Tucker Carlson responds to an IDF soldier smashing a statue of Jesus and interviews a West Bank Christian woman about settler violence
Tucker Carlson presents a solo commentary and interview on Israeli military and settler treatment of Christians, followed by an interview with Alice Kisiya, a Christian Palestinian from the West Bank.
Summary
An IDF soldier filmed smashing a statue of Jesus with a sledgehammer in Lebanon prompts Tucker Carlson to open with an extended commentary arguing the incident is not isolated but part of a consistent pattern of Israeli military desecration of Christian symbols and churches. He criticizes American evangelical leaders and media outlets such as CBN for deflecting scrutiny of these incidents and accuses Mark Levin of grotesquely misrepresenting Christian theology on Fox News to justify support for Israeli military action. The host then interviews Alice Kisiya, a Christian Palestinian woman from near Bethlehem, who describes 15 years of settler violence against her family's land, the demolition of their home and restaurant four times, physical assaults, fraudulent land documents, and what she characterizes as a systematic effort — aided by Christian Zionist organizations — to drive Christians out of the West Bank. She argues that Christian Zionists in the United States are, through their funding and political support, actively facilitating the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Christians from the Holy Land.
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The IDF Sledgehammer Incident
Tucker Carlson: On Sunday, one of the weirdest images of recent times — and there are a lot of weird images — appeared on the internet. We're going to put it up on the screen. It appeared to show an Israeli soldier, an IDF soldier, using a sledgehammer to smash the face of a statue of Jesus.
Now, when people first saw this, we don't have a poll on it or anything, but we can imagine very few thought it was real. For one thing, social media is famously full of manufactured images created for who knows what purpose — mostly political, using AI. They're not real. And this one seemed especially fake because it was supposedly shot in Lebanon, and there is a war going on in Lebanon, and this is an Israeli soldier.
Now, we know a couple of things. One, what's happening in Lebanon is critical to the security of the state of Israel. And we know that because Israel is also partnered with the United States in a war against Iran, which is critical to its national security. Of course, taking out the Iranian nuclear program is essential for the existence of the state of Israel. That's why the United States joined in this war. But in the middle of that, Israel had to take time out to invade southern Lebanon — not just invade, but according to its own defense minister, take over, settle, expel the people, and create a permanent security zone in southern Lebanon below the river.
Now, it had to have been pretty pressing for them to want to do something like this because they had a lot else going on. And it was pressing. Hezbollah — or as it is often known on American television, "Hezbollah," kind of the "Keev" of pronunciations; people who know what they're talking about call it Hezbollah — the Iranian-backed terror militia had been attacking northern Israel from southern Lebanon. And Israel just had no choice but to go in and kill the terrorists.
So, in the face of that kind of threat, you had to ask yourself, looking at this picture, how would an IDF soldier have the time to take a sledgehammer to smash the face of Jesus when he's defending his own country against terror? And so then you had to assume, well, obviously he knows something that we don't know. This so-called statue of Jesus was probably some kind of terror weapon. It was the Hezbollah equivalent of an exploding pager. There were probably C4 charges inside the head of that Jesus statue, and the IDF soldier — a member of the world's most professional, ethical army — was just defusing what could have been incredibly dangerous to the children of Israel. So this was basically yet another necessary step taken in defense of Israel's right to exist.
But then you had to ask yourself, wait a second, why would a soldier smash a statue filled with explosives? That doesn't make any sense. Clearly, he didn't think the thing was going to explode or he wouldn't be hitting it with a sledgehammer. A sledgehammer that you paid for as an American taxpayer, worn by a soldier in a uniform you paid for. In fact, everything that soldier has in his possession you paid for, because the entire IDF is paid for by the United States taxpayer.
So then you think, well, this just can't be real. And of course, that's what they told you right off the bat. This is not real. This is just more terror propaganda. The state of Israel, its many agents in the United States, in our media, on our social media, told you: don't believe it. That's fake. It's AI.
But very quickly it emerged — no, this actually was real. And that raised a whole new set of questions, beginning with: why would an Israeli soldier want to smash the face of Jesus? This is a country we're often told is a safe haven for Christians in the region. In fact, it's the only country in the Middle East where Christians feel safe. Obviously, that's why there are so many happy Christians in Israel and in the territories Israel controls.
Israeli Media's Response to the Incident
Well, before any of those questions could be answered, the Israeli media jumped in with their concerns. Having confirmed it was real, here was the first response from Israeli media:
Israeli Media Presenter: This does not look good at all for the Israelis, and it's going to be circulating online in the US as well. We know who will take advantage of this. IRGC accounts are already talking about this. Posted everywhere — definitely Hezbollah-affiliated accounts — and this is again another incident that is going to make a lot of very bad portraying of the IDF.
Tucker Carlson: Did you hear that? The problem with an IDF soldier smashing the face of Jesus is not that he smashed the face of Jesus. The problem is that he got caught on camera. And in fact, it turns out not only did the guy who did it get punished, but so did the guy who filmed it. Because exposing what the IDF does to the rest of the world is the real crime. And you just heard the news presenter say that this is already on Hezbollah-controlled accounts, that the IRGC is making a lot of this.
What you don't hear is any examination of why it happened in the first place. Why would an Israeli soldier want to do this? What does it reflect of the attitudes of the Israeli military and of Israel itself toward Christianity? That's never addressed. All that matters is how the rest of the world perceives it — and specifically, American evangelical Christians, who are the last bulwark of support for Israel in the last country on the globe that supports Israel with money, which would be the United States. So the problem, from the Israeli perspective, is not that it happened. The problem is that American evangelicals might find out about it.
CBN's Response and the Evangelical Media Framing
But thank heaven there is a major American evangelical news outlet completely devoted to the protection, support, and promotion of the state of Israel, and it's called CBN — Christian Broadcasting News. And here was their take on the smashing of the face of Jesus:
CBN Presenter: This is not a good look. Let's start there. I mean, it's disturbing, and it feeds into narratives that people have been creating around Israel that may not be accurate, right? And that's the problem. You have people saying things about Israel and the way that Israelis — and the government — is allegedly treating Christians and other religious groups. And then you see an image like that, and it's very easy to assume, "Oh look, all of those people who were spewing conspiracy theories or other ideas, they may be telling the truth." But what we have to be careful of — and I think we've seen this a lot in American culture, in cancel culture, we've seen it in countless examples of assuming, particularly actually when you look at police officers in this country — that one act is somehow emblematic of how every police officer acts. It's the same thing here. One act that one soldier does is somehow emblematic in people's minds of what every IDF soldier is doing. Well, there's no evidence that that is the case, right? So we have to be really careful, as Christians and as human beings — as human beings and then as Christians in particular — to not assume that there's a widespread problem simply because we're seeing one photo of it.
Tucker Carlson: Did you hear that? So that's the message to American evangelicals. Carefully crafted, no question. And the message is this: not only does this not tell you anything about attitudes in Israel toward Christians or Christianity, but assuming that it does makes you a liberal engaged in cancel culture. It's a lot like attacking white cops after the George Floyd hoax. It means you're part of the problem. And as Christians, we need to be very careful not to jump to conclusions.
You'll notice, however, that there's no effort to ask the most basic of all questions, which is: how did this happen? And what's going to happen to the guy who did it? If this happened in the United States or any other country, what would happen? If, for example, an American soldier broke into a synagogue in this or any other country and burned the sacred Torah scrolls, would people be getting up on TV and saying, "Let's not jump to conclusions here. It doesn't mean there's a problem. We don't have to ask why he did it. We're just going to let his commanding officer figure out some kind of punishment and it's fine. And by the way, you're engaging in cancel culture if you want to know more."
Well, of course, that would not be the reaction. If an American soldier broke into a synagogue and burned a Torah scroll, he would be severely punished — severely, and rightly punished. You can't desecrate other people's religious symbols. That is totally wrong. And people who do it should be punished. That would be the biggest story in the world, and the administration's anti-semitism task force would spend the next three years pushing Congress to pass new laws to protect terrified congregants from guys like that.
But in this case, Christians — whose messiah was mocked, whose statue of Jesus was just smashed with a sledgehammer they paid for — are told, "No, no, no. This means nothing, and you're a bad person if you think it does."
A Pattern of Incidents Against Christian Sites
And by the way, that was probably enough for a lot of CBN viewers. It's not a problem. Don't think about it. Thinking about it, asking questions about it — that's the crime. And so viewers of whatever that just was — propaganda like that — can be forgiven for believing that that was an isolated incident. But it's the opposite of an isolated incident. In fact, it's a very common occurrence where the Israeli military desecrates Christian religious symbols and churches and kills Christians. These are not accidents. This adds up to what the SPLC might call a troubling pattern, but it's in fact more than a troubling pattern. It's very close to a policy, and we know that because of indisputable facts of behavior in recent years.
So, for example, October 7th, 2023 — Hamas launches an attack on southern Israel, famously kills a bunch of civilians. It's bad. Everyone says it's bad. And almost immediately, the government of Israel moves in to level Gaza, from which these attacks came. Now, in Gaza is a small but long-standing Christian community that has lived there since Jesus. And they were killed too. Christian churches were bombed intentionally multiple times in Gaza. Christian parishioners were murdered by the IDF in Gaza. A mother and daughter were shot to death by an Israeli sniper in a churchyard in Gaza. And the reaction in the United States? Well, there wasn't any reaction in the United States. In every single case, Israel initially denied it happened. Then, when confronted with proof that it happened — because dead people are pretty easy to verify, because they're dead — said, "Oh, it was an accident. We'll look into it." Who was punished? Nobody. In no case was anybody punished for blowing up churches and murdering Christians in Gaza.
At one point, an Israeli tank fired an artillery shell into a cross on top of a Christian church in Gaza — as if it couldn't get clearer what the point of this was. The point was to take down the cross, because the cross is so offensive, apparently.
And that's the point at which Christians in the United States — again, who are paying for this, who are the last remaining large group of supporters of the Israeli military in the United States and critical to continued funding for the state of Israel — should have asked themselves: could these all be accidents? The country with the most sophisticated munitions on the planet is accidentally bombing churches, and not just once, but again and again. Do snipers really make mistakes like that? Shooting a mother and a daughter in a churchyard — could that have been a mistake? What's going on here?
And of course, if they'd asked — nobody did — and those who did were immediately denounced as terror supporters. But anyone who asked would have found the truth, which is that these are consistent with attitudes toward Christians in Israel. Not by all Israelis, of course. Not by every government minister in Israel, of course. But by a lot of them. The loathing of Christianity is absolutely real.
The Bulldozing of Christian Iconography in Lebanon
How do we know that? Well, here's one example. That was 2024 in Lebanon. Yes, that was an Israeli tank going out of its way — taking a break from hunting down Hezbollah — to bulldoze a Christian statue of St. George slaying the dragon in the country with the last remaining significant Christian population in the Middle East: Lebanon. A country with a Christian president. A historically Christian country. And so you roll into this country, and the first thing you do is knock down Christian iconography, crush a statue. What was the statue doing wrong? Existing.
How could this happen? Well, because for some Israelis — a significant number of Israelis — Christian iconography is considered deeply offensive. In fact, the most offensive. So offensive that in some Israeli religious schools, the plus sign is not used in math. The plus sign — you know, the one that denotes addition. Why? Because it looks like a cross, and that's considered too offensive for the eyes of school children. And so an inverted T is used instead. That's a fact. You can look it up. There's only one other instance we've seen of this in the world, and that's in ISIS-run madrasas, where the cross was also considered offensive. This is not true in any normal Muslim country. They use plus signs. But not in Israeli religious schools.
So everybody is allowed to have their own religious views and to find other people's symbols repugnant. But it might be useful for Christians in the United States to know what they are funding and making excuses for. But of course, they don't know this, because this information somehow hasn't reached them. And if they're watching CBN, they're told, "Don't pay attention. You must be liberal if you're drawing conclusions."
Soldiers Mocking Christian Rites Inside a Church
But that's not the only example. There are many examples of Israeli soldiers going out of their way to mock and desecrate Christian symbols and churches and to hurt individual Christians. And just keep in mind, within the context of the Middle East, Christians are non-aligned. You can't call a Christian an Islamist because they're not Islamic. They're Christians, and they follow a religion that does not endorse war — just the opposite. And so you would think that if you're the Israeli government, the last people you would ever want to bother or irritate are Christian Arabs, because they could potentially be on your side. And yet poll after poll of Christian Arabs shows the main threat that they perceive to themselves and their families is not the Arab Muslims who live next door to them, but the Israeli government and the settlers in the West Bank that the Israeli government protects.
Now, if anyone in the United States — say in a church, or if Franklin Graham or some other American Christian leader — were to just pick up the phone and call them and ask, "What are your problems? How can we help?" they would learn that, and they might be able to help. By the way, this is one of those problems that Americans could actually solve. There are lots of problems around the world and it's hard to know what to do about them. But if you're an American evangelical leader and there is persecution of Christians underway by the Israeli government, that's actually something that you can fix. How? By calling your congressman.
The only reason the United States on a bipartisan basis has sent billions and billions and billions of dollars to the Israeli government is because Christian Zionists support it — and not just their leaders, whatever is going on with them, but their congregants. Normal, nice people who have no idea what the truth is. And they support Israel because they believe God commanded them to, and they believe that Israel is on their side.
So if they were to speak up, if they were to gather information about what is actually happening in this place they call the Holy Land and then call their member of Congress and say, "I cannot support this. I am not going to stand by as you send my tax dollars to a government that persecutes Christians" — that might have an effect. Like an immediate effect. Call Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House. He's a Christian. He'll tell you. Call Mike Johnson. Ask Mike Johnson: how, why in the world would you ever appropriate money to a government that is murdering Christians? That might actually get us somewhere. That might actually relieve some of the harassment of Christians in Israel and the territories it controls.
And that harassment is real. There was a study last year by a Jewish Israeli group — which, God bless them, keeps track of assaults on Christians in Jerusalem. They found that in 2025 there were 61 physical assaults against Christians, mostly against Christian clergy, in Jerusalem. Physical assaults. It is so common for Christian priests to be spit on and roughed up, to have their churches urinated on or defaced by radical religious Israelis, that — ask any Christian clergyman who is in Jerusalem. Some of them are afraid to go outside. That is a fact that Christians should understand. They should ask themselves: where is this hate coming from? And why has it been hidden from us?
Here's another tape from southern Lebanon, also from 2024. These are Israeli soldiers inside a church mocking Christian rites, holding a kind of black mass. This is real.
That's inside a church. They not only did that — they filmed it and then posted it, because they were proud of it. Because no one told them not to be.
Try doing that in a synagogue. Don't do that in a synagogue. It would be completely immoral to do that in a synagogue, to desecrate someone else's sacred space. That is wrong. Christians believe that is wrong. But imagine what would happen to you if you did do that. How long would you be free? How long would it take before you were arrested? Before you were the most famous person on planet Earth? Not very long.
We don't know the names of any of those soldiers because no one was ever punished. Nobody cared — in this country or in Israel. The only people who cared were the Arab Christians whose church was desecrated by soldiers, and no one came to their rescue and no one came to their defense. Think about that for a minute.
The Case for American Christians to Reassess Their Support
American Christians need to reassess their support for Israel, and they need to do it on a number of different grounds. But the very first one is the most obvious one. Can you support a country that allows that kind of behavior? That has a lot of people who hate what you believe in and hate you for believing it? And that's demonstrable. And that has used your tax dollars to blow up Christian churches and shoot Christian clergy. A country in which Christian clergy are spit on as they walk outside.
And then once you start asking those questions, it becomes really obvious that all of this — leaving aside the theology — is it theologically tenable? Does it make sense from a Christian perspective that Christians would have this commandment from God himself to form a political alliance with a totally secular government of another religion? Does that make sense? That's the second-order conversation. But the first-order conversation is: how could you ever support a government that mocks your values as aggressively as the government of Israel does?
A government that provides free abortion on demand to the entire population using your tax dollars. Oh, they're not your tax dollars, right? The United States gives so much money to Israel that its basic needs are met, and so it can use the surplus on incredibly generous social programs we don't have here. And it can use some of it to provide abortion for anyone who wants one.
But it can also spend a great deal of money promoting a pride parade, which they are now doing. From a Christian perspective, pride is of course the first of the seven deadly sins. You're not allowed to have pride in Christianity. Again, it's number one on the sin list. But the government of Israel is promoting the largest pride event they claim in the history of the region this June, at the Dead Sea — the lowest point on Earth, very close, by the way, to Sodom and Gomorrah.
Weirdly, you wonder what Mike Huckabee, the Baptist preacher turned US ambassador to Israel, has to say about this. Nothing. You wonder what Mike Johnson, the Christian Speaker of the House, has to say about this. You can imagine that this event — whether you're for it or not — probably won't be consistent with Christian values or even Judeo-Christian values, whatever those are.
What do you think of that, Mike Huckabee? Is that consistent with your values? Are you going to go to the pride parade?
Look, countries are complicated. Not everything that happens in a country you're going to support, even if you love the country, of course. But the PR effort that evangelical leaders in the United States have made on behalf of Israel is so over the top, so totally uncompromising in its positive spin — everything about Israel is great, any criticism of Israel is immoral, it's anti-Christian, it's of course anti-semitic — that you have to wonder: is there anything, is there any humiliation, is there any middle finger that they wouldn't ignore? Is there any suffering of actual Christians in the region that they wouldn't downplay in order to continue telling a manufactured story about a country that bears no resemblance to their description of it at all?
Mark Levin Lectures Christians on the New Testament
A country of people — or some people anyway — who literally won't use the plus sign because it looks like a Christian cross. That is a pride parade in the middle of the Holy Land. They're totally fine with it. Apparently they're so used to humiliation, American evangelical leaders, that they will even sit by and cheer as Mark Levin lectures them on the New Testament.
Imagine sitting down with Mark Levin and saying, "The one thing you don't understand, Mark Levin, is the Talmud. So be quiet as I tell you what your religion teaches." Well, of course not. No one could be that presumptuous. Except Mark Levin, who is entirely comfortable using his platform on Fox News to lecture Christians about what the Christian Bible teaches about violence. And not only does he get it wrong, he grotesquely inverts it. Here he is, with no trace of shame whatsoever, lecturing Christians about why their God supports the war in Iran:
Mark Levin: War isn't outlawed under certain circumstances. Peace is preferred. Love is preferred. Conciliation is preferred. Negotiation is preferred. Diplomacy is definitely preferred. But there's evil. The Bible recognizes it. We recognize it. But there's also this. Revelation 19:11–21 describes the second coming, the ultimate war. As has been written, as others have written, Jesus judges and makes war — quote — "with justice." It's going to be bloody. I'm quoting. The birds will eat the flesh of all those who oppose him. He will conquer completely and consign to a — quote — "fiery lake of burning sulfur."
Tucker Carlson: There's Mark Levin telling you what Christianity is really about on Fox News. You have to wonder, do Fox executives know this is happening? But that takes some brass to say something like that. And of course, he's gotten it exactly wrong. He's describing the last book of the New Testament — a prophecy by St. John in which he describes the end of history, the return of Jesus to earth to judge the living and the dead. So in Christianity, it is God who makes that judgment. It is God who punishes the wicked.
Love and compassion and reconciliation are not "preferred," as Mark Levin describes. They are mandatory. They are required. Every Christian must love. Reconciliation is a requirement of the religion, not something that you're encouraged to do if you can spare the time. You have to do it. So only God can judge. And Jesus is really clear about that. But there's Mark Levin telling you that Jesus himself wants you to support tearing the eyes out of your enemies, bringing justice through violence. It's disgusting. And yet there's not a single evangelical leader in the United States who has the bravery required to challenge Mark Levin as he desecrates the religion itself.
The Importance of Listening to Christians Under Occupation
One thing that might help, once again, is speaking to Christians who live under Israeli occupation — who actually live there, who live in East Jerusalem, who live in Gaza, who live in the West Bank, who live in Lebanon, and who live in Syria. And one thing we know about Israeli occupation: it does not improve the lives of the occupied. And that is one way to judge the decency of any person or any empire. If a father is a good father, his kids are probably happy and well cared for. If he's not, they're very screwed up. If an empire is a benevolent empire, its protectorates thrive. And if it's not, they wither. There is no place occupied by Israel currently that is thriving — and that would include the United States, not thriving. This is just an obvious observation.
But it is incumbent on American Christian leaders to speak directly to their brothers and sisters in Christ who live under that occupation and to get their perspective. It is not enough to take an all-expenses-paid vacation to Israel and spend three days in a conference center with pre-selected speakers — selected by the government, by Israeli officials and IDF officials — and get your little helicopter tour of the Negev desert and all the rest, and then fly back to the United States and spew another government's propaganda to your parishioners. That is not enough. You've got to take a minute to talk to Christians who were born there and still live there and ask them the obvious question: "How are you doing?"
And one of the things you will find if you do that is that they're not doing well at all. And they've been leaving. They've been leaving ever since 1948, since the creation of Israel, when many thousands of them were expelled by the Israelis from their own homes. Those homes were taken. They were bulldozed or stolen. A lot of them moved to the United States, and their descendants are still here. And they can tell you, if you would ask, how they were treated by the Israeli government. Not well. And if you ask Christians who live there now, they will tell you not only that they're not well treated, but that their religion is uniquely despised by the Israeli government. Uniquely. There's something about Christianity that's especially offensive to some Israeli cabinet ministers.
Here is one Arab Christian from right around Bethlehem, where Jesus was born. The Church of the Nativity is one of the holiest churches in Christendom, falling apart thanks to the military occupation of Israel. But here's her description of the attitude of the Israeli government toward her and other Christians:
Alice Kisiya: What the settlers did — you know, they hate the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ. They have broken the statue of the Virgin Mary that we had with Jesus when they came in, and we didn't have time to take it out. They have broken it. And they literally hate Christians more than anything else in the world.
Tucker Carlson: That woman's name is Alice Kisiya. She is a lifelong resident of the West Bank, again right outside Bethlehem, and has been engaged for two decades in a struggle to keep her family's farm and their restaurant. Her house was bulldozed. The restaurant was closed by the Israeli government. She's from there. They own the land. But they have been fighting a non-stop battle against the government of Israel — as many Christians have been in the West Bank — to keep what is theirs and to prevent being arrested or shot. She has been hassled on a regular basis, including physically, by Israeli settlers.
Here's a picture of one encounter she had. That's an Israeli settler on the left grabbing her. These are people from — in many cases — outside the region, from the United States or Ukraine, she told us, who showed up and decided that the land of Christians belongs to them.
Now, we spoke to her at some length. We're about to play you this interview. But probably the most striking thing that she told us — when we asked, "Well, what have American church leaders done to help you? What has Franklin Graham done to help you? People who raise hundreds of millions of dollars every single year to help Christians and to make the world more Christian — what have they done to help you?" — she said, "Well, they've abetted it. They've worked to accelerate the ethnic cleansing of this area. They've come in and offered to help us move, on behalf of the Israeli government, to get the Arabs out." People who were born there — the indigenous population of the area, the Christians — Christian leaders in the United States have said, "The solution to your problem is leave. We'll help you get a visa." The shame in that. That is a true moral crime.
Interview with Alice Kisiya — West Bank Christian and Land Rights Activist
Tucker Carlson: Alice, thank you very much for doing this. I think a lot of Americans, and particularly American Christians, were shocked to see the image of an IDF soldier smashing the face of Jesus with a sledgehammer. I don't think they knew that that could happen. I don't think they understand why it happened. Were you surprised by it?
Alice Kisiya: Actually, first of all, thank you for having me. It's a privilege. And second — no. Because these settlers have been vandalizing our Christian symbols multiple times. They have been spitting on our priests and writing bad words on the churches. So I'm not surprised. And this is not the first time.
Tucker Carlson: Why do you think they're targeting churches and priests and Christian villages?
Alice Kisiya: They don't like Christians. They hate us. It's all propaganda, because the population of the United States is mostly Christian and they want their side. So if US Christians know how the Christians — the indigenous Christians from Jesus's bloodline — how they live here, they would change their mind.
Tucker Carlson: It's a little bit surprising, because in the United States we're told that the enemies of the state of Israel are Muslims, and that Israelis — including the IDF and settlers — are allies with the Christians, have a lot in common with the Christians, and this is really a war against radical Islam, Islamists, jihadis. But you're saying that they hate Christians. Why do you think that is? And how do you know that?
Alice Kisiya: Because in our land — I don't know if you're familiar with the Makur story — they invaded our land in 2024, which is after more than 15 years of struggling with the civil administration and with the settlers and with settler companies trying to take over our land and demolishing our properties there. They took advantage of the war after the 7th of October and they invaded the land. And they have broken the statue of the Virgin Mary. They have also broken the icon, the picture of the Virgin Mary. They have vandalized the cross. I have videos on my Instagram, on my social media. People can see that. I have been recording everything that they are doing.
But they are doing this propaganda in order to raise Islamophobia in the western countries, in order to take over the Palestinian lands and to annex the West Bank in the name of Islamophobia. But as a Christian who was born in Palestine, in Bethlehem, my neighbors, my cousins are Muslims. So I don't see that there is really a problem with Islam. It's the extremist people that are the problem. In each religion we have those extremist people. We cannot refer to some religion as extreme because of their extremist people. But I think it's all about annexing the West Bank.
Tucker Carlson: It's just interesting, though — destroying images of Jesus or the Virgin Mary, that's not protection from terrorism. Why would a soldier or a settler destroy an image of Jesus or Mary? I don't understand.
Alice Kisiya: I have it here. I can show you also.
Tucker Carlson: Please do.
Alice Kisiya: The picture. I also posted this previously on my social media. This is the picture that they tried to cut off and to break when they entered our land. They hate Christians because they know that Christianity is — we are very peaceful. We fight in a different way. And especially Christians in Bethlehem and in the West Bank, we are less than 1%. And the amount of land that Christians have is the second largest after Israel. So they want Christians to immigrate from the West Bank, from Palestine, in order to take over those lands.
Tucker Carlson: That's shocking. Have churches in the United States, or Christian leaders, or American officials — are they aware of this? And have they done anything to help you?
Alice Kisiya: Actually, it's not only about helping me. It's about helping Christianity, or what's left of Christianity in Bethlehem, because we are less than 1%. And at least 200 families have immigrated since the 7th of October, which is a big number for less than 1%. So they are trying so hard to convince Christians to leave the country — somehow through Christian Zionist organizations or people — and give them support to travel, to offer them job opportunities. And this is a way of ethnic cleansing. A systematic ethnic cleansing. So it's not surprising. There are some people, some priests, some religious people who have talked about this, but we didn't really see the actions.
Tucker Carlson: You mentioned Christian Zionists. What have they done to help?
Alice Kisiya: Nothing. They are Zionists. They only offer, like, traveling to Spain, to Europe, to the US, to get better job opportunities, a better life — in a way that suggests life in Bethlehem or in the West Bank is not really stable. So they offer them to travel. This is a systematic way for ethnic cleansing of Christians. And this is all because settler organizations, extremist settler organizations, are trying to take over the Orthodox Christian lands.
Tucker Carlson: So you think that Christian Zionists in the United States are helping to ethnically cleanse the West Bank? They're trying to get Christians out?
Alice Kisiya: Yes. They are helping them with their funds, with their taxpayers' money, with their support. We are being ethnically cleansed because of them, and they are not really aware that they are erasing the history of the cradle of Jesus Christ. Because in our case, in Makur — one of the settlers told me, "After we take over Makur, which is one of the last Christian villages, we will come to Bethlehem and we will take over everything, because Bethlehem is for us as Jews."
Tucker Carlson: It's also shocking. You said 200 Christian families have left Bethlehem since October 7th. Why have they left?
Alice Kisiya: Because of the instability, because of the economics, because of the war, the occupation, the annexation of the West Bank, settlers' violence, the open-air prison that we live in. We don't have freedom of movement. Between each village and city, we have gates. We cannot move freely even within the West Bank.
Tucker Carlson: Let's just start at the beginning. Where were you born?
Alice Kisiya: I was born in Jerusalem, but it was in what they call Judea and Samaria. I have an Israeli citizenship. So I'm Palestinian with an Israeli citizenship. I'm also French. And that's why I managed to fight them. If I was Palestinian with a Palestinian ID, I couldn't do that. But because I have an Israeli citizenship, I have the same rights as these settlers. Though I was treated with discrimination — my family and I — we had a very powerful will to fight back. We stayed, and we managed to kick them out in the end.
Alice Kisiya Describes the Makur Land Battle
Tucker Carlson: So you said if you hadn't been born in Jerusalem and didn't have French citizenship, you wouldn't be able to speak out against the settlers. Why is that?
Alice Kisiya: Because Palestinians can be easily detained for years for nothing, and they may not even get a trial or a court date — it's just postponed every time. They can stay three, four years detained.
Tucker Carlson: Do you know people who've been detained?
Alice Kisiya: Yes, of course. There is also Layan Nasir. She's a Christian Palestinian from Ramla. She's now in jail. She was detained many times for nothing.
Tucker Carlson: Was she accused of violence?
Alice Kisiya: Somehow they say yes — violence of — I don't know, they claim whatever they want. Every time they postpone and they change the dates. She went out and they took her again. So I think they can do whatever they want with Palestinians. And my father is Palestinian. He had permission to work in Jerusalem. And after the incidents in Makur, they stopped his permission because they wanted to cut off the sources of income for the family — for us not to be able to pay for the courts, or even if I got jailed. Because I was arrested multiple times for nothing also, because I was defending my land. Even when I was calling the police to come to protect me from settlers, they were arresting me. So you can never guess.
Tucker Carlson: Tell us what happened to your land. Where is it and what happened?
Alice Kisiya: Okay. So El Makur is in Area C. Area C — you know, we have A, B, C. A is fully with the Palestinians. B is with the Palestinians but also — anyway, all of them, the Israelis can enter. C is Palestinian territory but under the Israeli army. So El Makur is Area C. It's near Beit Jala, Bethlehem governorate. It's all Palestinian-owned properties.
They started demolition from 2012. We had the restaurant and the house there, and they demolished it four times. Each time we rebuilt it. And the first time they demolished the house — even though the house was in the registration process with the civil administration, which is the institution that controls the 1967 areas under the Israeli government — they demolished it and we stayed in tents for five years on that land in order to protect it and not let the settlers take it.
But after the 7th of October, they invaded the land along with the police and the army — young settlers. I'm talking about also minors, protected by the army. They announced it as a closed military zone. And this closed military zone is not even for our area — it's for another area. But this is how it works. They use another military zone and they attach it to your map, to your area, and they just tell you, "This is a closed military zone. You should leave." And they keep the settlers inside. This is what happened.
We stayed there. We set up a solidarity tent for 40 days in the area and we invited international activists, Israeli Jews, Palestinians, foreigners, religious people, so we could fight back through nonviolent resistance. We had women-led circles. We had interfaith events to prove that even in the hardest times, in the war, we the people can live together — Arabs and Jews. And after a long battle — we went to the courts, me and my brother, without a lawyer, because I will tell you now how they use the lawyers to manipulate those cases and steal those lands — we managed to kick them out.
So how it works: Smotrich is funding those settler organizations. There is a guy also called Ohalal. He's always welcoming people to the US. Ohalal sent his cousins, Leor Tal, to our land to take it over, along with Smotrich and the head of the settlements, Yaron Rosenthal. It's a big web of corrupted people.
They use companies — private companies — such as Himanuta. Himanuta is the subsidiary of the Jewish National Fund. It works in the 1967 areas because the Jewish National Fund cannot act in the 1967 areas. So they established small private companies to work and to steal lands in the 1967 areas, in Palestine.
How it works: Himanuta is a company that was founded in the UK in 1938. It was registered in Jerusalem and it works in Jerusalem, but it cannot work in the 1967 areas because according to Jordanian Law Number 40 — which they were trying to pass in the Knesset and they did pass it a few weeks ago, though it's not going to work anyway — they are trying to steal those lands by erasing this law. This law forbids selling or buying lands by non-Arabs. So they made a legislative process in 1971 through the Israeli army to allow private companies — foreigners or Israeli companies — to do development projects on those lands or to purchase those lands for commercial purposes only.
So those companies, in order to act in the 1967 areas, have to be officially registered by the civil administration. We got the list of companies that are allowed to do development projects in the 1967 areas, and this company is not even registered. It's a fake company. They forge documents.
How it works: for example, here I have a taxpaying document from the civil administration in 2014 in the name of my father. In order to get the land registry document, you need to pay this tax for the land. And they claim — Himanuta, the private company — claimed that they bought this land in 1969. So after 1967, when the Jordanians left and the Israelis came and took over the 1967 areas, there is an archive that the Jordanians gave a copy of to the Israelis, and this archive has all the agreements about the lands that were done in the 1967 areas at that time.
After 1967 until 1980, no agreements were done, because the archive itself says from 1948 until 1980. So in 1981 they established the civil administration, and according to this they started to change the laws in the 1967 areas in order to try to get Israelis to buy and sell Palestinian lands through private companies.
And what they did is that they went to the archive related to our area in Bethlehem. There are 44 agreements that were officially registered in this archive — out of 200 pages, they registered 44 pages, and 156 pages are empty. So what this company was trying to do is fill those 156 empty pages with their own agreements, as if they were in the archive. So when we went to the archive according to their claims, we found it empty. This is the empty pages — because they said the agreement was done here on this page, and it's empty. So it's all forged documents in order to steal more and more Palestinian, and especially Christian, lands, because we have the largest amount of lands after Israel.
Tucker Carlson: May I ask — is that why they tore your house down?
Alice Kisiya: Yeah. It's a way of pushing us to leave. Displacement of Christians, of families. It's a way to force us out. They have many ways to force us to leave. They tried to spread rumors that we sold the land, so the community around us would hate us and would not stand with us if they entered and took over the land. Second, they used the lawyers — the lawyers that we hired. They bribe them, they threaten them, and they do deal exchanges with them in order to get the case to go the way that they want. And this is why we didn't use any lawyer the last time, because we know they can manipulate all the lawyers according to their own interests.
They also went to our neighbors — Palestinian neighbors — and convinced them that if you want to get your land registration, you have to come and sign a new map where you sign that your neighbor is not my father, but the Himanuta company, the Israeli extremist settler company. So they have multiple ways of pushing you out — even if you work in Jerusalem or somewhere, they send people to force you to leave your job, to make you unable to pay for your own lawyers, for your daily life. They attack physically, mentally, psychologically, economically — everything. It's not easy. Fifteen years of struggle since I was very young. I wasn't really aware of all of this until I grew up and stood in the face of settlers' violence and land theft.
Alice Kisiya on Mike Huckabee, American Churches, and Smotrich
Tucker Carlson: What about the United States ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee? He's a Christian. He's been to Bethlehem. He talks often about Christianity. Has he done anything to help you?
Alice Kisiya: Actually, Mike Huckabee was at Christmas at the Nativity Church, and I was sitting really next to him. But he couldn't even hear the patriarch talking about peace or love or even the war that was in Gaza. He couldn't stand it, and I saw this in his face. So he doesn't really care for Christians.
Tucker Carlson: Are there any churches in the United States who've helped you?
Alice Kisiya: I had many visitors from churches, yes — from the United States, from the UK, and from around the world. But I don't remember the names. Some people just come to visit, but it's really hard to act. We saw how the Israeli government is doing things, and it's really hard to act. No one can stop them. Even Netanyahu cannot stop Smotrich from enabling settler violence.
Tucker Carlson: Do you believe Smotrich is hostile to Christianity, dislikes Christianity?
Alice Kisiya: Of course he does. He doesn't like Christians. He's so racist. He sends his settlers — let me tell you something. He doesn't even like his own Jewish youth, because he's sending minors to mountains without electricity, without water, just to take over those lands for his own profit. He uses minors for attacking Palestinians, and the first victims of this are their own Jewish youth — those kids have psychological problems. They come from orphans and welfare situations, and he uses them for his own political goals.
And that's why I call it the "project land," not the "promised land," because at the end, someone like Yaron Rosenthal, the head of the settlements — on every settlement he confirms, he gets hundreds of thousands of dollars to his pocket. So at the end he doesn't really care about Jews or Christians or Muslims. It's all about projects and money. He's building projects on Palestinian lands and promoting them to Jews around the world for millions and millions of dollars. At the end, they don't really care for their own kids, because they will send them each time to different places to take over those lands and let Jews from around the world come and buy those apartments or places. So he doesn't really care for his own kids, and he doesn't care for Christianity. There are no actions taken against those settlers. It's just crazy.
Tucker Carlson: I hope you come one day — I hope so too. I don't know if I'd be allowed to. How often do you see settlers?
Alice Kisiya: Every day.
Tucker Carlson: How close do they live to you?
Alice Kisiya: It's the same area. After we fought them and kicked them out of Makur — thank God we succeeded — they are settled about four kilometers away from us, in caravans. So we see them daily. They also stole my dog. They ruined my place. They —
Tucker Carlson: I'm sorry. What did you just say? They did what to your dog?
Alice Kisiya: They stole it, and I think maybe they killed him. I'm not sure. But I didn't see him anymore. I also went to the police and filed a complaint. But after three days they sent me a notice saying my case was closed because of lack of evidence — and we have videos.
Tucker Carlson: What does the video show?
Alice Kisiya: When they were getting into the land through the gate and taking the dogs. We have many, many videos about them attacking, but the police have never done anything to stop them.
Tucker Carlson: What? They stole your dog. They choked you and your mother. Do they ever explain why they're doing this? Did you do anything to them?
Alice Kisiya: Because I'm fighting back for my own rights. And they hate me because I never left the land. Every time they were on my land, I was coming with a group of activists, opening the gate and staying in the land until the police and army came and kicked us out — every time, for 40 days. I was annoying them. I made them go crazy. I exposed their forgery, and that's why they are crazy about it.
Tucker Carlson: Do you worry they might try to kill you?
Alice Kisiya: No. Because they are too weak, too cowardly to do that. When I was confronting settlers and army, I knew from inside that they are too weak to do anything wrong to me. I'm stronger because I follow Jesus's teachings. I embody Jesus, and I would never be afraid of them. I don't let this fear control me. That's why I'm stronger than them. Even when I was in jail, I was even stronger than them.
Tucker Carlson: Do you plan to stay in the West Bank?
Alice Kisiya: Of course. I am planning — I have established my organization, Save Makur, which will help more Palestinians to defend their lands and to take back their lands against settler land theft and violence, and to protect them, and also to do community development projects in order to prevent Palestinians from immigrating. We want the Palestinians here, because I believe in the two-state solution, and it's on the way. Even people cannot see that, but I see it. There will be a two-state solution, and the settlers will not like it. They will go crazy.
Tucker Carlson: Where are the settlers from?
Alice Kisiya: The United States, Ukraine, Eastern Europe, Europe — multiple places. But I'm talking about the settler youth. They gather them also from around the world, from foster care. Most of the settlers — the youth — they don't have parents or they have problems with their families. So they take them and offer them agricultural school, which is on other Palestinian land. And in this agricultural school, they teach them how to hate Arabs, how to be violent towards Arabs, how to treat Palestinians. This is how they brainwash them — through those agricultural schools. Those kids have to volunteer hours in order to get paid each month.
Tucker Carlson: You're describing what we used to call a madrasa. We would say that Islamic religious extremist jihadis were trained in madrasas as children and were taught to hate people who weren't like them and taught violence. You're basically describing that.
Alice Kisiya: It's the same idea. Terrorism has no religion. When you teach kids to hate human beings — no matter who they are, no matter what differences there are between you and them — this is terrorism. And Smotrich is responsible for this terrorism. And we have been terrorized a lot as a Christian family for many years, for 15 years, without any actions taken against them.
Tucker Carlson: There's never been a settler punished for attacking you?
Alice Kisiya: No. No.
Tucker Carlson: Can you drive on their roads?
Alice Kisiya: Yes, because I have an Israeli citizenship.
Tucker Carlson: Can your neighbors drive on their roads?
Alice Kisiya: No. My father can't.
Tucker Carlson: Amazing. I sure appreciate you taking all this time to talk to us, Alice, and I hope that you will get support from Christians in the United States, because you deserve it.
Alice Kisiya: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Carlson. I just want to point out that we have also been working with American organizations like the DPP — the Vulnerable People Project — Save West Bank Christians, Gaza, and others. We're working together in order to help vulnerable people and minorities around the world.
Tucker Carlson: Godspeed. Thanks.
Alice Kisiya: Thank you.