Candace Owens continues her Epstein series, covering the Maxwell family, Elie Wiesel, and Brigitte Macron
Candace Owens presents Episode 2 of her Epstein Files series on her podcast.
Summary
Candace Owens continues her multi-part investigation into the Epstein files, focusing in this episode on the Maxwell family network. She opens with an extended account of Niklaus Gruner, a Hungarian Holocaust survivor who claims that Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel was an impostor who stole the identity of his camp friend Lazar Wiesel — a claim Gruner pursued through courts and documented in his book Stolen Identity. Owens connects Elie Wiesel to Robert Maxwell as his cousin, and uses this to frame Betty Maxwell's lifelong Holocaust documentation work — including her commissioning of Martin Gilbert's Atlas of the Holocaust through Pergamon Press — as part of a coordinated influence operation. She also reports that author Xavier Poussard has been sued by Brigitte Macron for cyber harassment via a criminal complaint filed in Italy, with Owens herself receiving an honorable mention in the complaint; Owens notes that Macron's US counsel has sent demands for an apology and retractions directed at Owens, though no formal lawsuit has yet been filed against her in the United States. She closes by expressing skepticism toward the Trump administration's release of MLK files and Pam Bondi's announced meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell, characterizing both as distractions from the Epstein files.
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Opening News: Brigitte Macron Sues Xavier Poussard
Candace Owens: Happy Tuesday, and listen up, because it's official. Xavier Poussard, the author of Becoming Brigitte, has officially been sued by Brigitte Macron — and it's for cyber bullying. Cyber bullying, huh? And in the official report that she's filed with the police, I get an honorable mention. So I'm going to tell you all about that.
Also, the Trump administration is all over the place right now. They're like, "Look over here — the MLK files, we're releasing them today. Look over here — have you guys been following the Bryan Kohberger stabbings in Idaho? Yeah, well, we're demanding answers." Look everywhere but over there. I don't know, guys. It's starting to feel like they're saying a lot of words — a lot of words — to really just come out and say that they want us to move on from Jeffrey Epstein. And here's the thing: no. Just no. So today we continue our series looking into the Epstein files.
Niklaus Gruner: A Holocaust Survivor's Story
So look, this is going to be controversial. My podcast is controversial, but I've got to tell you a story, and you are going to want to listen to this.
It's a story about a young Hungarian boy before the end of the war. He and his family, along with 17,000 other terror-stricken Hungarians, were forcefully made to commute into a camp which would later come to be known as Auschwitz. Miklós was transferred alongside his brother, his mother, his father, and almost as soon as they arrived, he recounts that his mother and his younger brother were separated from him and eventually killed very quickly. He also recounts how he and his father were then made to shave their heads. They were given white tags with black numbers made out of cloth. Later on, he would tell that from that day forward he lost his identity. He was no longer Miklós. He became a number. That number was A7711.
They were made to change into working clothes and eventually had those numbers tattooed upon their skin. Eventually, because of the working conditions, his father grew too weak. It was just the most insane things that they were made to endure every day physically. And so his father says to his son, "Look, I'm not going to make it. I'm not going to survive the labor of this camp, but I want you to make me a promise." I'm paraphrasing here, but he makes Miklós promise him that if Miklós ever makes it out of the camp, he wants him to commit himself to telling the world the truth regarding what they suffered.
What happens next is that his father is then selected to be exterminated because he's no use — he's too weak. And Miklós says that he felt his entire body and his soul were then just worn out from this news. He then goes and he finds two other inmates who had befriended his father throughout this time, and their names were Abraham and Lazar. Abraham had the number A7712 tattooed upon him and Lazar had the number A7713 tattooed upon him. The two brothers made a promise to Miklós that they would take care of him in his father's absence. And sure enough, his father was then killed. But the three of them were now a band of brothers.
Months later, they were informed that the Russians had managed to break through. And in January of 1945, the order came in that it was time to leave Auschwitz. Now, those who didn't have the strength to make the journey — which was going to be a very long walk, 30 kilometers in the snow — they would be left to die. They either were going to make that walk or they weren't. Like I said, through snow and through the cold. And then what happens is 30 kilometers later, they're crammed onto trains. Many of them die from various ailments until finally those that survive that long journey arrive at Buchenwald, a different camp. It was there that Miklós is reunited with Lazar. And he learns, unfortunately, that Lazar's brother Abraham did not make the journey — was not strong enough.
Here's what happens next. Days later, they are liberated by US soldiers. Now, Americans listening to this, we know this story. We know the story of liberation. It is on the fourth day of liberation that American soldiers rush into block number 57, where both Lazar and Miklós are bunked, and the American soldiers take a photo. It would become one of the most famous photos ever captured of Liberation Day. You've probably seen this photo before.
After a medical exam, he again loses track of his friend Lazar. Miklós is diagnosed with tuberculosis and he begins a long road to recovery. He gets treated in Switzerland, and he would later recount how it really took him years to treat the psychological effects, having to adapt to normal behavior again in the world.
The Meeting in Stockholm: Niklaus Gruner and Elie Wiesel
Fast forward 45 years later, and it's 1986, and a man named Elie Wiesel is awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for his work documenting the atrocities that he survived at Auschwitz. He had told the world that he was one of the inmates in the now-famed liberation photo. So Miklós, who is now going by the name Niklaus — like Nicholas — begins receiving all these phone calls from journalists asking if he would like to meet up with his old inmate from Buchenwald, Elie Wiesel. A newspaper editor says, "Hey, we will even fly you to the Grand Hotel in Sweden for this reunion. We want to capture this reunion."
And he's on the phone, and Niklaus is a bit confused. He's going, "Uh — Elie Wiesel?" The newspaper editor informs him that Elie Lazar Wiesel was due to receive the Nobel Prize and that they would arrange that meeting for him to see his old friend on December 14th at the Grand Hotel. Suddenly he is overcome with joy. I mean, can you imagine — having survived that, you have lost touch, it's now some 40-plus years later — he recounts that he felt joy and he felt honor.
Four days later, his flight is booked and he soon boards that plane to Stockholm, where he recounts that he is thinking deeply on the plane about what he's going to say to this guy. Man, I haven't seen him in so many years. What can I tell Lazar? What can we give one another, having survived this unique experience? And then finally, he says, the flight went by so quickly he hardly remembers it. Then finally, that moment arrived for them to meet in the Grand Hotel.
I'm going to quote him directly now. He writes:
"After about 10 minutes waiting, the door opened and, beyond expectation, in came a man of my own age heading towards me with a smile on his face, saying hello. I returned the smile, but I did not know to whom I was smiling at. The question regarding a handshake was hanging in the air. I made a quick move in reaching out with an attempt to shake hands with him, to say hello to him, and I finished up saying, 'Delighted to see you.' He said, 'Elie.' I asked him, in half Yiddish and half English, what language he would prefer to speak in. 'Yiddish,' I said. He replied, 'No.' Then I asked him if Hungarian would suit him better, and he said, 'I can't speak Hungarian.' 'Okay,' I said. 'Then we'll take it in English.' And he opened up conveying regards from a rabbi living in Israel who was previously stationed in Sweden. His part of the performance started in front of the cameras, which I would say was professionally carried out. He was a master of his job."
He's referring, of course, to Elie.
"All of a sudden, the reporter and the photographer joined the conversation, asked if we knew one another from before. I said no, and Elie agreed with my statement."
Elie then hands him a signed copy of his book, Night.
Niklaus Gruner is completely gobsmacked. He soon realizes that he's been set up as a moment of profound propaganda for this stranger who is not the Lazar he was in the camp with. Anyways, he leaves and he begins reading the book Night, and soon after realizes that that man Elie is not only an impostor, but he's also a fraud. He reads the book and is shocked at the stories that he is telling — stories that, he says, certainly didn't happen while he was there.
He writes:
"I had never seen — referring to Auschwitz — or even come close to ditches burning with open fire where people or children could be seen burning on my way to the washroom in Auschwitz, as written in Night by Elie Wiesel. Neither was it possible for boys of my age and with a weight of only 25 kilos to chase and to rape German women in Weimar as claimed in Night, after the continual treatment of bromide used to minimize our sexual desires at night."
Elie also recounts how he, a 15-year-old Hungarian boy, threw out his Hungarian passport in front of the guards close to the Polish-Ukrainian border. Niklaus laughed at that part because, as he writes:
"It would have immediately led to death, especially then, if a Hungarian passport was even in the hands of a Jewish boy in Hungary. Not to mention that a boy of 15 years was still counted as a child and was therefore entered into his father's passport if he had one. Furthermore, according to my knowledge, a Hungarian passport was protected by law against abuse, and improper treatment would lead to a very heavy fine. Besides, one had to be at least 23 years old to hold a passport then."
Niklaus Gruner's Campaign to Expose Elie Wiesel
Niklaus then spends the rest of his life dedicated to exposing this fraud — Elie Wiesel — who he claims stole the identity of his friend, eventually culminating in a book by Niklaus entitled Stolen Identity. He reveals that Elie doesn't even have a tattoo. Hungarian news would confirm that. Multiple pictures show Elie wearing short sleeves — he doesn't have a tattoo, which was required, at least according to Niklaus, for all of the inmates to have.
He goes through lawsuits. He's suing the Hungarian government. He starts to believe that there was some conspiracy to platform this guy. He sues rabbis for libel. When I say he dedicates the rest of his life to exposing this Nobel Prize winner as a fraud, that's exactly what he did.
And then he says he's not surprised because when Elie Wiesel eventually dies, they bury him very quickly — very quickly, too quickly. And he says, "Yeah, they did that because if journalists had been allowed in to see his body, they would have noted that he did not have a tattoo." This guy stole the identity of a Holocaust survivor.
Elie Wiesel's Connection to the Maxwell Family
So who is this Elie Wiesel who allegedly steals this identity — who steals identities, no less — and then makes up these stories, which by the way it is confirmed that he fictionalized stories in his book Night? Well, as I told you guys before, Elie Wiesel was the cousin of Robert Maxwell — a man of many names, as we told you before, a man of many identities. And therefore, Elie Wiesel becomes a very curious piece of the Epstein story.
Betty Maxwell: The Iron-Willed Matriarch
Now enter Ghislaine Maxwell's mother — that's how this connects. Again, this is Robert Maxwell's wife. I'm going to tell you about her. She is known as Betty. She was born on March 11th, 1921, in Saint-Alban-de-Roc, in France. Her full name is Elizabeth Jenny Jeanne Meynard. And she comes from wealth. She comes from a Lyon line of silk-weaving industrialists, which were founded by her ancestor, a Swiss Calvinist merchant named Samuel Débar.
Now, Elizabeth Meynard would go on in her life to explain how this mixed marriage — obviously she was a Calvinist Christian and he was a Jew — and how the religious question arose between them as soon as they met. And she says that Robert Maxwell was relieved that she was a Protestant and not a Catholic. She writes that it seemed to have relieved him because, on the whole, Protestants were not anti-Semitic, but the Catholics were.
So the story goes that she then commits herself to learning Hebrew and she really throws herself into Robert Maxwell's ancestry and, of course, therefore the Holocaust.
Now, I should tell you that Robert Maxwell was not the only fraud in the Maxwell clan, because after his exceedingly well-timed death, his wife opted to sit down for a very long, rather dramatic interview with Vanity Fair. It's entitled "The Sinking of Captain Bob." And she kind of gloriously arrives sitting in one of their mansions. I'm going to read directly from this article because I love this. I like to picture her just very dramatic.
The reporter writes: "She was sitting on the edge of a chintz-covered love seat, sipping tea, and staring at me over the rim of her cup with her cool teal-blue eyes. We were talking about how the whole of British society seemed to be gloating over the fall of the House of Maxwell. Some newspapers reported that Betty Maxwell had closed her Oxford mansion — with its soaring stained-glass window depicting Maxwell as Samson at the gates of Gaza — and absconded to her thatched-roof chateau near Buraк in the southwest of France. But in fact, the iron-willed matriarch of the Maxwell family was still living in her adopted land, shuttling from lawyer to lawyer in an effort to unravel the tangled skein of her husband's financial affairs and to salvage whatever she could of her own inheritance."
Elsewhere in the interview, she declares: "They say that I have 500,000. Those are lies. I haven't anything."
Oh, really? We're going to fact-check that.
Betty Maxwell's Hidden Wealth
The truth is that Betty was not broke. She did not have nothing. She was not broke at all. She'll never know a day in her life of what it means to be broke.
As Xavier Poussard reveals in his forthcoming book about Epstein, despite the generally accepted story that after insurers refused to pay out the life insurance for her husband — because it was assumed he had committed suicide — Elizabeth wrote a book called Tout le Soleil est Amer, which means "All the Sun is Bitter," about her chaotic family life. She also recounts how Ghislaine Maxwell, her daughter, had been treated for anorexia like a laboratory rat, and so on. And yeah, it was told that those book sales allowed the family to survive.
But the truth, as revealed in part by the Financial Times in 1992, is that she also inherited three apartments in France. It's also revealed years later that the will happened to include multiple properties given to her as well as hectares of land and forests that Robert Maxwell had acquired in his wife's name before he disappeared — or committed suicide, or whatever we're supposed to believe. And beyond that, it would be discovered that a financial war chest had been sheltered away for her with the complicity of the Labour Member of Parliament, a guy named Geoffrey Robinson. If you're in the UK, you might be familiar with that name, because he was the former boss of Jaguar — yes, like the car. He was also an ex-Soviet agent who would then go on to become the future Paymaster General under Prime Minister Tony Blair — a very corrupt prime minister — alongside Peter Mandelson. Anyways, the point is that she was far from financially ruined. This was a performance. She was wealthy from the day she was born, up until the day she met Robert Maxwell, through to the day that she died.
Betty Maxwell's Holocaust Advocacy and Publishing Operations
And while she lived, going back to his cousin Elie Wiesel, she rather obsessed herself with documenting the horrors of the Holocaust. In fact, according to Xavier Poussard and various other sources, it was under pressure from Betty that Robert Maxwell — while he was robbing the UK's hardworking people of their pensions — commissioned Churchill's meticulous biographer, a guy named Martin Gilbert, a professor at Harvard, to draw up an Atlas of the Holocaust, which was then published by Pergamon Press in 1988. Remember, Pergamon Press, as we know, was a deep state operation. They sent Robert Maxwell into Germany, he acquires this magazine, renames it Pergamon Press. And yeah, so suddenly they're publishing an Atlas of the Holocaust in 1988, specifically all the places and all the original figures of the persecution.
She also worked with Yad Vashem in Jerusalem to produce a white book of documents pertaining to the Holocaust, again published by Pergamon Press in 1988. In 1987, she then founded the Journal of Holocaust and Genocide Studies, first published by Pergamon Press and then later on by Oxford University Press. And the year following that, in London and in Oxford, she organizes a conference entitled "Remembering for the Future" — a world conference — with the support of course of Robert Maxwell and the enormous resources provided by his media empire, and also with the support of Elie Wiesel and others. It was a symposium that was intended to force the Lambeth Conference — which is the official meeting of the Anglican Church — to repent.
She actually wrote this. This was published in a left-leaning publication. She wrote: "Christians, through their churches and the whole of Christendom, are co-responsible for the Holocaust. I want the studies carried out in the world on the church to be made public. It is a matter of addressing Christians. The problem of the Holocaust is a Christian problem."
She also stated that "Christian teaching, which teaches contempt, has been responsible for anti-Semitism for 2,000 years, and Christians still have not understood it." That statement was published in Libération — again, a left-leaning newspaper in France — on April 28th, 1988. And she also clarified that "the first step for Christians is to recognize their guilt and to ask Jews for forgiveness."
Anyways, in 1995, she then gets invited to be the grand marshal of the Salute to Israel Parade. She leads the procession of the largest demonstration of support for Israel, which is held annually on Fifth Avenue in New York. She's then appointed to become the vice president of the International Council of Christians and Jews.
A lot of that going around, you know — these Christian and Jewish collaborations. And yeah, that's just amazing stuff, you guys. What are we to make of all of this? You've got Robert Maxwell over there robbing pension funds to support Israel — something that we know Epstein is also doing in America. They're lying. So many names are being changed. We now know that his cousin Elie is making up stories about what happened at Auschwitz. And for some reason, he doesn't want to show his number that was supposed to be tattooed.
Later on, this brave guy who's taking him to task — going through courts to establish that this man was a fraud — discovers that he stole a manuscript that was written in Yiddish. He learns that Elie doesn't even speak Yiddish. Elie, who claims that he was Hungarian, born in Romania, had a Hungarian passport, doesn't even speak Hungarian. What's going on, guys?
Robert Maxwell, McGraw-Hill, and American Textbooks
Now, we know that with him they're establishing educational books related to the Holocaust. And speaking of education, this might be a good time to tell you that Robert Maxwell was very interested in the education of upcoming Americans — people like myself. In fact, the year that I was born, in 1989, Robert Maxwell's company, Maxwell Communication Corporation, formed a joint venture with McGraw-Hill. Now, Americans know McGraw-Hill, right? They published all of our textbooks growing up. McGraw-Hill would create the second-largest textbook publishing agency in the United States. Yeah, they did this with Robert Maxwell. Of course, after he then died and the family was thrust into scandal, McGraw-Hill dropped him as their partner. But what was the intention of that partnership? What's this guy — who we know is working for MI6 and making this sort of fake publishing empire — what was the intention of that partnership? To publish textbooks to teach Americans what, exactly? Very interesting, right?
And by the way, we're talking about the deep state and their interest in publishing and purchasing all these magazines and educating us. They weren't the only people interested in having a stake in the education of American minds. Because remember Donald Barr — keep bringing this guy up — credible guy who wrote that fantasy series predicting Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and human trafficking and space relations. Donald Barr, member of the OSS, which would go on to become the CIA. His son William Barr, who says, "Nothing to see here — Jeffrey Epstein's dead. Just, you know, the prison just wasn't doing what they were supposed to be doing that day, and that's how he ended up dead." Yeah. Well, Donald Barr was also interested in educational books. He published educational books as well. Just fascinating to consider — educational books pertaining to our evolution, where we come from, the primitive man, the start of "we were monkeys," describing science for children, atomic energy for children. It's all connected somehow — their interest in science, in republishing science, and in teaching us what is real and what is fake.
The Maxwell Family, Eugenics, and Epstein
Anyways, now it is quite a weird thing. We all have to admit that a family of alleged Holocaust survivors, as the Maxwells were, would commit themselves to causes that were then meant to control birth. It's weird that the Maxwells would want anything to do with Jeffrey Epstein — because he was openly a eugenicist. In 2019, it was revealed that Epstein had planned to "seed the human race" with his DNA by impregnating up to 20 women at a time, using his New Mexico compound as a baby ranch. And also, one of Ghislaine's siblings would marry into the family that created the contraceptive pill. Really? All seems — I don't know — a conflict of interest for Holocaust survivors. I don't know. I digress. I'm not here to form conclusions. I'm just here to tell you the story.
Breaking News: Brigitte Macron Sues Xavier Poussard — and Names Candace Owens
That's probably a good place for us to stop on that thread until we pick up things again tomorrow, because a lot of things are coming together and I'm having a lot of questions that I'll maybe reserve for the book club tonight.
Anyways, you guys — speaking of France and switching gears here to some breaking news — Xavier Poussard, who is also documenting this series with Epstein and has been very good at revealing that there's a lot of perversion at the top of the French government — the biggest thing being that the first lady is a man, right? And a lot of pedophilia keeps happening. Well, guess what? I told you that despite him having to pick up and move his family to Italy, he had received a summons to the Italian police station telling him that they had some documents for him. Well, guess what? He got served.
Yep. Brigitte Macron — this is a tweet from him. He wrote: "Breaking news. Brigitte Macron sues Xavier Poussard for cyber harassment." He goes on to read that, summoned on the 21st of July 2025 to the Milan office of the Division of Investigations, General Investigations and Special Operations — which is the special police in Italy — the author of Becoming Brigitte was told that he would be questioned soon following a complaint by Brigitte Macron for cyber harassment. In the minutes of this complaint, which they have been able to look up, Brigitte Macron tells the commissioner — who exceptionally came to the Élysée Palace — and I quote: "I don't go on a trip abroad without hearing about it. There isn't a spouse of the head of a state who is not aware of the rumor about her trans identity."
Anyways, he goes on to recount that he is in fact being sued for cyber harassment. They were able to get the documents of that person who went to the Élysée Palace to question her about how she was enduring this cyber harassment. Because like I told you, they're now switching gears. They know they can't win a lawsuit for libel because it's the truth, and the truth is a defense. And they're putting themselves at risk because in order to prove that it's libel, you have to prove that it's untrue — and they can't do that. They cannot do that. So instead, she's switching gears and she's going after journalists for cyber harassment laws, which they have in France, which we don't have here in America.
I don't think that she's going to be able to come after me for cyber harassment, but she is trying. And she says this — when that commissioner arrived at the Élysée Palace, on page three out of four, you can see here they're transcribing in English. They ask her, "Have you ever heard of Candace Owens?" And Brigitte says, "Yes, of course. And my counsel in the United States, Mr. Claire, has initiated proceedings against him" — calling me a him — "to demand an apology and public correction or retractions. Otherwise, the proceedings will continue."
Yeah, that's not happening ever. And I have been kind of asking for you to continue those proceedings because it would be pretty interesting. You can't just be suing people down in Tennessee for cyber harassment, for reporting on the truth. I know that you guys have amassed a lot of power in France, which seems to be home to a lot of this grotesque perversion that is happening in the world. Epstein's living there. The Maxwells are living there. Everyone's got a home there — there or in Israel.
It's getting pretty interesting. It's getting pretty spicy. We'll see if she comes after me. But obviously, we're going to continue to report on what's happening to Xavier Poussard. My best guess is the reason that they won't stop is — like I said — it's all tied together. The story of the Maxwells, the story of Epstein, the story of Brigitte Macron and what is going on in France. And this man has been documenting it for years. So they are throwing the kitchen sink at him. We've got to get him some way, somehow — at least distracted — so he's not reporting, so people don't begin to understand what exactly has taken place in this world.
The Trump Administration, Pam Bondi, and the Epstein Distraction
And speaking of drama, there is a drama playing out on Capitol Hill right now. We have Attorney General Pam Bondi saying she's agreed to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell. Yeah. Here's the headline coming out of NBC News: "Deputy Attorney General will meet with Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell." And she says, you know, if there's more to figure out here, we're going to see if we can get to the bottom of it.
This is all fake and you should not accept this. The moment that she should have just gone away — and we could stop listening to Pam Bondi — is the moment when she actually said that she was not sure whether or not Epstein could have been working for another country. Despite the fact that we have testimony in the form of Victor Ostrovsky, who we covered — he defected from the Mossad, wrote a book, gave many speeches speaking about exactly how he worked with Jeffrey Epstein, what his capacity was. It's confirmed that Victor Ostrovsky is not a fraud. He used to work for them. Okay. So yeah, you've got some evidence there. Also, Ari Ben-Menashe saying that yeah, Epstein was brought to us — he was supposed to involve him in weapons dealing, the Iran-Contra affair. You know this, Pam Bondi, because the public knows this. So if you're playing stupid, it means that you are now a part of the swamp. You're part of the deep state. You are covering things up.
And they're trying even more distractions — releasing the MLK files. "Oh, we're going to now look into this. Here's everything. Here's a trove, tens of thousands of documents pertaining to the assassination of MLK." As if we don't already know that the feds shot him. Meant to be a distraction. I actually love that MLK's daughter, Bernice King, tweeted this. Check this out: "Now do the Epstein files."
No one is being distracted, you guys. We all recognize what exactly is happening. And it's a good thing. Stay focused on this because like I said, this is the thread. This is the undoing. This is everybody going to wake up very quickly to the tapestry of deception that has been very carefully woven. Especially my generation — the people that were, I would say, baptized in the liturgy of World War II — now beginning to ask some very important questions which demand answers. And we are not really feeling dissuaded by you crying and saying that we're not allowed to ask these questions. Actually, I would say it's almost further committing us to the cause. What the hell happened? How much have we been lied to? And for how long? And what is this unique, strange, disgusting, perverse relationship that we seem to have with Israel?
Viewer Comments
Candace Owens: Marzy writes: "Did you hear about the guy who threatened to kill people on the Epstein client list? He's being prosecuted by the DOJ." And I thought that was weird because there is no list. Yeah, I actually did hear about this. And then he said, "Oh wait, it's illegal to threaten politicians in the US." Yeah, I have heard about this. Here's the ABC article relating to that. A Florida man made death threats against people who he said were on the list, and so they've arrested him. And people are saying, "Hey, there is no list." So who exactly did he threaten? It is interesting. They are kind of twisting themselves into a pretzel having to explain everything.
Also, Zach Royen writes: "Love your work, Candace. In your interview with E. Michael Jones, he said 'Protestantism comes from Satanism.' I attend a Protestant church. I don't fully align with either side. What's your view on gospel-believing Protestants?"
So obviously you guys know I can't judge, because I was a Protestant not too long ago. And what I would say is I very much accept now, on the other side of this thing, that the more that you study history, the more you move very quickly away from Protestantism, because you start to notice that it has always been hijacked as a political movement. And I hope that in watching this podcast series, as we cover a lot of these topics, you'll start to realize how exactly Protestantism was hijacked for political sake. Certainly while we are covering the topic of Israel, we are seeing all of these churches and these ministers get on stage and say, "Don't listen to Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson." What is that? That obviously shows what has gone on here. And then there are some common sense questions that came online for me where I was just like, "Okay, there are so many different Protestant divisions — clearly they can't all be correct. They can't all be correct." And it just seems to be splitting further and further and further. And the more something becomes divided, I would say, the more evil it becomes, right? We should be aspiring to holiness — holy things that are whole. So there's a lot there.
Regarding E. Michael Jones — that sit-down that we had talking about pornography — we are going to drop that onto Spotify on Friday. It's a very important conversation. E. Michael Jones is on the ADL's list, so I like him immediately because of that. I feel like we actually should be using that list almost as a guide to people that we should be listening to at this point, since the ADL is just known to lie and smear. That's what they exist for. They exist to defame people.
Rose K writes: "Candace, I support Trump on many policies, but he is wrong and lost my support on the Epstein files. Children should always be protected. Crisis King today, tomorrow, and forever. May God bless you in your journey for bringing truth to all."
I totally agree with you. I think he's lost a lot of people. Like I said yesterday, I think he's lost complete control of his movement and now the field is wide open for 2028. I feel that basically getting the kiss from Trump in 2028 is not going to mean what it should mean, right? If Trump's like, "You should totally vote for this person," I think people are going to go, "I can't trust that anymore." That's going to be a figurative kiss of death, because all of us are feeling that this is just crazy — the amount of gaslighting, the lies, trying to make us chase our tails. They're going to open up the grand jury indictment, like they said yesterday. That means nothing. That means absolutely nothing. And he knows it means nothing. So what actually gives? What is Trump on right now? I agree with you.
Lucasley writes: "We do not have cyber bullying laws in the US yet, but I remember that Melania Trump was working on a cyber bullying platform in Trump's first term."
Yes, she was. I don't think anything ever came of it. I don't believe she was definitely trying to pass cyber bullying laws. And so we are still marked safe from that. Although you could say it's getting quite close on college campuses with these speech laws — whether they were doing it for BLM or they're doing it now for Israel. That is always something to pay attention to.
Will Wallace writes: "Pam Bondi, we know you're watching. If there's nothing to be seen, then prove it. Release the nothing files."
Yes, release the nothing files. We would like those nothing files. You're not protecting us. "Oh, it's just way too sinister for you guys to see." We can handle it. Please — we know that's not the reason that you guys are locking things down.
Craigy writes: "Candace, do you believe that Bondi will hide info or suppress info if she does interview Maxwell?"
Yeah, I think all of them are bad-faith actors. I trust nothing out of Ghislaine Maxwell's mouth given the history of her family — the extraordinary history of her family. And yeah, I think all of it, like I said, is just one big show. They are all putting on a performance right now and they will do the absolute most to get us to just stop talking about it, which is why we should not stop talking about it.
Brandon Hamill writes: "Hey Candace, I'm a fellow Connecticut resident. Lived in Stamford my whole life and went to West Hill High School. One of the worst experiences of my life, but I love you so much. Keep doing you."
Shout out to all the Stamford residents. I was Stamford High Black Knights. So yeah, West Hill — you guys were the enemy. The orange and the black versus the purple and gold, I think you guys were. But thank you so much for supporting. I haven't been back in a really long time. It's just hard to fly into Connecticut. That's what the issue is.