matches a 300 Blackout profile.
In my opinion, why certain countries would want a barrel-system-changeable rifle — it's twofold. One is for assassinations. Here's the scenario — again, speculation. I'm not hanging my hat on this. We don't see much evidence. We see a few things. But the scenario is: you have a backpack, you have a rifle that fits in it. It would not necessarily have to be a Fold AR — there are some other models where you can take the barrel off with different means, but they're not very popular. In the case of a Fold AR, you could have the folded rifle in a backpack and another barrel system in it. You get to a shooting position, take the rifle out, unfold it, latch it, take your shot, fold it, pop the pin, take that barrel system off, grab the other barrel system that's in the backpack, connect it to the receiver set, throw the freshly shot barrel system back in the backpack wrapped in a towel. And you either leave the gun there and take the backpack and the towel and the barrel system with you and jump off a building, or you put it all back together in the backpack and go put the entire unit somewhere else.
The reason behind that: if you want to get away with an assassination, you shoot a bullet out of one barrel system, then swap it over to another, and your bullet profile doesn't match. As long as you get one of those components out of the mix, then you're effectively scot-free.
Candace Owens: Let me ask you a question. One of the things obviously that's been the biggest discoveries in this is that the bullet didn't go through. So this is why people really struggled with the .30-06, because it would take down a moose. Is any 30-caliber scenario different — as someone who's not familiar with different bullets and what they can do?
Corby Hall: So there's a lot of schools of thought around this and I'm not a ballistics expert — I'm a compact weapons expert on the AR platform. But I do know that 300 Blackout, especially a subsonic round, has a much higher probability of not going through than a .30-06.
Candace Owens: Can I ask what a subsonic is?
Corby Hall: Subsonic is usually charged with a lesser burning powder, and so it'll travel ideally below the sound barrier — around 950 feet per second, plus or minus depending on temperature, elevation, all that.
Candace Owens: And so, literally subsonic — below the speed of sound.
Corby Hall: Yeah. A lot of people can tell the difference right off the bat between subsonic and supersonic. Also, there were speakers there. There's one theory that they played a sound that was different while another one escaped. There are a thousand different theories out there, but people would be able to tell a difference between a subsonic — that's the main point.
I'll just describe the most likely ballistic profile that I would be looking at for this type of scenario. I haven't even seen pictures. I saw the immediate aftermath in those videos, but we haven't seen the body. So just again — if there was no exit and there was a fragment of the bullet found in the body, and I think I heard somewhere that there were other lead fragments found inside — what you're looking at is potentially a subsonic 300 Blackout that perhaps wasn't shot with a suppressor installed on it, did not go through, and separated when it hit. A piece of the jacket coming off and separating.
Again though, if there is no exit wound, you're going to find all the bullet fragments inside. You'll be able to weigh it and tell exactly — or pretty close — how much that bullet originally weighed after you get all the pieces together. So maybe we're not seeing the whole picture. Maybe some fragments did exit somewhere. I don't know. But I could see a 300 Blackout doing that. Even a supersonic Blackout could possibly still remain completely inside the body and separate and not penetrate through. .30-06 though — I've had a guy, a marine sniper, who said he's seen all kinds of crazy stuff. He could envision a .30-06 possibly doing that, but in the neck —
Candace Owens: Yeah, that's the problem. It's the neck.
Corby Hall: Yeah. Very unlikely. But I've seen crazy stuff before.
Candace Owens: People have sent me pictures of them — like, dad accidentally shot himself. It actually ricocheted off a tree and hit him and went through both of his legs. So it slowed down. And they sent me one — a guy was in the hospital. "I just wanted you to see what a .30-06 did to me. I was on a hunting trip, had an accident." And like, these people almost lost their ability to walk. And this is the leg. So much more — like, a neck is just — that was kind of the other thing. If it was the chest, I think people could have been like, okay, maybe. But the neck.
Corby Hall: I do want to ask you a question. When you sell your guns, does every barrel option come with it?
Candace Owens: No, they'll usually just buy one version. Occasionally they'll get a barrel system with a different caliber along with the purchase.
Corby Hall: Okay. And may I ask — regarding that Texas purchase where the gun went missing, which barrel option was it?
Candace Owens: That was 5.56 — otherwise known as .223.
Corby Hall: Okay. Okay, that's very interesting. So that's actually smaller than 30.
Candace Owens: So that'll move a lot faster. And that was a 16-inch barrel .223. Velocities are going to be up in the 3,000 feet per second range. With most ammo, that's going to punch right through and not even expand much and just poke a hole, unless it hit bone. But there's all kinds of different ammunition.
Corby Hall: Wait, sorry. When you say it's going to go right through — do you mean like a .30-06 goes through?
Candace Owens: No, .30-06 is just — it's expanding quickly, it's got a lot more energy, bigger diameter. I would say within two inches of neck, it's already — not even like the middle — which is where he was hit. A normal .30-06 is just going to plow right through.
Corby Hall: I think they knew that. I think they were never planning on showing up.
Candace Owens: And even still, if the jacket did separate quickly and didn't just mushroom in and stay intact — depending on the bullet design, even if it did separate, those pieces after they separate, some of them are going to exit. Even if one of them hits bone and then travels back down like they said — possible. But the other piece is going to shoot out somewhere.
Corby Hall: Yeah. And it just didn't at all.
Candace Owens: Yeah. So I would say this. With a 300 Blackout on an inclined roof angle, a subsonic 300 Blackout round — another interesting thing to think about: typical gun ranges, you're going to zero your rifle at either 100 yards or 25 yards. Doesn't have to be the case, but that's typically what you do with your scope. So let's say you zero it at 100 yards. Well, when you're now at 150 yards, your bullet's going to drop. If it's a subsonic round, it may drop 10 to 12 inches, maybe 8 inches, maybe 14 inches — but it's going to drop adding that extra 50 yards. And then you have the incline factor. So you're shooting kind of downhill and it's not going to drop as much. You're shooting flat. If it's let's just say an average of 10 inches it drops — the incline, it's going to drop maybe seven or six inches even.
Corby Hall: Yeah. I'm not convinced that shot came from that Losi Center building. Well, so if it did, and you had a 300 Blackout that was zeroed at 100, then it's very reasonable that it would hit in the neck if aiming exactly for the head.
Candace Owens: Yeah. I tell you what, it's a much more believable story than the one that we're getting. I will say that.
Closing Reflections
Candace Owens: So I mean, this is all just so fascinating to hear your story and I think it gives us a lot to think about. I certainly have, as I've said, I'm happy to have Victor on this podcast and to allow him to tell more about his life story, which I think many people have found parts of to be unbelievable. I do think he's a crazy person. I will say that for sure — just on the basis of the story you're telling me, the retooling prayer. I think he's wildly manipulative. I think he's probably involved in a cult, in the occult. That's what all of that sounds like to me. And it is, like I said, dark psychiatry for sure.
And I do think that right off the bat, you were a victim of that. He targeted you for purposes that had very little to do with faith and more to do with the product that you had. And it's a piece — I think the person who wrote the piece and has been working on your story, Corey Kennedy, did a very good job when she described it as a mosaic. We're looking at a very large mosaic. A lot of players are involved, all kind of using the same tools, manipulating people, attacking people, making them think that they're not doing right by God — which is the wildest piece of the manipulation. It's the darkest piece of the manipulation. If you don't serve me, if you don't do this for me, you're not doing right by God. And putting themselves in positions of power over people's lives, and just learning those points — where can they push? Where is this person vulnerable? What are they the most scared of? Well, then I know how to put them more firmly under my thumb.
Corby Hall: Okay. I would bring up a topic. On Israel — I'm not against Israel. I don't have some beef against the IDF. I don't have a beef against the people of Israel. I don't have a beef against Jews. With Victor claiming that he's Jewish, that doesn't matter to me. Israel is believers in Christ. Replacement theology is not the thing. Dispensationalism is not it. It's right in the middle. It's fulfillment. Jesus Christ fulfilled. And so we are supposed to still treat everybody, no matter what ethnicity they are, no matter what country they're from, with the love and respect that Jesus Christ gave us instruction to do so.
I like the idea of protecting the nation of Israel just as it would be any other nation. However, offensively, no. Defensively, yeah. But we crossed the line. And what I see happening is the fulfillment of prophecy. I think we've got a condition set where we're about to throw down Israel, and that's equally as dangerous.
Did you see what Trump read today in the Bible?
Candace Owens: I have not seen that yet. I've been working all day.
Corby Hall: It's a national call for repentance. And when you look at what was read today, you combine it with the story of Solomon — that's where this chapter, this set of verses, is coming from. They're preparing to build the third temple. Just look into that. And I've been looking into Freemasonry and their obsession with Solomon's temple, Solomon's ring. That is what the flag of Israel is.
Candace Owens: I will look into that. I did not see it, so I will say that.
Corby Hall: Yeah. It's an interesting one. And you can see what's guiding Trump is sort of this dark theology right now. He's not really concerned about anything other than something that he thinks is a higher calling. I think that's what it feels like to all of us — where it doesn't seem like he cares about what happens to us one way or the other. There's something higher that he's serving. I don't think it's higher, to be clear. I think it's lower.
But the story of Hosea is a really good example. Hosea was instructed to go marry a prostitute, and that prostitute represented Israel. Hosea represented God, or Jesus. He did it, and Gomer ended up doing what a prostitute does and ran off and got captured again. And Hosea, in obedience, went and bought her out of bondage. So he still loved his wife who had disobeyed. It's the same situation with the Jews or Israel — they've rejected Christ, but God does still have his arms open. The promise is still there. The old covenant is not there, but the new covenant is there for them. And so in that manner, all of Israel will be saved. All believers in Christ will be saved. So we've got to keep that in mind when we see the synagogue of Satan — that's just a small portion of Israel.
Candace Owens: Yeah. You hold the perspective of most true Christians — you want everyone to be saved. We want everyone to find Christ. And we also want people to not be distracted by those who are saying they're doing things in Christ's name that are actually taking you down an entirely different path.
I think your awakening — that you started to have about, wait, what is this? — I know Charlie was going through that in the end. Charlie was looking up and wondering what the heck was around him, who these people were. We had had those conversations about the manipulation, about the moral blackmail, about what I had described to him — it's like a gang, actually. It's a gang, and they're imparting spiritual warfare. And so I do think in the end he had clarity on a lot and was fighting for himself and fighting for truth and realizing what is real. I know that. I know that Charlie was recognizing that. And I don't believe he died in vain, because we're seven months into this thing. Seven and a half months in, and I wake up every day and he's still a national conversation.
Corby Hall: Yeah. And it's an international conversation. And he still loved Israel — just not the things that his — he knew that what they were doing didn't work anymore. And the reasons he was being told it was fine — that wasn't okay anymore.
Candace Owens: And yeah, it's exactly what you went through. I think exactly what I went through. And so there's no hatred on our part — which, no matter how many times they try to psychologically convince us that it is an act of hate to notice things that are wrong, that are plainly wrong, that we can see with our own eyes.
Corby Hall: Yeah.
Candace Owens: I think we have covered so much here. And I just want to thank you for opening this conversation to everybody. I think this is going to send people down a lot of different rabbit holes. I know for me, I definitely want to chase that Fold AR that went missing.
Corby Hall: I think it's a divine point in the right direction.
Candace Owens: Yeah. And it could be nothing, but it is saying, look this direction. You felt it. I have a question. There may be an answer there. Sometimes you go somewhere and it's nothing, but we've got to try it. I feel like we have to do all that stuff for Charlie, you know, just to keep looking.
Corby Hall: Thank you.
Candace Owens: Thank you so much.